Tunsil or Ramsey

[L.A.Ravens]

On Nfl network today they had a draft going on. They had us taking Tunsil. Jalen Ramsey went 8th to Cleveland, and the Buce taking Bosa. Would you be happy with the pick of Tunsil over Ramsey or would you take Ramsey and take a tackle in the second or mid rounds. Flacco needs protection. Flacco lights it up with protection like he did during the super bowl run. That line played unbelievably good. We need secondary help. Unless we trade back up into the first into the high 20s we wouldn't be taking a CB. There's to many teams at the bottom of the first that need secondary help.

[RavensFanMania]

Tunsil is my highest rated player in the draft and I think you have to go Tunsil at 6 if both are on the clock.  That being said, if Ozzie went Ramsey, I'd still be very much on board as I believe Ramsey is a swiss army knife type player that can be used very much like Mathieu is being used in AZ. 

[rmw10]

I'll go Ramsey, but wouldn't be upset either way. If by some miracle both are available, I think the Ravens would prefer to go defense. 

[RavensFanMania]

6 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'll go Ramsey, but wouldn't be upset either way. If by some miracle both are available, I think the Ravens would prefer to go defense. 

I think you may be right.

[RavensDieHard21]

I see Tunsil being more valuable in the long haul, but Ramsey is a great pick too. I see him at a hybrid Mathieu like player that can cover, tackle, and blitz. I don't envision him ever becoming a strict shut down cover corner, but you never know it could happen. Joe's protection after an injury is paramount so if I were Ozzie I would have to take Tunsil.

[Maryland]

I've heard that the Ravens love Ramsey, but I have not heard much said about their feelings on Tunsil. 

I, personally, would prefer Tunsil, but you can't go wrong either way. They're the #1 and #2 prospects in this draft. 

[RaineV1]

I think Tunsil is probably the only person they'd take over the top defensive players in the draft. He'd likely be the pick if he's there.

[trevorsteadman]

Tunsil.. Our running game was 26th in the league last year and we lost Osemele... Don't think that makes that situation any better. Plus we need to make use of Wallace and Perriman because Smith may struggle coming back. We already upgraded the safety position. Tunsil is one of the highest rated tackles I have seen come out since Johnathan Ogden. If the Ravens make 4th and 5th rounders starters think of what they could do with the highest rated player in the draft.

[Maryland]

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Tunsil.. Our running game was 26th in the league last year and we lost Osemele... Don't think that makes that situation any better. Plus we need to make use of Wallace and Perriman because Smith may struggle coming back. We already upgraded the safety position. Tunsil is one of the highest rated tackles I have seen come out since Johnathan Ogden. If the Ravens make 4th and 5th rounders starters think of what they could do with the highest rated player in the draft.

Honestly, under Trestman, our running game will probably never be very prolific because it's not what he does best.

I wish I could find the specific article, but I remember reading that Trestman's offenses have always been bottom-half of the league in rushing yds per game. 

[ellicottraven]

If this scenario plays out, and it is possible if Buckner, Bosa and Jack go to the Chargers, Cowboys and Jacksonville, I believe I'll faint in anticipation! I have no clue what the Ravens will do man. On the one hand I salivate at the prospect of either of them as a solitary choice available to us. But, if both are available, I still think we should go Tunsil as he is a generational LT who would instantly improve QB and RB play for the Ravens. Ramsey would help, but if we don't have a pass rush, there is not much any DB can do. So Tunsil over Ramsey for me.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm going to go Ramsey because he can do it all in the secondary and that carries more weight to me.

Miller, Mack, and all the other "elite" edge rushers rushed from the right side more than 60% of the time, so Tunsil doesn't carry as much value. Add in the increasing emphasis on interior pressure and it doesn't bode as well for him.

[Dewy101]

59 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm going to go Ramsey because he can do it all in the secondary and that carries more weight to me.

Miller, Mack, and all the other "elite" edge rushers rushed from the right side more than 60% of the time, so Tunsil doesn't carry as much value. Add in the increasing emphasis on interior pressure and it doesn't bode as well for him.

Glad someone understands what I've been trying to explain for a long time now lol. I'd still take someone like Buckner and Bosa over Ramsey though. 

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Glad someone understands what I've been trying to explain for a long time now lol. I'd still take someone like Buckner and Bosa over Ramsey though. 

I would definitively not take Buckner and I'm still leaning toward Ramsey; however, I will admit that the lack of pass rushing depth has me worriee.

[usmccharles]

Is anyone here worried about Tunsil's injury history?

[Maryland]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Is anyone here worried about Tunsil's injury history?

They seem like freak injuries and a dumb impermissible benefits suspension are the main reasons he missed time.

Sprained knee, partially-torn bicep, fractured fibula and dislocated ankle--those aren't really injuries I worry about. If he has paper hamstrings, a bad back, degenerative ligament issues, concussion history, or a badly-injured knee, then I worry.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm going to go Ramsey because he can do it all in the secondary and that carries more weight to me.

Miller, Mack, and all the other "elite" edge rushers rushed from the right side more than 60% of the time, so Tunsil doesn't carry as much value. Add in the increasing emphasis on interior pressure and it doesn't bode as well for him.

