Tunsil or Ramsey

[443hurricane]

13 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Tunsil is more of the project player. He's not going to step in day 1 and be good. He's going to have his struggles first couple of seasons

That's why I'm glad it is your opinion.

Tunsil is going to be on the Left Side for 10 years. Unlike the injury bug formerly known as eugene monroe.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I believe we have to go with the tackle,Tunsil. It's hard to pass up a player at a position it cost a king's ransom to get in free agency. If all goes well throughout the next 10 years, we probably won't have an opportunity draft this high and land a premium tackle. Decent tackles don't fall into the later part of the first round. Ramsey, although a beast, is in a position that covers and can be helped by others. Left tackles save your Qb and your 100 plus million dollar investment. However, I want my dominant defense back, so I want Ramsey, along with a couple of young OLB's to rush the passer and get some coverage sacks. So, Monroe needs step it up and stay healthy, we need ya!

So after the line of reasoning you used, you're stating we take Ramsey lol? I think LT consistency at a high level will heavily out weigh a jack of all trades, but master of none, physical specimen. I mean maybe if this were Patrick Peterson coming out of LSU there is a harder debate at hand, but Ramsey will most likely not be asked to be a shut down corner, so Tunsil> Ramsey. 

[ravensnj]

36 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

So after the line of reasoning you used, you're stating we take Ramsey lol? I think LT consistency at a high level will heavily out weigh a jack of all trades, but master of none, physical specimen. I mean maybe if this were Patrick Peterson coming out of LSU there is a harder debate at hand, but Ramsey will most likely not be asked to be a shut down corner, so Tunsil> Ramsey. 

My love for defensive got the better of me, lol.

[ALPHA]

Tunsil still makes me nervous, you have to project how much of his game is going to translate and how much time it's going to take to get acclimatised to the pro game, is he Tyron Smith or Jason Smith? remember people were saying Jason Smith was going to be the next Walter Jones.

I suppose you could say that about anybody but we can't afford to get this wrong.

[Dewy101]

6 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

That's why I'm glad it is your opinion.

Tunsil is going to be on the Left Side for 10 years. Unlike the injury bug formerly known as eugene monroe.

Tell me the last time Tunsils played a full season in college

[Dewy101]

39 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Tunsil still makes me nervous, you have to project how much of his game is going to translate and how much time it's going to take to get acclimatised to the pro game, is he Tyron Smith or Jason Smith? remember people were saying Jason Smith was going to be the next Walter Jones.

I suppose you could say that about anybody but we can't afford to get this wrong.

Makes you wonder why they haven't had a private workout with Tunsil if we can't get this pick wrong. 

[Alabama Raven]

7 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

That's why I'm glad it is your opinion.

Tunsil is going to be on the Left Side for 10 years. Unlike the injury bug formerly known as eugene monroe.

I'm all for picking Tunsil if he's available, but to do it while writing someone else off for injury problems is comical. Tunsil has a concerning and serious injury history. Even better yet, Eugene Monroe was the poster child of health in Jacksonville. 

[trevorsteadman]

 

3 minutes ago, Alabama Raven said:

I'm all for picking Tunsil if he's available, but to do it while writing someone else off for injury problems is comical. Tunsil has a concerning and serious injury history. Even better yet, Eugene Monroe was the poster child of health in Jacksonville. 

I agree there is no way to guess injuries. Just pick the best fit and the best talent for your team. If you put them in the right positions their chance of injury goes down already. 

[Alabama Raven]

To answer the original topic, If Ramsey is available I wouldn't hesitate one moment to pick him.. And that's not a knock on Tunsil, who is an incredible LT. 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, Alabama Raven said:

To answer the original topic, If Ramsey is available I wouldn't hesitate one moment to pick him.. And that's not a knock on Tunsil, who is an incredible LT. 

Here is how I see it. I love both prospects. But to me you look at the difference in talent from a Tunsil and Ramsey to players in the 2nd and 3rd round of this draft and other drafts. I think Ramsey is probably the most talented safety to come out in 10 years. That said Tunsil is compared to Johnathan Ogden and Tyron Smith. With how great we are at developing offensive linemen I think I would go with Ramsey now and I am changing my pick from what I said earlier... It is a hard decision and I would be happy with either but I think the Ravens really need to address that talent gap to see which player they would rather have.

[L.A.Ravens]

I would be personally fine with both picks. But would lean towards Ramsey. We need secondary help with Pitts, and Cincys offense. The bengals more then likely are taking a WR in the first. 

[hawkprey]

I would take Stanley over Tunsil personally. Having a last name that sounds like "Turnstile" is just bad mojo for a left tackle.

Edited April 26, 2016 by hawkprey

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, hawkprey said:

I would take Staley over Tunsil personally. Having a last name that sounds like "Turnstile" is just bad mojo for a left tackle.

Wouldn't care if the most talented players name was dummy... Select by talent and or need not by name. 

Could hear it now... Dummy really pancaked that guy lol

[Inqui]

5 minutes ago, hawkprey said:

I would take Stanley over Tunsil personally. Having a last name that sounds like "Turnstile" is just bad mojo for a left tackle.

