Tunsil or Ramsey

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I agree. He routinely mocks DeForest Buckner to the Ravens (I'm not sure he's changed that for a while) and I vehemently disagree with that.

for me that would be the second worst pick we could make. I feel like he's a project player.

[Deflated Football]

19 minutes ago, cec327 said:

Heavens, you might be correct. I did not check the date on the article. I just did--you are right! I feel like a real dummy. Thanks for pointing it out to me. I am still laughing. No fool like an old fool.

Haha it's cool. Thought a more recent article might have been published and it was true. Had me scared for a second. He's my favorite prospect after Tunsil and Ramsey. 

[Deflated Football]

18 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

In DJ's latest mock, he has it going Tunsil-Ramsey-Bosa (3,4,5)

Dang. DJ's pretty darn good too. In that case, I hope Jack's health issues are behind him and he can have an amazing career here. 

[52520Andrew]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Maybe he'll come around when his name is called on draft night. He'll join our bandwagon.

Always room for people to join

[RaineV1]

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

In DJ's latest mock, he has it going Tunsil-Ramsey-Bosa (3,4,5)

That's kinda how I see it going too. I think the Jaguars used to like Jack, but they might have been scared off by his knee, and they might really like the combination of Bosa and Fowler. If those three are gone, I think the Ravens become very open to the idea of trading down.

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, RaineV1 said:

That's kinda how I see it going too. I think the Jaguars used to like Jack, but they might have been scared off by his knee, and they might really like the combination of Bosa and Fowler. If those three are gone, I think the Ravens become very open to the idea of trading down.

or stay put and Draft Elliot or Jack depending on how your doctor's feel about him.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Either 1 honestly

 Tunsil can protect the QB and give him time to make plays down field and open lanes for the running back granted OL is not a very sexy pick but it sure can be when the offense can keep the defense at bay. Games are won in the trenches.

 

Ramsey can play either CB or S and can make plays on the backend from either position.

So either 1 would be great.

[cec327]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Haha it's cool. Thought a more recent article might have been published and it was true. Had me scared for a second. He's my favorite prospect after Tunsil and Ramsey. 

I remember when Elway said that he wouldn't play for the Colts ( I was a season ticket holder in 1958 and years following. Never liked Elway or Denver since--long memory. I'm glad that I didn't say what I was feeling. Whew! I agree with you on your choices. Thanks.

[numerounopapi]

Ramsey. All day ery day without question. 

[BBoogieMan]

Tunsil's my choice and with Ramsey's (and Jack's) athleticism not possible, get the Cravens kid, please!!! He would be a great consolation 2nd pick, imo!  

[TurkishRaven]

To be honest I would pick Buckner over Ramsey.

 

I don't think Ramsey is a play maker. We need more interceptions. If we want a cb either take VH3 or trade down to pick William Jackson 3.

 

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

That's kinda how I see it going too. I think the Jaguars used to like Jack, but they might have been scared off by his knee, and they might really like the combination of Bosa and Fowler. If those three are gone, I think the Ravens become very open to the idea of trading down.

They now have the combo of Jackson and Fowler. Kinda be overkill.

[ravensdan]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't think Ramsey makes it to us past Dallas, but I say Tunsil. I agree that the Ravens would prefer to go defense and I would as well, but I think they'll take Tunsil over Ramsey if both were there. 

Here's my question. Do you feel Ramsey can be an elite level free safety or elite level FS/corner like mathieu?

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I just don't see it that way. I would be surprised if Jacksonville went anywhere but Jack. I just don't see them taking Bosa. It could happen, but I don't see it. I think Bosa is a Raven if he falls to 5 because I think Jacksonville goes elsewhere. 

This. Gus Bradley has a very specific scheme that requires a specific lineup. After they took fowler last year I just don't see a place for bosa, who is very similar. Jack, however, is the exact kind of player he wants. That speedy coverage LB who is still physical is just what he needs for his front seven to fill out, he was very big on Bobby Wagner who is a similar but seeming lesser version of a myles Jack.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

Here's my question. Do you feel Ramsey can be an elite level free safety or elite level FS/corner like mathieu?

I'd call him the hybrid type. Most safety cb hybrids are more like nickel backs, guys who play safety part time but are more like nickel.corners covering the slot. A safety cb hybrid who actually plays corner and covers the number 1 can allow for a lot of creativity and flexibility.

[RaineV1]

50 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They now have the combo of Jackson and Fowler. Kinda be overkill.

When it comes to passrushers, there's no such thing as overkill.

[ALPHA]

I feel like we're all just cherry picking theories and scenarios that fit our preferred prospects.

[Dewy101]

4 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

for me that would be the second worst pick we could make. I feel like he's a project player.