The top edge rushers usually just go after the tackle that's considered the worse pass blocker of the two, which is usually the RT. However in the Ravens' case, if it's Hurst at LT and Wagner at RT, they'd probably lineup against Hurst.

[usmccharles]

26 minutes ago, Maryland said:

They seem like freak injuries and a dumb impermissible benefits suspension are the main reasons he missed time.

Sprained knee, partially-torn bicep, fractured fibula and dislocated ankle--those aren't really injuries I worry about. If he has paper hamstrings, a bad back, degenerative ligament issues, concussion history, or a badly-injured knee, then I worry.

I hear ya, but the randomness of the injuries kind of scares me.  Just like one of those injury plagued guys that something is always going on with.  I think of Camp

[Maryland]

52 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I hear ya, but the randomness of the injuries kind of scares me.  Just like one of those injury plagued guys that something is always going on with.  I think of Camp

But it's true though that he did manage to get dinged-up somewhat often. Okung is a guy who is always injured, even if it's from random stuff like ankle sprains and turf-toe

/as I think about it, it actually wouldn't surprise me all that much if Tunsil has a career similar to Okung if he doesn't pan out to be the perennial pro-bowler everyone projects him to be

Edited April 25, 2016 by Maryland

[ALI624]

Ramsey. It is known.

[usmccharles]

52 minutes ago, Maryland said:

But it's true though that he did manage to get dinged-up somewhat often. Okung is a guy who is always injured, even if it's from random stuff like ankle sprains and turf-toe

/as I think about it, it actually wouldn't surprise me all that much if Tunsil has a career similar to Okung if he doesn't pan out to be the perennial pro-bowler everyone projects him to be

And those braces make him look worse, I knows just perception but it scares me lol

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Maryland said:

Honestly, under Trestman, our running game will probably never be very prolific because it's not what he does best.

I wish I could find the specific article, but I remember reading that Trestman's offenses have always been bottom-half of the league in rushing yds per game. 

Passing isn't what kubiak does best but flacco had by far his best season under him.

[ALPHA]

Does anyone see Tunsil or Ramsey dropping to us?

[JoeyFlex5]

40 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Does anyone see Tunsil or Ramsey dropping to us?

Tunsil seems more likely, which is better for us anyway. If SD passes on tunsil I think he's ours, that's a big IF though

[trevorsteadman]

7 hours ago, Maryland said:

Honestly, under Trestman, our running game will probably never be very prolific because it's not what he does best.

I wish I could find the specific article, but I remember reading that Trestman's offenses have always been bottom-half of the league in rushing yds per game. 

Yeah but it still can be improved. That 26th rushing in the league scares me when that was behind both Yanda and Osemele and now Osemele is gone. There are a lot of short passes and screen you could almost consider as part of the run game because the running backs catch and run quickly. I just think the offensive line struggles the first few weeks. I want Ramsey because he is more fun to watch than an OL but I think Tunsil will help the entire offense start going. That is why I choose Tunsil. 

[ALPHA]

54 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tunsil seems more likely, which is better for us anyway. If SD passes on tunsil I think he's ours, that's a big IF though

The Boys would pass but Jacksonville might want a long term solution at LT, in any case they might be willing to trade Joekel, not saying he's the answer for us but he was improving last season and is more durable than Monroe.

[trevorsteadman]

17 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

The Boys would pass but Jacksonville might want a long term solution at LT, in any case they might be willing to trade Joekel, not saying he's the answer for us but he was improving last season and is more durable than Monroe.

Exactly what I said the Jags may not want to resign Joeckel after his mediocre play there in Jacksonville they may draft Tunsil and just play him elsewhere his rookie year.

[itscbm5042]

Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa - in that order and its looking more and more likely that any of those 3 could fall to us. Ramsey was a pipe dream and now he seems like a 50/50 shot of being there. Ramsey is the exciting pick, Tunsil is the value pick. Both help the Ravens but I agree they want to go D if they can.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think Ramsey makes it to us past Dallas, but I say Tunsil. I agree that the Ravens would prefer to go defense and I would as well, but I think they'll take Tunsil over Ramsey if both were there. 

[AnthonyGames]

Monroe at LT, Jensen LG, Zuttah C, Yanda RG, Tunsil RT. Urschel as center and guard depth, and Rick Wagner as tackle depth is really solid on paper! We will most likely add another guard and/or tackle via the draft, too. 

If Monroe gets hurt again, simply put Tunsil at LT and Wagner at RT. 

Add our rotation of TEs into the equation... I honestly think we will have the best group of TEs in the NFL if Pitta can come back. (Pitta, Watson, Gilmore, and Maxx Williams!)

 

[Tyler]

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't think Ramsey makes it to us past Dallas, but I say Tunsil. I agree that the Ravens would prefer to go defense and I would as well, but I think they'll take Tunsil over Ramsey if both were there. 

I would have agreed with you a few days ago, but I'm really starting to buy into the Bosa to Dallas hype. In my opinion, that's the rumor that has been picking up the most steam. We will see.