Marine Mock 2.0

[usmccharles]

Alright guys, maybe some of you remember my first mock when I had us taking Myles Jack, I decided to redo one because I just don't feel comfortable with his knee issues. I know its just the media, could be smoke screens, etc but I don't want to risk it (plus I think Jax takes him).  In this mock there is some obvious names and some names I found after I've done some reading on websites and all.  This is more of a "Want draft" than what I "Think will happen draft".  I wont predict any trades.  I am also not going to write in depth about the guys we all know, Not going to explain the 6th round picks, just taking who is out there.  Enjoy

 

RD 1/3 - Jalen Ramsey  FSU

RD 1/4 - DeForest Buckner Oregon

RD 1/5 -  Myles Jack UCLA

 

RD 1/6 - Ronnie Stanley LT Notre Dame   aka Thing

I had Tunsil here, but I have concerns about his longevity of health.  I think Stanley can do what Tunsil does, some like him more than Tunsil....I am jumping on that wagon.

 

RD 2/36 - Robert Nkemdichie DT Ole Miss aka the Hulk

I know I know.  But I have a feeling he slips and we just cant pass on his talent that he brings to the field.  I have been critical of him, but the talent in the second round could very well be a massive steal and help make this defense dominant upfront. 

 

RD 3/70 - Yannick Ngakoue OLB Maryland aka Captain Maryland

I love this kid.  Home grown guy who a lot think can become a great pass rusher.  It might be to early to take him in the 3rd, still not sure where he ends up but I didn't want to miss on him like Cravens. 

 

RD 4/104 - KeiVarae Russel CB Notre Dame aka Spiderman

"Rewind to 2013—before the Notre Dame Fighting Irish were investigated for academic improprieties—and you'd find one of the nation's top cornerbacks who had just finished his sophomore season. Due to the prolonged process, KeiVarae Russell missed the 2014 season and returned to the field in 2015.  At 5'11" and 192 pounds, Russell has the ideal frame to play inside or outside cornerback at the next level. He blazed a 4.43-second 40-yard dash to go along with a stellar 6.89-second three-cone drill at this pro day. His explosion was also on display with a 38.5-inch vertical and 134-inch broad jump."

 

RD 4/130 - Jakeem Grant WR Texas Tech aka the Flash

Interesting stat- Forced 33 missed tackles on just 91 receptions.  This guy can be our new version of jacoby jones in the return game but I feel he offers more in the receiving game than Jones ever did putting him in the slot.  Obviously he's a small guy at 5'6 170 and is not going to be an every down player, but I believe his skills in the return game alone would warrant one of our 4th round picks. 

 

RD 4/132 - Scooby Wright LB Arizona aka DeadPool

This is a guy we have all known about and he has been mocked to us numerous times.  I honestly don't think I need to say anything else about him. 

 

RD 4/134 - James Cowser OLB/DE Southern Utah aka Thor

"Cowser is a natural backfield disruptor. He's consistent in generating pressure to collapse the pocket and has the strength to separate from blockers and get into the backfield with power moves. When taking on the run, Cowser will stack-and-shed with power. He takes smart, crisp angles to the ball-carrier while ducking into the backfield and on outside chase plays" per Matt Miller.  We don't seem to mind giving small school guys a shot, he could be a big steal. 

 

RD 6/182 Landon Turner OG North Carolina aka Dr Manhattan

RD 6/209 - Derrick Kindred S TCU aka The Tick

 

Overall I would be happy with this draft but yet I feel something is missing.  I didn't want to go RB because I think we have enough guys on our roster that can do the job for now.  I would of liked to go CB earlier but I think Will Jackson, Alexander, and Fuller will all be gone.  I got very bored at work, then things started picking up so I had to rush.  Hope everyone enjoys the draft this week and hope most of us get one of the players on our wish list. 

 

Edited April 27, 2016 by usmccharles

[Jacquouille]

Maybe Ryan Kelly instead of Nkemdiche, or a trade back and Nick Martin, I've always felt like a future starter at center would mean a lot to our running game. Zuttah is good but too IP.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Maybe Ryan Kelly instead of Nkemdiche, or a trade back and Nick Martin, I've always felt like a future starter at center would mean a lot to our running game. Zuttah is good but too IP.

Yea I didn't want to mess with trades.  Yea I would like Martin but I felt we needed some QB pressure. 

[Jacquouille]

36 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I didn't want to mess with trades.  Yea I would like Martin but I felt we needed some QB pressure. 

