Marine Mock 2.0

[ellicottraven]

I believe at some point in the draft we are going to draft a nose tackle in anticipation of Brandon Williams leaving us in free agency. The Ravens are smart that way. Also, this is how I think the draft may play out. Stanley going to the Chargers may surprise us all.

1. Goff

2. Wentz

3. Ronnie Stanley

4. Joey Bosa

5. Jalen Ramsey

6. Laremy Tunsil.

7. Myles Jack

8. Eziekiel Elliott

9. VH3

10. Deforest Buckner

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I believe at some point in the draft we are going to draft a nose tackle in anticipation of Brandon Williams leaving us in free agency. The Ravens are smart that way. Also, this is how I think the draft may play out. Stanley going to the Chargers may surprise us all.

1. Goff

2. Wentz

3. Ronnie Stanley

4. Joey Bosa

5. Jalen Ramsey

6. Laremy Tunsil.

7. Myles Jack

8. Eziekiel Elliott

9. VH3

10. Deforest Buckner

I legitimately think we have high hopes of Carl Davis playing NT and I also see more 43 base in the future

[RavensDieHard21]

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think torrey desperately wanted a change of scenery. He knows he was on thin ice with fans even if he was a fan favorite. We had watched him fail to get his feet in bounds on so many big catches because he was scared to take a fall, we saw him refuse to fight for balls, and we watched him give zero effort on a game winning td catch to send us to the championship resulting in a pick. If he got that contract he knew the fans would be in an uproar the second he failed to fight for a ball. I honestly think he was scared of disappointing us because he loved our fan base and he couldn't live up to the pressure. He could care less about disappointing niners fans lol

A perfect outline of the rise and fall of Torrey smith lmao that NE game made me so frustrated, not just because we could have continued to push their soft defensive line back and ran the ball down their throats into the red zone, but because Torrey seen that ball and where it was going and he elected to take his eye off it and focus on pushing Harmon instead ugh....

[RavensDieHard21]

I think it is solid except grant will most likely go later. There are a lot of interesting talents that will be available in round 4. I am a Tunsil homer but come on imagine a offensive line on week one being Monroe-Tunsil-zuttah-Yanda- Wagner, then by week 5 being Tunsil-urschel-zuttah-Yanda-Wagner. I also see round 4 as being a place where we nab another great developing prospect like Vadal Alexander or Beavers. 

I am not sure if everyone seen our forum mock draft, but I think it will quickly resemble the talent that will be plucked off the board by the ending of round 1. Factor in crap teams making a bold move like the Eagles recently did with Marcus Smith or the bills with Ej Manuel, and there will be a handful of valuable players left. Nkemdiche has a lot of question marks mainly revolving around character and that is scary. But despite this, he might be the most valuable player at 36 based on potential and payoff if he semi gets his act together and doesn't buy a panther with his signing bonus. 

Scooby Wright is worth a 4th. The guy might not have lateral quickness or be fast twitch in pass coverage, but he is highly instinctive, a great leader, has high character and can plug up the run, wrap up and blitz very well. His 2014 campaign was phenomenal. Selecting players, particularly ILBs based on potential and speed to cover is I believe an even bigger gamble at times, just look at Arthur brown who had all the tools, yet has not been able to piece it together. I think Wright will contribute more than many believe he could--just a hunch I have.

[Winchester]

I like it dude!! I mean I do not think Nkemdiche is available in round2 because  he is so disruptive. He is a drama player but in my opinion flex is getting kind of carried away. His brother is the one that attacked somebody. Probably playing tough with his brother there. i like the pick. We are talking #1 overall skills. And I really like Ngakoue!! He has loads of raw skills but has not been coached up as Maryland needs a real coach.He is right there with Spence. You could wait for round6 If You really like Grant. I would put throw Demarcus Robinson in his place. He is going to be a total steal and a stud!! He will have a similar impact to the Maryland receiver the ravens missed on. I have not watched Cowser yet but I hear good and can not argue talent in round4 

[usmccharles]

10 hours ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

I don't think Grant will provide much of anything outside of return duties, don't be fooled by his reception numbers, Tech ran him a million shovel passes, so basically he was getting the ball at full speed behind the line of scrimmage and from there he was quick enough to just get around guys. He's got some moves but I have doubts as to whether he could really make it by NFL caliber defenders consistently. He's not a slot guy that could open up a bit, he'd basically be around for end arounds or, again, shovel passes which we don't really need. I'm sure he'll be a great return man but I wouldn't get my hopes up about contributing on offense much.

