First Round Reaches

[allblackraven]

35 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

@allblackraven We found you some company on the Derrick Henry bandwagon, just scroll up

Two man train now!

19 minutes ago, Ravens559 said:

yea now everyone else needs to board on lol

Good luck with that...

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Ravens559 said:

Alabama RB Derrick Henry is the Next Eddie George type RB that we must draft to maximize our run game and help wear down defenses and to keep our defense fully fresh to wreak havoc.. as For BYU DE Bronson Kaufusi he has alot of athleticism at 6-6 285 and high football IQ to have an immediate impact

Derrick Henry is not like Eddie George. Eddie George got low and ran behind his pads to punish people, Derrick Henry is a straight line sprinter who runs upright, he is another Brandon Jacobs at best and his career will last about the same amount of time. 

[Winchester]

20 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

Yes, you can get a very vague idea about someone's main skills but you definitely need more to suggest he can keep it up on a consistent basis (because that's what you're expecting your first rounder to do: being consistent, excelling in one specific area).
I wonder which are the traits you (and others) saw in the Colorado St game that make you think he's worth a day 1 pick (also because Colo St is not a 'quality opponent, in this case, which doesn't help your cause). 
There's not much to see imo.. he was dropped into zone coverage or spying for half of the game and asked to rush the QB on 13 of 17 clear passing plays. That's a quite small sample size to determine whether a player has to be taken that high or not. Then, if you just trust Mayock because he ranked him as the #5 OLB it's reasonable: we don't have as much material as those guys nor time, so we have to trust their words sometimes. But here I just don't see the traits of a top 5 pass-rusher or coverage guy (it was zone, and barely any receiver in the area). 

To be honest in have not watched him take one step. I'm just saying in general sometimes you can get a fast handle

[BMoreDuck]

Jack and Bosa are reaches as top 5 picks imo. I think Bosa could be good as long as a team that runs a 4-3 gets him. He's a 4-3 open end or possibly even a 3 tech.

Jack is that guy who climbs the board every year because of his athleticism and combine numbers. Then ESPN hypes him up because they watched a limited amount of film on him and then all of the sudden he's a "can't miss" prospect. Lol. Watch full games, not just highlights. He's not a top 10 pick in this draft. I think he's a mid to late 1st Rd pick without his injury. With the injury, I wouldn't touch him with a 1st Rd pick, let alone pk6.

As far as complete reaches, if some team takes Nkemdiche in the 1st rd, they are getting screwed. He's definitely a reach in the 1st rd. I remember a lot of people around here were salivating at getting him in the top 10. Just goes to show that TV and mock drafts can easily influence people. The guy did nothing in college.

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, zuilyas said:

Taylor Decker- From what I've seen, translates more to a RT than a LT, but teams tend to overdraft at that position, so I think he may get drafted ahead of where he's projected to go

He's got the best footwork in the class. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's got the best footwork in the class. 

Huh? I don't think Decker has better footwork than Tunsil or Stanley. Both are better with their feet. 

[BmoreBird22]

19 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Huh? I don't think Decker has better footwork than Tunsil or Stanley. Both are better with their feet. 

I don't know, Decker has really excellent footwork and he's had to adjust it for three different style quarterbacks in Miller, Jones, and Barrett, whether it be read option or five and seven step drops. 

[Dubs]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't know, Decker has really excellent footwork and he's had to adjust it for three different style quarterbacks in Miller, Jones, and Barrett, whether it be read option or five and seven step drops. 

I've always been pretty skeptical on his footwork...his base placement seems pretty thin and imo his feet are way to close together to have a strong base to anchor, add that with his relatively tall play and he may have some issues. I may look back now as it was a while back I watched any videos on him but at the time I don't remember being too keened up.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Dubs said:

I've always been pretty skeptical on his footwork...his base placement seems pretty thin and imo his feet are way to close together to have a strong base to anchor, add that with his relatively tall play and he may have some issues. I may look back now as it was a while back I watched any videos on him but at the time I don't remember being too keened up.

He plays tall, but I don't think of him as being someone who cannot anchor. 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, Dubs said:

I've always been pretty skeptical on his footwork...his base placement seems pretty thin and imo his feet are way to close together to have a strong base to anchor, add that with his relatively tall play and he may have some issues. I may look back now as it was a while back I watched any videos on him but at the time I don't remember being too keened up.

for me he projects more as a guard, particularly in his first year which will help cover up some of his footwork deficiencies but I seem him as a worse version of andrus peat from the 2015 draft but he'll get drafted at a similar position i think

[rossihunter2]

also - for me literally any receiver taken in the first round - any of the wideouts or hunter henry are all reaches - i know everybody says it's a bad class but i genuinely don't think a single one of them is worthy of a first round grade - if those were my only options at the end of the first i'd be trading back

[BMoreDuck]

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

also - for me literally any receiver taken in the first round - any of the wideouts or hunter henry are all reaches - i know everybody says it's a bad class but i genuinely don't think a single one of them is worthy of a first round grade - if those were my only options at the end of the first i'd be trading back

Agreed. Treadwell is the best receiver in the class, but he's not a future #1 receiver imo. He'll most likely end up as a possession receiver. He has good size, good hands, good body control, decent athleticism, but he lacks top end speed. He's maybe worth a late 1st Rd pick if a team is in dire need of a receiver, but I wouldn't grade him out as a 1st rounder.

[ALPHA]

56 minutes ago, BMoreDuck said:

Agreed. Treadwell is the best receiver in the class, but he's not a future #1 receiver imo. He'll most likely end up as a possession receiver. He has good size, good hands, good body control, decent athleticism, but he lacks top end speed. He's maybe worth a late 1st Rd pick if a team is in dire need of a receiver, but I wouldn't grade him out as a 1st rounder.

He's a better prospect than Boldin was.