[News] Late For Work 4/26: One Question For Five Potential Defensive Draft Picks

[NorthDakotaRaven]

I hope brady fights this agian then gets suspended at the end of year.

[harfordravenfan]

25 minutes ago, Tower of Power said:

By the way, I don't think it's fair that nonresidents cannot vote: for instance, you have a bunch of Marylanders who think that Flacco is not elite, and another weird bunch who say that they root for the redskins - and THOSE could vote!!!

Agree with ya there. A fan is a fan regardless of where they live

[harfordravenfan]

26 minutes ago, NorthDakotaRaven said:

I hope brady fights this agian then gets suspended at the end of year.

That would be hilarious 

[fusuymada]

I still think the way the draft order is awarded is nuts. The Jaguars beat us but because of strength of schedule they pick in front of us. I think that is fine in instances where there is not a head to head game and they both were 5-11, but when they are both 5-11 and one team loses to the other, then clearly the losing team should pick before the winning team. If there is no head to head then rely on strength of schedule but strength of schedule should never overrule a head to head meeting. That is common sense, something the NFL seems to lack any of. The difference between Ramsey and Stanley is one stupid decision by the NFL to toss out head to head competition in favor of strength of schedule. Someone needs to be jumping up and down and screaming to change this. Now if it was for the playoffs, head to head would overrule strength of schedule, but for some stupid reason, the draft order doesn't follow the same rules as the playoff order. How about one way to determine all of these things which is head to head competitions first and strength of schedule disposed of.

[SUGGStobeDUMED]

I still think the way the draft order is awarded is nuts. The Jaguars beat us but because of strength of schedule they pick in front of us. I think that is fine in instances where there is not a head to head game and they both were 5-11, but when they are both 5-11 and one team loses to the other, then clearly the losing team should pick before the winning team. If there is no head to head then rely on strength of schedule but strength of schedule should never overrule a head to head meeting. That is common sense, something the NFL seems to lack any of. The difference between Ramsey and Stanley is one stupid decision by the NFL to toss out head to head competition in favor of strength of schedule. Someone needs to be jumping up and down and screaming to change this. Now if it was for the playoffs, head to head would overrule strength of schedule, but for some stupid reason, the draft order doesn't follow the same rules as the playoff order. How about one way to determine all of these things which is head to head competitions first and strength of schedule disposed of.

To be fair....the Ravens beat the Jaguars.

[thecommish]

  46 minutes ago, Tower of Power said:

By the way, I don't think it's fair that nonresidents cannot vote: for instance, you have a bunch of Marylanders who think that Flacco is not elite, and another weird bunch who say that they root for the redskins - and THOSE could vote!!!

Agree with ya there. A fan is a fan regardless of where they live

AGREED!

[bioLarzen]

Tony Romo seems to get an awfully lot of love and recognition for a QB who, in 12 seasons, "amassed" 7 playoff games and 2 wins...

[bioLarzen]

I hope brady fights this agian then gets suspended at the end of year.

I don't want to give the pats-fans excuses... I want the Pats to go down with Brady under center, so they won't even be able to say they lost because Brady wasn't on the field ;)

[CaliRavenFan]

If Tunsil is there for us at 6 I can see us trading back to #15 with the Titans. Titans have the extra two 2nd rounders they can give us this year from the Rams trade and We won't be falling too far down in the draft. If Myles Jack is still available like I'm hoping then he has to be our pick. He will be able to play both inside and outside linebacker and dominate at both positions. That means the Chargers would have to take Tunsil, Cowboys take Elliot, Jags take Ramsey and that leaves Myles Jack for us. He is by far the best player in the draft.