And I am more than ok with that.  Jacoby Jones was so important to this team, yet he only caught 30, 37, 9 passes while here in Baltimore which is roughly two passes a game. We need that play making ability back in the return game, and you still have to account for him anytime he is on the field with that speed.   In no way am I saying draft him, throw him in the slot and expect 90 receptions a year, but check these numbers out:  In the 3 years Jones was here he totaled 980 yards in receptions with 3 TDs.  BUT, he totaled 3,875 yards with 5 TDs in return yards.  You think we had him here for his receiving skills?  Maybe the 4th is too early, but if we got that kind of production, I think it would be safe to say it was well worth it.  Drafting a guy strictly for his return abilities can pay huge dividends.  Tavon Austin is 2" bigger with the same weight and has had 40,31,52 in his 3 years with the Rams, Its not out of the question.  Also, remember how Trindon Holliday ran all over us? That year in Denver he had 2 receptions for 17 yards, BUT he had 1000 return yards.  He put up 14 points against us.  Oh yea, Holliday is smaller than Grant.  Just saying....

Article about him, author is way more optimistic about his receiving qualities than I am

http://rotoviz.com/2015/12/2016-nfl-draft-prospect-jakeem-grant-wr-texas-tech/

It's also rumored he ran a 4.1x 40

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jakeem-grant-fastest-40-yard-dash-history-texas-tech-wide-receiver-wr-highlight-vine-video-031616

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

I like it dude!! I mean I do not think Nkemdiche is available in round2 because  he is so disruptive. He is a drama player but in my opinion flex is getting kind of carried away. His brother is the one that attacked somebody. Probably playing tough with his brother there. i like the pick. We are talking #1 overall skills. And I really like Ngakoue!! He has loads of raw skills but has not been coached up as Maryland needs a real coach.He is right there with Spence. You could wait for round6 If You really like Grant. I would put throw Demarcus Robinson in his place. He is going to be a total steal and a stud!! He will have a similar impact to the Maryland receiver the ravens missed on. I have not watched Cowser yet but I hear good and can not argue talent in round4 

Yea the talent says he wont be there, but I honestly believe the dude has issues, but like you have stated before the guy is so talented if he is there in the second we cant pass that opportunity.  I would rather have Spence but I don't think he last as long as his off the field issues were minor imo.  Ngakoue is a guy I really would like to see here, he is raw obviously, but he reminds me of Spence like you eluded to.  Grant (see above for my rant)  is a guy that I had no clue where he would go so I just threw him in the 4th round, but he is a guy I think we need with his ability in the return game. 

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think it is solid except grant will most likely go later.(see above) There are a lot of interesting talents that will be available in round 4. I am a Tunsil homer but come on imagine a offensive line on week one being Monroe-Tunsil-zuttah-Yanda- Wagner, then by week 5 being Tunsil-urschel-zuttah-Yanda-Wagner. I also see round 4 as being a place where we nab another great developing prospect like Vadal Alexander or Beavers. 

 

I would love to have that line.  We could even throw Monroe at G or LT if need be...if he stays healthy. 

Edited April 27, 2016 by usmccharles

[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

and we will get a 3rd round compensatory pick for him.

 

Sometimes its more important to keep your elite talent than a pick.  But now that you can trade comp picks (well next year) that might drastically change things. 

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

A perfect outline of the rise and fall of Torrey smith lmao that NE game made me so frustrated, not just because we could have continued to push their soft defensive line back and ran the ball down their throats into the red zone, but because Torrey seen that ball and where it was going and he elected to take his eye off it and focus on pushing Harmon instead ugh....