Tunsil is more of the project player. He's not going to step in day 1 and be good. He's going to have his struggles first couple of seasons

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I feel like we're all just cherry picking theories and scenarios that fit our preferred prospects.

you're absolutely right of course - and the debate is kind of defunct anyway because we shouldn't be debating who we would take but who is the better player because when it comes down to it, the ravens are gonna go bpa so the best player left will be the one we take

- it doesn't matter if tunsil or ramsey are the bigger need because we aren't drafting for need even if it is hard to forget about that aspect of every pick

[rossihunter2]

it's kind of got to the point where there isn't much more to discuss lol, people have their preferred prospects and hopeful outcomes that have been carefully researched and reinforced over months - everyone's mind is set in some way or other

we do really just need thursday night to be here already

[ravensdan]

42 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd call him the hybrid type. Most safety cb hybrids are more like nickel backs, guys who play safety part time but are more like nickel.corners covering the slot. A safety cb hybrid who actually plays corner and covers the number 1 can allow for a lot of creativity and flexibility.

My point being. If you see him as elite at this role. That skill set is getting very very rare. There's not even one guy per year coming out that can be truly elite there. If that's the case that's as rare as QB. That to me puts him at #1

[52520Andrew]

32 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it's kind of got to the point where there isn't much more to discuss lol, people have their preferred prospects and hopeful outcomes that have been carefully researched and reinforced over months - everyone's mind is set in some way or other

we do really just need thursday night to be here already

Truest post on here

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, TurkishRaven said:

I think for us it depends on the position depth in draft. I mean Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack they all are good players and you cannot say one is better than the other. In this case we should be thinking about the next rounds. 

If we think we can land a good DE prospect at 2nd we should pick Tunsil or Stanley with first. Or like FO said during the pre draft meeting if they think they can land a OT at 3rd round we will go defence with first two.

 

Depends on our board. If there are 5 OTs and 20 DEs and 15 CBs and Tunsil is there we get him and hope for the best.

I mean it is difficult, but the best thing to do is look at their body of work and see progress made. Tunsil has been a beast since day 1 and projects to be a Tyron Smith like LT. After him and Stanley, the next best pass protecting LT is Spriggs maybe in the second. I have Conklin as an elite guard at the next level and Decker after Spriggs. Then I think there is a steep drop off. 

This years draft is deep at interior defensive lineman and interior offensive lineman. Outside of that, the talents is really scattered if you ask me. With our needs, a lot of talent at those positions will slip fast heading into the second so I am hoping we nail a very good 1-2 combo.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Tunsil is more of the project player. He's not going to step in day 1 and be good. He's going to have his struggles first couple of seasons

And the award for the most ridiculous comment of the day goes to....

Tunsil might be one of the most polished prospects in the draft and is a day 1 starter

[RaineV1]

6 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I mean it is difficult, but the best thing to do is look at their body of work and see progress made. Tunsil has been a beast since day 1 and projects to be a Tyron Smith like LT. After him and Stanley, the next best pass protecting LT is Spriggs maybe in the second. I have Conklin as an elite guard at the next level and Decker after Spriggs. Then I think there is a steep drop off. 

This years draft is deep at interior defensive lineman and interior offensive lineman. Outside of that, the talents is really scattered if you ask me. With our needs, a lot of talent at those positions will slip fast heading into the second so I am hoping we nail a very good 1-2 combo.

I think it's fairly deep at DB too.

[RavensDieHard21]

31 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think it's fairly deep at DB too.

A lot of solid safeties from Joseph, Bell, Green, to solid corners, some more of projects than others, such as Burns, maybe Fuller, Alexander, etc. I just feel that after VH3, WJIII, and Alexander that the CBs will be major project players.

[KentuckyProud]

Tunsil, without question. I believe Ramsey gets a lot more credit than he deserves. Maybe if he stayed at one position in college and improved I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Not having to worry about LT for the next 10+ and the rest of Flacco's career sounds like a no-brainer to me. People like to downplay the role of LT because guys lineup all over the place, but LT still protects the blindside. Choosing between the two is a great problem to have, but I've got to go with Tunsil on this one.

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

When it comes to passrushers, there's no such thing as overkill.

When you're picking five and have bigger needs, it is.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Tunsil is more of the project player. He's not going to step in day 1 and be good. He's going to have his struggles first couple of seasons

I just don't see how you can post this and be serious. Do you have any evidence to show that tunsil isn't ready to step in day 1? And pointing out the recent busts at LT is not evidence of tunsil If that's the route you planned on taking.

[ravensnj]

I believe we have to go with the tackle,Tunsil. It's hard to pass up a player at a position it cost a king's ransom to get in free agency. If all goes well throughout the next 10 years, we probably won't have an opportunity draft this high and land a premium tackle. Decent tackles don't fall into the later part of the first round. Ramsey, although a beast, is in a position that covers and can be helped by others. Left tackles save your Qb and your 100 plus million dollar investment. However, I want my dominant defense back, so I want Ramsey, along with a couple of young OLB's to rush the passer and get some coverage sacks. So, Monroe needs step it up and stay healthy, we need ya!