I'm willing to bet Guy, Urban and Davis will do that better than Canty did, and Cullen wanted to make B-Will improve in that area.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm willing to bet Guy, Urban and Davis will do that better than Canty did, and Cullen wanted to make B-Will improve in that area.

Yea im hoping our line steps up.  I think Bwill becomes a beast this year and of course leaves in FA

[KentuckyProud]

I just don't see the Ravens going Tunsil AND Nkemdiche. I think Jakeem Grant won't go until later in the draft so I'd love to grab Keith Marshall or Drake and then get Jakeem later in the draft.

[Darhk_Raven]

I really don't think that Turner will last that long.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yea im hoping our line steps up.  I think Bwill becomes a beast this year and of course leaves in FA

I would be so sour. Even more than when McPhee left. But I think B-Will is very attached to the city and the organization, that's the silver lining that makes me hope. Please Ozzie, you've been terrific this offseason, only this and the draft and you've done your job.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Jacquouille

[usmccharles]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

I would be so sour. Even more than when McPhee left. But I think B-Will is very attached to the city and the organization, that's the silver lining that makes me hope. Please Ozzie, you've been terrific this offseason, only this and the draft.

So was Torrey, he was a fan favorite, such a nice kid.  I don't live in the area so I don't know how these guys are in the community.  But after seeing what Malik Jackson got, I don't know how he doesn't test  FA.  

[Jacquouille]

57 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

So was Torrey, he was a fan favorite, such a nice kid.  I don't live in the area so I don't know how these guys are in the community.  But after seeing what Malik Jackson got, I don't know how he doesn't test  FA.  

Being not a Maryland guy, I didn't hurt much when Torrey left. I liked the guy but he could be replaced. A player like Mcphee is very hard to find and to develop. Yeah I think so too.

[usmccharles]

23 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Being not a Maryland guy, I didn't hurt much when Torrey left. I liked the guy but he could be replaced. A player like Mcphee is very hard to find and to develop. Yeah I think so too.

Oh, I did not bat an eye when Torrey left, great kid and I wished him the best.  But after him not showing any effort on the pass in NE, I was more than ok with him walking

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

So was Torrey, he was a fan favorite, such a nice kid.  I don't live in the area so I don't know how these guys are in the community.  But after seeing what Malik Jackson got, I don't know how he doesn't test  FA.  

I think torrey desperately wanted a change of scenery. He knows he was on thin ice with fans even if he was a fan favorite. We had watched him fail to get his feet in bounds on so many big catches because he was scared to take a fall, we saw him refuse to fight for balls, and we watched him give zero effort on a game winning td catch to send us to the championship resulting in a pick. If he got that contract he knew the fans would be in an uproar the second he failed to fight for a ball. I honestly think he was scared of disappointing us because he loved our fan base and he couldn't live up to the pressure. He could care less about disappointing niners fans lol

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think torrey desperately wanted a change of scenery. He knows he was on thin ice with fans even if he was a fan favorite. We had watched him fail to get his feet in bounds on so many big catches because he was scared to take a fall, we saw him refuse to fight for balls, and we watched him give zero effort on a game winning td catch to send us to the championship resulting in a pick. If he got that contract he knew the fans would be in an uproar the second he failed to fight for a ball. I honestly think he was scared of disappointing us because he loved our fan base and he couldn't live up to the pressure. He could care less about disappointing niners fans lol

If we would of signed for that 5mill a year I would of been ok with that...but I already was disappointed..

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

If we would of signed for that 5mill a year I would of been ok with that...but I already was disappointed..

I would have been too. I liked torrey but some of his play really irritated me. It almost came off as scared and confused. He also lacked that fire that we wanna see, when a cb got in his head it was noticeable, he got a little pouty face and would throw little girly shoves after the whistle and in general it looked bad. I would have continued to cheer for torrey but I know he wasn't living up to that contract and I think He knew it too.

[usmccharles]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would have been too. I liked torrey but some of his play really irritated me. It almost came off as scared and confused. He also lacked that fire that we wanna see, when a cb got in his head it was noticeable, he got a little pouty face and would throw little girly shoves after the whistle and in general it looked bad. I would have continued to cheer for torrey but I know he wasn't living up to that contract and I think He knew it too.

He stepped up in some big games but I didn't really see that fire either like you said.  And in no way am I dogging on him, he was great for us, I just felt he had so much more potential.  Any thoughts on the mock?