I just can't believe how had torrey failed the CARDINAL RULE for wrs.. FINISH YOUR ROUTE! If he literally just kept his eye on the ball and continued running through to the end zone then at the very least he shields off the safety, if he ran through his route and tried to play the ball he had a very solid chance to catch it. He was in no way in a bad spot on that play. Joe led him to the end zone and torrey got scared and quit on it, and it wasn't the first time he did that either. Those kinds of things lead to big game losses that you should win. Even kamar aiken who is esentially a nobody can offer more in terms of tough catches. 

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just can't believe how had torrey failed the CARDINAL RULE for wrs.. FINISH YOUR ROUTE! If he literally just kept his eye on the ball and continued running through to the end zone then at the very least he shields off the safety, if he ran through his route and tried to play the ball he had a very solid chance to catch it. He was in no way in a bad spot on that play. Joe led him to the end zone and torrey got scared and quit on it, and it wasn't the first time he did that either. Those kinds of things lead to big game losses that you should win. Even kamar aiken who is esentially a nobody can offer more in terms of tough catches. 

I agree.  I had to defend Joe to a Falcons fan who said that was uncatchable...right.  Its called jumping. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I agree.  I had to defend Joe to a Falcons fan who said that was uncatchable...right.  Its called jumping. 

It's called tippy toes... 

[usmccharles]

I switched my pick from Tunsil to Stanley just now...I think he is the safer pick.  I feel like Tunsil will be injury riddled at some point like Monroe. 

[CalvinSmoke]

On 4/26/2016 at 2:48 AM, usmccharles said:

Overall I would be happy with this draft but yet I feel something is missing.  I didn't want to go RB because I think we have enough guys on our roster that can do the job for now.  I would of liked to go CB earlier but I think Will Jackson, Alexander, and Fuller will all be gone.  I got very bored at work, then things started picking up so I had to rush.  Hope everyone enjoys the draft this week and hope most of us get one of the players on our wish list. 

I feel the same way about Myles Jack, Tunsil first should be fine, he's not perfect but they never are. Robert is hard to pass up in the 2nd round.

PS When Torrey Smith left it hurt. Almost as bad as that Ray Rice crap

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I switched my pick from Tunsil to Stanley just now...I think he is the safer pick.  I feel like Tunsil will be injury riddled at some point like Monroe. 

I think it is hard to predict injuries in the NFL and the best you can do is go with the most talented. I still think Stanley is safer because of Tunsil's suspension but I think Tunsil has a lot higher upside

 

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I switched my pick from Tunsil to Stanley just now...I think he is the safer pick.  I feel like Tunsil will be injury riddled at some point like Monroe. 

I'm torn on it.  I'd find it so hard to pass on Tunsil if he's there but he's definitely been in and out of games throughout his college career.

[usmccharles]

Just now, CalvinSmoke said:

I feel the same way about Myles Jack, Tunsil first should be fine, he's not perfect but they never are. Robert is hard to pass up in the 2nd round.

PS When Torrey Smith left it hurt. Almost as bad as that Ray Rice crap

I just switched it to Stanley lol

The Ray Rice thing hurt more imo. He was such good guy in everyone's eyes and an elite RB.  I think 2013 was just a bad year and 2014 I really thought he was going to come out hards

PS We still on for Thursday?

 

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think it is hard to predict injuries in the NFL and the best you can do is go with the most talented. I still think Stanley is safer because of Tunsil's suspension but I think Tunsil has a lot higher upside

 

Agreed you cant predict injuries, but if im buying a car, im going to take the one who has broken down less

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think it is hard to predict injuries in the NFL and the best you can do is go with the most talented. I still think Stanley is safer because of Tunsil's suspension but I think Tunsil has a lot higher upside

 

In my opinion Ron Stanley has the upside because he was a clean true college student with a real degree. He has not yet committed to a weight room and program. He now can and he will get leaner and more athletic and stronger to go witb his natural anchor.

[usmccharles]

15 hours ago, Winchester said:

In my opinion Ron Stanley has the upside because he was a clean true college student with a real degree. He has not yet committed to a weight room and program. He now can and he will get leaner and more athletic and stronger to go witb his natural anchor.

I would not be surprised if we took Stanley, and I would be more than ok with it. 

[usmccharles]

Boom,  nailed it