[News] Late For Work 4/25: Dang, Trent Richardson Has Shed Some Serious Weight

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Yes, I really like that also. But how far back can we trade and still get Hargreaves? And how much do we need to move up to get Spence? Great scenario, but would be real tricky to pull off.

I'd say borderline impossible. I'm not sure you could guarantee getting Spence unless you moved into the top 20, and that'll cost more than giving up a second rounder plus some mid-round picks.

[JacktheRaven]

That's a ridiculous poll about Joe being elite. What do you think skins fans are going to say?

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, JacktheRaven said:

That's a ridiculous poll about Joe being elite. What do you think skins fans are going to say?

Well, who else would you ask? Should we ask Ravens fans if he is elite? What do you think they would say?

[eze17]

  11 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Yes, I really like that also. But how far back can we trade and still get Hargreaves? And how much do we need to move up to get Spence? Great scenario, but would be real tricky to pull off.

I'd say borderline impossible. I'm not sure you could guarantee getting Spence unless you moved into the top 20, and that'll cost more than giving up a second rounder plus some mid-round picks.

I agree that it's highly unlikely. Spence could easily go in the mid 1st to anywhere in the beginning of the 2nd. But hey, you can always fantasize about such things. Any one who says they know what team is picking what player has never watched the draft. Educated guesses are the best you can do.

[VermontRaven]

A bit off topic, but I was so happy this morning to see that cheater Tom Brady's suspension was re-instated:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15353950/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-four-game-suspension-deflategate-reinstated-appeals-court I am glad the Ravens will be playing the Patriots with Brady back...I want to beat down the cheaters in their house with Brady...that way they won't have any excuses. (although I am sure they will come up with some)

[fluffy201]

  1 hour ago, Black&purple#55 said:

I like the idea of moving back pick Hargraves, then move up in 2nd round& pick Spence.

Yes, I really like that also. But how far back can we trade and still get Hargreaves? And how much do we need to move up to get Spence? Great scenario, but would be real tricky to pull off.

Yea I can't see Hargreaves falling out of the top ten. But I always thought a cool scenario would be to trade with the Titans for both their seconds and move back to 8 or 9 while only giving up one second and maybe a 4th and a 6th and 7th. But that's just pure speculation. Come on Friday.

[steelcityraven]

Trent Richardson has the talent for sure. Motivation has seemingly been the biggest issue and right now he seems very motivated. Hope that means big things for us... and could possibly have (West and LT on the outside looking in)?

[steelcityraven]

  16 minutes ago, JacktheRaven said:

That's a ridiculous poll about Joe being elite. What do you think skins fans are going to say?

Well, who else would you ask? Should we ask Ravens fans if he is elite? What do you think they would say?

I think the question of if Joe is elite or not is very old. Does it really matter what the fans view of Joe Flacco's status is, or what the next presidential candidates view is on where Flacco stands as a QB or even what some in the media think? Bottom line is that we know we can win and even win a super bowl with Flacco at the helm. In other words he is elite enough for BMORE... anything he does to gain favor with the media, fans or anyone else is simply bonus! Who cares - he is our guy and we know we know what he can do... let the rest of the world keep underestimating him... so he / we can just keep winning. The entire elite debate is tiresome!

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, Black&purple#55 said:

I like the idea of moving back pick Hargraves, then move up in 2nd round& pick Spence.

Yes, I really like that also. But how far back can we trade and still get Hargreaves? And how much do we need to move up to get Spence? Great scenario, but would be real tricky to pull off.

VHIII, Stanley and Spence would all be available later in round 1. (and most probably outside of the top 10)... but what would someone offer in addition is the question? If we could get half of what the browns got... I say take the trade if not... take the stud at #6!

[rossihunter2]

33 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Yes, I really like that also. But how far back can we trade and still get Hargreaves? And how much do we need to move up to get Spence? Great scenario, but would be real tricky to pull off.

i think hargreaves is definitely gone by 9 when the bucs pick (unless bosa is there and even then they might take hargreaves) but that could mean one of the other premier players is still there at 10...