Not to mention the last time we took an Ole Miss OT in the first.

[harfordravenfan]

8 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Not to mention the last time we took an Ole Miss OT in the first.

Really blindsided me there... had to go there didn't ya?

[Inqui]

Just now, harfordravenfan said:

Really blindsided me there... had to go there didn't ya?

It's alright man, I've got your back.

[ludy51]

56 minutes ago, Inqui said:

It's alright man, I've got your back.

I've never been a part of something like this...

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, ludy51 said:

I've never been a part of something like this...

Probably because of you record with the O line in forum mock games

[BmoreBird22]

11 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

That's why I'm glad it is your opinion.

Tunsil is going to be on the Left Side for 10 years. Unlike the injury bug formerly known as eugene monroe.

Tunsil hasn't exactly been the picture of durability, just so we're clear...

[GrimCoconut]

After reading some of your comments, I may have to reconsider my slight edge given to Tunsil. Some of you made some really good points. I think I'd give the edge to Ramsey right now. 

The draft can't come soon enough.

[RavensDieHard21]

8 hours ago, ravensnj said:

My love for defensive got the better of me, lol.

I do too don't get me wrong, but here comes a terrible analogy lmao, I also love dodge pick up trucks, but if I had to pick between that and a Dodge Challenger hell cat at an auction (the draft), which will cost the same amount (our draft pick), I am 10/10 times picking the more valuable asset lol

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, Alabama Raven said:

I'm all for picking Tunsil if he's available, but to do it while writing someone else off for injury problems is comical. Tunsil has a concerning and serious injury history. Even better yet, Eugene Monroe was the poster child of health in Jacksonville. 

Serious? What constitutes serious? Achilles tear, ACL, MCL, meniscus tear, maybe nerve damage to your knee. I don't see any boxes checked for Tunsil. Partial bicep tear can easily be expected, knee sprains and a broken bone. This is football we are talking about not water polo lol these injuries are common and don't slow players down. Tunsil is insurance for Joe and Monroe. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Here is how I see it. I love both prospects. But to me you look at the difference in talent from a Tunsil and Ramsey to players in the 2nd and 3rd round of this draft and other drafts. I think Ramsey is probably the most talented safety to come out in 10 years. That said Tunsil is compared to Johnathan Ogden and Tyron Smith. With how great we are at developing offensive linemen I think I would go with Ramsey now and I am changing my pick from what I said earlier... It is a hard decision and I would be happy with either but I think the Ravens really need to address that talent gap to see which player they would rather have.

I love both players and it doesn't really matter because there is essentially no chance both are on the board at 6, but I find quite a few errors in your evaluation. You see Ramsey as being a better prospect coming out than Patrick Peterson who played safety and corner too as well as Earl Thomas, Mathieu? As far as developing offensive lineman, we have done well at guard and have had decent luck at RT, but let's not kid ourselves, LT has been a constant problem since Ogden retired. Oher was a good RT, but outside of him, who did we successfully develop to kid our franchise QB protected? Monroe is middle of the pack in terms of pass protecting when healthy, but that's a big stretch to hope he stays healthy without a good backup. Ramsey will be a face of a defense I feel, but rarely are safeties more valuable than franchise LTs, pass rushers, or lockdown corners.

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Probably because of you record with the O line in forum mock games

Trying to reference the movie again, guess the quote wasn't close enough

[allblackraven]

47 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

Trying to reference the movie again, guess the quote wasn't close enough

Flew over my head, I admit

 

[L.A.Ravens]

One of them will fall to 6.

[trevorsteadman]

I don't care about this Stanley nonsense. If Tunsil is there at 6 you take him. You cannot guess injuries in the NFL. People cannot say Stanley will stay healthier than Tunsil. Tunsil plays aggressive and mean just like we want to get back to doing. He is the best player in the draft he will open up your entire offense. 

[Cillmatic]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't care about this Stanley nonsense. If Tunsil is there at 6 you take him. You cannot guess injuries in the NFL. People cannot say Stanley will stay healthier than Tunsil. Tunsil plays aggressive and mean just like we want to get back to doing. He is the best player in the draft he will open up your entire offense. 

You don't think It's ironic that the same people who complain about Monroe being injury prone yet want us to draft an injury prone player.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Cillmatic

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

You don't think It's ironic that the same people who complain about Monroe being injury prone yet want us to draft an injury prone player.

The problem is Monroe was injury free in Jacksonville and in college. My point is you cannot guess injuries. It sucks that we have had Monroe out 17 games the last 2 seasons but avoiding players that have had injuries in college is so weird. Yes if a guy gets several concussions than avoid him but every other kind of injury it all depends on the game situations and the way the team practices. Monroe is a good tackle, he has got injured but how many games has Terrell Suggs and Ray Lewis been out due to injury over the years? You cannot guess health in the NFL. Stanley will also be a great LT and if Tunsil is gone, Bosa is gone, and Ramsey is gone I would be happy if Stanley was our pick. What irritates me is like with Monroe's situation he had a clean slate his entire career until he came to Baltimore. Injuries suck and we all try to avoid them but if you avoid players that have had injuries that makes no sense.

[ALPHA]

So what happens if both of these guys are busts?