[rmcjacket23]

33 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I still think the way the draft order is awarded is nuts. The Jaguars beat us but because of strength of schedule they pick in front of us. I think that is fine in instances where there is not a head to head game and they both were 5-11, but when they are both 5-11 and one team loses to the other, then clearly the losing team should pick before the winning team. If there is no head to head then rely on strength of schedule but strength of schedule should never overrule a head to head meeting. That is common sense, something the NFL seems to lack any of. The difference between Ramsey and Stanley is one stupid decision by the NFL to toss out head to head competition in favor of strength of schedule. Someone needs to be jumping up and down and screaming to change this. Now if it was for the playoffs, head to head would overrule strength of schedule, but for some stupid reason, the draft order doesn't follow the same rules as the playoff order. How about one way to determine all of these things which is head to head competitions first and strength of schedule disposed of.

1. Its a 3 team tiebreaker, not a 2 team tiebreaker. The 49ers also have the same record. 

You can't use H2H in a 3 team tiebreaker.

2. The draft order also rotates round by round. In case you didn't notice, we pick ahead of Jacksonville and SF in round 2. 

[harfordravenfan]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Its a 3 team tiebreaker, not a 2 team tiebreaker. The 49ers also have the same record. 

You can't use H2H in a 3 team tiebreaker.

2. The draft order also rotates round by round. In case you didn't notice, we pick ahead of Jacksonville and SF in round 2. 

Good info, I didn't even notice that it rotated... Does that mean our 3rd is behind SF and Jacksonville?

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Good info, I didn't even notice that it rotated... Does that mean our 3rd is behind SF and Jacksonville?

Yup.

[hen826957]

51 minutes ago, CaliRavenFan said:

If Tunsil is there for us at 6 I can see us trading back to #15 with the Titans. Titans have the extra two 2nd rounders they can give us this year from the Rams trade and We won't be falling too far down in the draft. If Myles Jack is still available like I'm hoping then he has to be our pick. He will be able to play both inside and outside linebacker and dominate at both positions. That means the Chargers would have to take Tunsil, Cowboys take Elliot, Jags take Ramsey and that leaves Myles Jack for us. He is by far the best player in the draft.

Trading back #15 is a little too far. Myles Jack won't make it to #15 anyway then we cant even get those star players. Those prospects will all be gone by then. It's too risky to move that far. The only way l would trade that far is that the team is willing to trade thier 1st round pick in next year draft which means two first round picks next year but other than that stay put, trade up, or stay in the top 10.

Edited April 26, 2016 by hen826957

[WNC-Raven]

Tony Romo seems to get an awfully lot of love and recognition for a QB who, in 12 seasons, "amassed" 7 playoff games and 2 wins...

They are the most valuable team in the NFL being "America's team" and all. All I know is the few years we have missed the playoffs recently makes the whole season feel worthless. I can't imagine being a fan of one of the many teams where that is the norm. The media can slam Flacco all they want, I love being a Ravens fan!

[eze17]

If Tunsil is there for us at 6 I can see us trading back to #15 with the Titans. Titans have the extra two 2nd rounders they can give us this year from the Rams trade and We won't be falling too far down in the draft. If Myles Jack is still available like I'm hoping then he has to be our pick. He will be able to play both inside and outside linebacker and dominate at both positions. That means the Chargers would have to take Tunsil, Cowboys take Elliot, Jags take Ramsey and that leaves Myles Jack for us. He is by far the best player in the draft.

This would be a really hard decision...you would still be getting a good player at #15, and if we could get two extra 2nd rounders...not as sexy as picking #6, but I wonder if the FO would pull the trigger or try to get a little more from Tenn? That is, if Tenn. would even offer us two 2nd round picks...

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  1 hour ago, CaliRavenFan said:

If Tunsil is there for us at 6 I can see us trading back to #15 with the Titans. Titans have the extra two 2nd rounders they can give us this year from the Rams trade and We won't be falling too far down in the draft. If Myles Jack is still available like I'm hoping then he has to be our pick. He will be able to play both inside and outside linebacker and dominate at both positions. That means the Chargers would have to take Tunsil, Cowboys take Elliot, Jags take Ramsey and that leaves Myles Jack for us. He is by far the best player in the draft.