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

VHIII, Stanley and Spence would all be available later in round 1. (and most probably outside of the top 10)... but what would someone offer in addition is the question? If we could get half of what the browns got... I say take the trade if not... take the stud at #6!

stanley and hargreaves both go in the top 15 picks and most likely the top 10, spence might fall to the end of the first in which case there is a shot in this scenario if you trade back in the first and up in the second but i reckon someone takes a chance in the 20s

[harfordravenfan]

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

stanley and hargreaves both go in the top 15 picks and most likely the top 10, spence might fall to the end of the first in which case there is a shot in this scenario if you trade back in the first and up in the second but i reckon someone takes a chance in the 20s

Sadly, I feel the same about Spence... I really wanted him 

[WNC-Raven]

40 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, who else would you ask? Should we ask Ravens fans if he is elite? What do you think they would say?

While I could care less about whether or not Joe is elite because I think he is better than 75% of the QB's in the league, you are exactly right. The only way to

gauge a players status is by the opinions of his peers first and then the fans of opposing teams. Redskins fans are a good sample as they are local enough to have knowledge of him while not really caring enough to be hateful. I for instance thought RGIII was way over hyped but still wanted to see him be successful because he seemed like a good person. Big head aside

[eze17]

And an educated guess could be we trade back a few spots, get some extra picks, and pick Hargreaves. And as I said, no one can possibly know where Spence will be drafted. so he COULD be there at #36. Or he could be there where it may not cost us a lot to move up a few spots. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. Improbable? sure. Impossible? no. So to say "this can't happen" is like saying "the Eagles won't move up because they really don't need a QB." And as we saw, it did happen.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, eze17 said:

And an educated guess could be we trade back a few spots, get some extra picks, and pick Hargreaves. And as I said, no one can possibly know where Spence will be drafted. so he COULD be there at #36. Or he could be there where it may not cost us a lot to move up a few spots. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. Improbable? sure. Impossible? no. So to say "this can't happen" is like saying "the Eagles won't move up because they really don't need a QB." And as we saw, it did happen.

But I didn't say it couldn't happen... I send its not realistic to think it would happen. You yourself said it... its fantasizing. I prefer not to fantasize, because I don't get the point or the accomplishment in doing so.

[YankeeRaven]

Shouldn't Ravens pick before Jacksonville since they ended with the same record and Ravens lost to Jacksonville or am I missing something?

[eze17]

  11 minutes ago, eze17 said:

And an educated guess could be we trade back a few spots, get some extra picks, and pick Hargreaves. And as I said, no one can possibly know where Spence will be drafted. so he COULD be there at #36. Or he could be there where it may not cost us a lot to move up a few spots. I don't know, and neither does anyone else. Improbable? sure. Impossible? no. So to say "this can't happen" is like saying "the Eagles won't move up because they really don't need a QB." And as we saw, it did happen.

But I didn't say it couldn't happen... I send its not realistic to think it would happen. You yourself said it... its fantasizing. I prefer not to fantasize, because I don't get the point or the accomplishment in doing so.

My bad on wording...I seriously doubt it could happen, but i've seen some weird stuff go down on draft day...

[The Negotiator]

I would trade up with chargers give them a 3. thats around the cost and take the best player in the draft. It's a big need and he so happens to be best defensive player in the draft. Dez Bryant was right there and Cowboys jumped us. Let's be aggressive and get a true Beast. Jalen Ramsy Ravens first pick.

[ravenwildman]

Shouldn't Ravens pick before Jacksonville since they ended with the same record and Ravens lost to Jacksonville or am I missing something?

It has something to do with the conference position with a tieing record of three teams, and it defaults to the team that had the hardest schedule....or something like that. LFW explained it once before. I agree with you, it always seems there is some rule out there to hand the Ravens the...Dirty...end of the stick, but what can you do about it? GO RAVENS!

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, The Negotiator said:

I would trade up with chargers give them a 3. thats around the cost and take the best player in the draft. It's a big need and he so happens to be best defensive player in the draft. Dez Bryant was right there and Cowboys jumped us. Let's be aggressive and get a true Beast. Jalen Ramsy Ravens first pick.

no point trading because he or tunsil (who i rate more highly) could well be there at 6.. why give away a valuable 3rd for a player of an equal playing ability and also at a position of need

[100CrystalClear]

Shouldn't Ravens pick before Jacksonville since they ended with the same record and Ravens lost to Jacksonville or am I missing something?