[usmccharles]

Interesting

"According to Andy Benoit of The MMQB, the Ravens plan on playing more of a 4-3 front instead of their traditional 3-4. Their need for an extra down lineman and one less linebacker is a good thing considering they’re armed with the sixth overall pick."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2635668-nfl-draft-2016-final-team-by-team-needs-fits-and-predictions/page/4

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

He stepped up in some big games but I didn't really see that fire either like you said.  And in no way am I dogging on him, he was great for us, I just felt he had so much more potential.  Any thoughts on the mock?

Ah. Well I love tunsil. Nkemdiche is a great talent but I think he's a legit headcase and I'm not sure he's on the ravens board at all. I have reservations about ngakoue, he could be a very good rotational pass rusher but when I watch his tape i wonder if he has it between the ears, id say he's worth a 3rd though. I think Grant and Wright are reaches in the 4th, I don't see an NFL player in Wright and Grant probably goes very late since he'll likely just be a return man. Idk about kindred at all but I like all your other picks. Some up and down value but solid draft overall

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ah. Well I love tunsil. Nkemdiche is a great talent but I think he's a legit headcase and I'm not sure he's on the ravens board at all. I have reservations about ngakoue, he could be a very good rotational pass rusher but when I watch his tape i wonder if he has it between the ears, id say he's worth a 3rd though. I think Grant and Wright are reaches in the 4th, I don't see an NFL player in Wright and Grant probably goes very late since he'll likely just be a return man. Idk about kindred at all but I like all your other picks. Some up and down value but solid draft overall

Yea, like we talked about before, just have no clue where Grant will go, but he is a guy that I think that would instantly make an impact so id rather reach a round and get him than miss out.  We have talked enough where you know I don't know these college guys in depth that much, so later on in the draft I go off of numerous other opinions and pick a guy with some upside.  Nkemdiche does scare, I just wanted to get someone to put pressure on the QB and in the second I don't know who will be there.  I would of rather taken Cravens there, maybe I should change it like I already did 5 times

[Jacquouille]

I'm not gonna lie, on the few tapes I've seen, I didn't like Grant. Stone hands, not great route and no blazing speed or quickness to make up for it. I'd prefer Lawler or Mike Thomas in the 4th. 

Edited April 26, 2016 by Jacquouille

[The Mom Gene]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think torrey desperately wanted a change of scenery. He knows he was on thin ice with fans even if he was a fan favorite. We had watched him fail to get his feet in bounds on so many big catches because he was scared to take a fall, we saw him refuse to fight for balls, and we watched him give zero effort on a game winning td catch to send us to the championship resulting in a pick. If he got that contract he knew the fans would be in an uproar the second he failed to fight for a ball. I honestly think he was scared of disappointing us because he loved our fan base and he couldn't live up to the pressure. He could care less about disappointing niners fans lol

Yup Joey, I agree...  Two plays in particular that year in the playoffs cost us games.  He knew it too.  Couldn't tap that toe running through the endzone?  That was huge...  Then allowing that endzone interception was even more huge.   I loved the guy...  but I was furious.

[RavensFan34950]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ah. Well I love tunsil. Nkemdiche is a great talent but I think he's a legit headcase and I'm not sure he's on the ravens board at all. I have reservations about ngakoue, he could be a very good rotational pass rusher but when I watch his tape i wonder if he has it between the ears, id say he's worth a 3rd though. I think Grant and Wright are reaches in the 4th, I don't see an NFL player in Wright and Grant probably goes very late since he'll likely just be a return man. Idk about kindred at all but I like all your other picks. Some up and down value but solid draft overall

Lol with the way you talk about nkemdiche, you'd think he and Greg Hardy were best friends or something. How did you feel about Timmy Jernigan before we drafted him? I said it once and ill say it again, he's too big a talent to pass up on. Also I disagree with you on Scooby Wright. I definitely see him as a NFL player. His instincts alone will put him in the right place in coverage more times than not. There's a reason he's being compared too zach thomas / Vontaze Burfict.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Lol with the way you talk about nkemdiche, you'd think he and Greg Hardy were best friends or something. How did you feel about Timmy Jernigan before we drafted him? I said it once and ill say it again, he's too big a talent to pass up on. Also I disagree with you on Scooby Wright. I definitely see him as a NFL player. His instincts alone will put him in the right place in coverage more times than not. There's a reason he's being compared too zach thomas / Vontaze Burfict.