Trading back #15 is a little too far. Myles Jack won't make it to #15 anyway then we cant even get those star players. Those prospects will all be gone by then. It's too risky to move that far. The only way l would trade that far is that the team is willing to trade thier 1st round pick in next year draft which means two first round picks next year but other than that stay put, trade up, or stay in the top 10.

Given all the teams use the same draft slot pick value chart, a first from next year would be mandatory to make a any type of respectable offer plus a couple 2nd rounders and change or however you spread the rest out.

IF they were to trade back you can bet they would be doing it to get a cluster of picks in the 2nd through 4th rounds this year. #15 would be difficult, almost the point of drafting a solid starting CB like William Jackson III maybe a bit early, or possibly late to get a stud pass rusher like Lawson but he could still be there. IMHO I'd take Lawson over Dodd, I love his rip and spin moves. The guy is a straight baller. Let Suggs and Dumervil show him a few more moves and he could be DPOY. At the very least trading back would mean the defense is getting loaded up with new blood.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

Tony Romo seems to get an awfully lot of love and recognition for a QB who, in 12 seasons, "amassed" 7 playoff games and 2 wins...

Well, realistically, he is pretty underrated. He's not the only guy on that team, so the ability for his team to make the playoffs or win playoff games is shared by his teammates as well.

When he's on the field (which injuries is another knock on him), he's actually really good. Pretty much top 10, bordering on top 5, level good, and that really includes the playoffs as well.

Plus, he's pretty much a gigantic reason why a team that had a really good 2014 season fell off the Earth last season. Pretty much same team... just health of the QB was different.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  2 hours ago, NorthDakotaRaven said:

I hope brady fights this agian then gets suspended at the end of year.

I don't want to give the pats-fans excuses... I want the Pats to go down with Brady under center, so they won't even be able to say they lost because Brady wasn't on the field ;)

Agreed. The best victory is overcoming your opponent at their best.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Given all the teams use the same draft slot pick value chart, a first from next year would be mandatory to make a any type of respectable offer plus a couple 2nd rounders and change or however you spread the rest out.

IF they were to trade back you can bet they would be doing it to get a cluster of picks in the 2nd through 4th rounds this year. #15 would be difficult, almost the point of drafting a solid starting CB like William Jackson III maybe a bit early, or possibly late to get a stud pass rusher like Lawson but he could still be there. IMHO I'd take Lawson over Dodd, I love his rip and spin moves. The guy is a straight baller. Let Suggs and Dumervil show him a few more moves and he could be DPOY. At the very least trading back would mean the defense is getting loaded up with new blood.

Umm... what?

Even using the draft trade chart (which I'm personally not a fan of, because there's a ton of deviations from it and its all based on the strength of the draft class), to move up from 15 to 6 would cost 550 points, which is the equivalent of an early 2nd round pick only.

If it was the 15th pick, basically we'd ask for a current year 2nd and probably a 4th. We may get a 3rd if we threw in a late rounder.

I highly doubt anybody would offer us a future first rounder to move up from the mid-teens to #6. We could ask for that from a team moving from the the back end of the first round, but not from a team picking at #15.

[Raven'evermore]

 I'm hearing that Buckner might not be that good at pass rush.  If that's the case, then why not trade down and get A.W Robinson and pick up another 2nd or 3rd?  Not my first choice, but Robinson may be as good as Buckner if we're talking about just stopping the run.  Read once that he's built like a vending machine.  Would you run into a vending machine?  No, of course not.   Smart people don't run into vending machines.   

[law215]

I don't think the Ravens should even consider trading back at this point. They should trust their board. There are no guarantees in any draft. If either Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey, or Tunsil are not good enough at the number 6 pick, then what does they say about the guys behind them. The strength of the is based on the guys in the draft and those are consensus top talents. Last thing the Ravens need, with all of their defensive needs and older players , is to trade back and get a guy that 10-14 teams passed on. Stay and get one of the best rated players in the draft. Where ar ethe Ravens so talneted that they should pass on a top 6 player?