No. Ties for draft order are broken using strength of schedule, not head to head match up. If strength of schedule is tied, then a coin toss at the scouting combine is used.

We were tied with Dallas in 2014 for strength of schedule and 8-8 record. Dallas won the toss. We were also tied record with Pittsburgh and they won the tiebreaker to be second in division ranking. It seemed odd, but Pittsburgh picked at 15, Dallas at 16, and Ravens at 17.

So, different tiebreakers for different situations.

[rmcjacket23]

25 minutes ago, 100CrystalClear said:

No. Ties for draft order are broken using strength of schedule, not head to head match up. If strength of schedule is tied, then a coin toss at the scouting combine is used.

We were tied with Dallas in 2014 for strength of schedule and 8-8 record. Dallas won the toss. We were also tied record with Pittsburgh and they won the tiebreaker to be second in division ranking. It seemed odd, but Pittsburgh picked at 15, Dallas at 16, and Ravens at 17.

So, different tiebreakers for different situations.

Correct. Also note that we rotate on a round by round basis with the teams with identical records. We pick ahead of both SF and Jacksonville in round 2, and we pick behind both of them in round 3, and so on and so on.

Edited April 25, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I would trade up with chargers give them a 3. thats around the cost and take the best player in the draft. It's a big need and he so happens to be best defensive player in the draft. Dez Bryant was right there and Cowboys jumped us. Let's be aggressive and get a true Beast. Jalen Ramsy Ravens first pick.

Go look at trade value, IF it was only a 3rd rounder it would be a no brainer, unfortunately the value for moving those 3 spots will cost a 2nd rounder and some min. Unless you can convince a team to move out of #3 for less value.

[hen826957]

  1 hour ago, The Negotiator said:

I would trade up with chargers give them a 3. thats around the cost and take the best player in the draft. It's a big need and he so happens to be best defensive player in the draft. Dez Bryant was right there and Cowboys jumped us. Let's be aggressive and get a true Beast. Jalen Ramsy Ravens first pick.

Go look at trade value, IF it was only a 3rd rounder it would be a no brainer, unfortunately the value for moving those 3 spots will cost a 2nd rounder and some min. Unless you can convince a team to move out of #3 for less value.

Are you sure because l thought was only a 3rd Rounder? If it's only a 3rd rounder go ahead and get this guy. Ramsey will make our secondary scary along with Eric Weddle, Webb, and Jimmy Smith. If it's only a 3rd Rounder no question asked trade up with the Chargers because they will still get the player they want with 6 overall in Tunsil or Buckner if they're interested. Ramsey over Tunsil all the way. ?

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Are you sure because l thought was only a 3rd Rounder? If it's only a 3rd rounder go ahead and get this guy. Ramsey will make our secondary scary along with Eric Weddle, Webb, and Jimmy Smith. If it's only a 3rd Rounder no question asked trade up with the Chargers because they will still get the player they want with 6 overall in Tunsil or Buckner if they're interested. Ramsey over Tunsil all the way. ?

i mean a 3rd rounder this year should also be a starter so you're asking to forego an equally good prospect in the first just for a position you consider a bigger need and in return we lose a potential good player in addition

in the draft i'd always lean towards more picks (especially in the first 2 days of the draft) coz its better odds of getting a player

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Here's hoping Richardson's physical transformation is the beginning of something great.

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, BmoreB said:

weed will sooth the pain but not make you healthier.. it's really that simple

I'm afraid science makes this a non-factual statement.

[NorthDakotaRaven]

I think it is great Monroe is getting this conversation started. Legalization of marijuana is decades overdue.

[verified]

This is irrelevant, Trent richardsons weight was never the problem. The problem was his lack of vision and quickness. I doubt he makes this team

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, verified said:

This is irrelevant, Trent richardsons weight was never the problem. The problem was his lack of vision and quickness. I doubt he makes this team

Agreed. I think he's a long shot.