Zach Thomas and burfict weren't as stiff and slow as him though, they had more NFL ready athleticism, I just don't think he has the movement skills to be anything more than a goal line plugger. And nkemdiche, I won't disagree with his talent, and while he doesn't have DV cases he appears every bit as much of a nutcase as hardy, he had an assault lawsuit when him and his brothers stomped a kid into the hospital, he threw his teammate under the bus when asked about the window situation even though he was referring to something totally unrelated just to draw attention to someone else, and he takes plays off and sometimes nearly entire games off. There's a whole lot of negative there and adding it all up I don't see a guy with enough character to last in the NFL to his 2nd contract. Not denying his talent, but I am totally against him as a character.

[JoeyFlex5]

As far as jernigan.. That's totally different. He had no real character concerns. He had conditioning concerns because he occasionally got gassed in the 4th quarter which could be in part to being a very undersized NT, and he turned in a diluted urine sample at the combine, I thought little to nothing of it.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, like we talked about before, just have no clue where Grant will go, but he is a guy that I think that would instantly make an impact so id rather reach a round and get him than miss out.  We have talked enough where you know I don't know these college guys in depth that much, so later on in the draft I go off of numerous other opinions and pick a guy with some upside.  Nkemdiche does scare, I just wanted to get someone to put pressure on the QB and in the second I don't know who will be there.  I would of rather taken Cravens there, maybe I should change it like I already did 5 times

I don't think any team sees Grant any higher than a 6th. He's a stretch to be anything more than a return man which has severely lost value these days. He's still an electrifying player though. What do you think of vernon butler in the 2nd who I think is a poor man's version of nkemdiche on the field without the pure insanity off the field lol 

[RavensFan34950]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Zach Thomas and burfict weren't as stiff and slow as him though, they had more NFL ready athleticism, I just don't think he has the movement skills to be anything more than a goal line plugger. And nkemdiche, I won't disagree with his talent, and while he doesn't have DV cases he appears every bit as much of a nutcase as hardy, he had an assault lawsuit when him and his brothers stomped a kid into the hospital, he threw his teammate under the bus when asked about the window situation even though he was referring to something totally unrelated just to draw attention to someone else, and he takes plays off and sometimes nearly entire games off. There's a whole lot of negative there and adding it all up I don't see a guy with enough character to last in the NFL to his 2nd contract. Not denying his talent, but I am totally against him as a character.

Are you basing your analysis on Wrights game tape from last season? Because its hard to judge someone's athletic ability when they're playing injured.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't think any team sees Grant any higher than a 6th. He's a stretch to be anything more than a return man which has severely lost value these days. He's still an electrifying player though. What do you think of vernon butler in the 2nd who I think is a poor man's version of nkemdiche on the field without the pure insanity off the field lol 

That's funny you mention Butler because that is exactly who I was going to put,  but just wasn't sure he would be there.  What's your opinion on him? Your more knowledgeable about these guys than i

[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Are you basing your analysis on Wrights game tape from last season? Because its hard to judge someone's athletic ability when they're playing injured.

No. I'm judging it based on everything I've seen. Even in his highlights which are skewed to make a player look 1p0% great he looks slow and late to nearly every tackle. He never meets guys at the point of attack because he's too slow to get there on time and he's constantly dragging guys down from behind, those will be misses tackles at the next level. I made this opinion on Wright the season prior when he was hyped as a late first rounder, and there are posts on this site to back it up I just don't feel like digging.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

That's funny you mention Butler because that is exactly who I was going to put,  but just wasn't sure he would be there.  What's your opinion on him? Your more knowledgeable about these guys than i

I'm weary because he gets lost behind the line of scrimmage, it could be lack of discipline or a lack of vision, one is coachable and one isn't. He is very disruptive though, id be ok with him in the 2nd but I would have my reservations about it is all.

[443hurricane]

9 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea im hoping our line steps up.  I think Bwill becomes a beast this year and of course leaves in FA

and we will get a 3rd round compensatory pick for him.

 

[VeiledPsychosis]

I don't think Grant will provide much of anything outside of return duties, don't be fooled by his reception numbers, Tech ran him a million shovel passes, so basically he was getting the ball at full speed behind the line of scrimmage and from there he was quick enough to just get around guys. He's got some moves but I have doubts as to whether he could really make it by NFL caliber defenders consistently. He's not a slot guy that could open up a bit, he'd basically be around for end arounds or, again, shovel passes which we don't really need. I'm sure he'll be a great return man but I wouldn't get my hopes up about contributing on offense much.