[eze17]

Excluding Tunsil, my defensive picks would be Ramsey 1st, Bosa 2nd, then Hargreaves. I'm pretty sure Ramsey will be gone. There may be uncertainty about which position he would play, but the guys a rare physical specimen. I'm still pretty high on Bosa, as we already play a kinda modified 3-4 anyways. Trust me, we'd find a way to utilize his skills. I really like Hargreaves. The fact that Mel Kiper does not consider him "elite" is just his opinion, not any kind of fact. He may be a bit of a stretch at #6 admittedly, which is why my board would be Ramsey, then Tunsil, then Bosa. I'm hopeful one of them would still be available.

[Maryland]

Lol @ SSS's tweet about being better than Romo. Tell it like it is Steve

[surfdude]

Prediction time on the message board. I predict the Ravens trade down and select either Spence or Lawson.

[harfordravenfan]

11 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Lol @ SSS's tweet about being better than Romo. Tell it like it is Steve

Man, I wished we had SSS from the start. Fire on the field and often funny off the field

[bioLarzen]

I don't think the Ravens should even consider trading back at this point. They should trust their board. There are no guarantees in any draft. If either Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey, or Tunsil are not good enough at the number 6 pick, then what does they say about the guys behind them. The strength of the is based on the guys in the draft and those are consensus top talents. Last thing the Ravens need, with all of their defensive needs and older players , is to trade back and get a guy that 10-14 teams passed on. Stay and get one of the best rated players in the draft. Where ar ethe Ravens so talneted that they should pass on a top 6 player?

Excluding trading down right away would be a mistake.

[bioLarzen]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Tony Romo seems to get an awfully lot of love and recognition for a QB who, in 12 seasons, "amassed" 7 playoff games and 2 wins...

Well, realistically, he is pretty underrated. He's not the only guy on that team, so the ability for his team to make the playoffs or win playoff games is shared by his teammates as well.

When he's on the field (which injuries is another knock on him), he's actually really good. Pretty much top 10, bordering on top 5, level good, and that really includes the playoffs as well.

Plus, he's pretty much a gigantic reason why a team that had a really good 2014 season fell off the Earth last season. Pretty much same team... just health of the QB was different.

I'm not saying he's not a good QB - but he§'s treated like he's right there at the top shelf, and it's only the team that hinders them... C'mon, we all know it ain't so.

[law215]

  1 hour ago, law215 said:

I don't think the Ravens should even consider trading back at this point. They should trust their board. There are no guarantees in any draft. If either Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey, or Tunsil are not good enough at the number 6 pick, then what does they say about the guys behind them. The strength of the is based on the guys in the draft and those are consensus top talents. Last thing the Ravens need, with all of their defensive needs and older players , is to trade back and get a guy that 10-14 teams passed on. Stay and get one of the best rated players in the draft. Where ar ethe Ravens so talneted that they should pass on a top 6 player?

Excluding trading down right away would be a mistake.

Trade down to get who? If you trade back you also risk someone jumping you to get that player. IMO, not a risk worth taking. Ravens could use a LT, CB, Pass Rusher (either interior or edge). Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa,, Buckner. That's four players and only 3 selections IF Rams and Eagle take a QB. If Ravens move, there no guarantee that a better you expect will be there. Ask yourself why is a player you want falling back to you?

[rmcjacket23]

27 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

I'm not saying he's not a good QB - but he§'s treated like he's right there at the top shelf, and it's only the team that hinders them... C'mon, we all know it ain't so.

I mean, as a statistical QB, he pretty much is right there at the top shelf.

Just depends on how you value winning and postseason success in terms of QB play. Some people think that's the only thing that matters, and others think its a combination of both (me).

Put it this way... if he's healthy, and the team around him is solid, I'd feel incredibly confident that he could win a SB. Generally speaking, him being healthy and him having a solid team around him has rarely, if ever, happened at the same time.

[dirtybird66]

love RAMSEY 1ST.then imagine adding BUCKNER and 10-12 sack's on the line and stuffing the run.nice