First Round Reaches

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Bro what prospect do you like? Ramsey is as close to a perfect prospect as you can get. All I hear from you on these boards is what you don't like. You have an issue with every single prospect and while I get nobody is perfect you seem like you enjoy picking at each prospect's flaws so that you can say I told you so if they bust later...

I dont like buckner at 6th overall and I don't see Ramsey as a perfect prospect(which he is far from, but I've still made it abundantly clear that I'm a fan) so that means I don't like anyone? I don't think you have the slightest clue what the hell youre talking about.

[Davesta]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i also wanna throw in ramsey, i definitely see a top 10 talent, but not top 5. he is purely athletic projection at this point and nothing more, a guy with that immense athleticism playing a position where coverage is supposed to be your top priority.. well he has a scary lack of true production. he hasnt forced turnovers, he is inconsistent in coverage and gets beaten deep far too often. i like ramsey, love his swagger and confidence, and obviously he is a good player he just may need some fine tuning, but as it stands right now hes often projected 3rd or 4th overall, and if were basing this on actual current ability to produce, id say the earliest he should go is 6th to us.

This. I don't see what all the hype is about. He got all the talent in the world, but for the hype to go #1 even? Not sure about that

[trevorsteadman]

19 minutes ago, Davesta said:

This. I don't see what all the hype is about. He got all the talent in the world, but for the hype to go #1 even? Not sure about that

I'm gonna say this again how often does a DB go top 5? Very rarely. Teams can see this season there are going to be some great corners at the top of round 2, which to me I think drops Ramsey's stock just because yes he is good and clearly the #1 in this class.... But if you are able to get Alexander or Burns in the 2nd round and another amazing talented player in the first might overall be stronger. This is why I think Ramsey falls past the Chargers and Cowboys. Chargers will go Tunsil or Buckner and the Cowboys will go Bosa or Jack. The only threat I see to the Ravens of getting Ramsey is Jacksonville and they are on record wanting to go front seven over secondary. A lot of mocks have him falling to us and I wouldn't be surprised.

[flynismo]

Whoever CLE drafts

[flynismo]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I dont like buckner at 6th overall and I don't see Ramsey as a perfect prospect(which he is far from, but I've still made it abundantly clear that I'm a fan) so that means I don't like anyone? I don't think you have the slightest clue what the hell youre talking about.

I agree with both those assessments. In fact, I think Ramsey has a pretty good chance of not living up anywhere near the hype. Not necessarily a bust, more along the lines of expecting to get Chris McAlister but instead getting Samari Rolle. But if he goes to the right team, he's got a great chance of being the perennial All Pro everyone thinks he will be

Edited April 23, 2016 by flynismo

[Winchester]

11 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

LOL.. Correa?! Who graded that high?
There just aren't enough tapes available; the only one, Colorado St, is even quite bad.

I couldn't even seriously judge him. You must have at veeery least 3 tapes to get an indication of someone's skills.

I'd go with Goff and Ragland if he goes in the top 15. I have him at #11.

Sometimes you can get a handle on a guy's talents in one game especially  a quality opponent. It is all about what traits you look for and value.  Sometimes it may take several  games.

[Cillmatic]

14 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree that outside of Treadwell, no receivers are really worth a pick in the first round, especially the one trick pony Fuller lmao 

Deja vu?

Edited April 23, 2016 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

27 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Deja vu?

If you're referring to torrey, I must say, I think fuller is better. He's a one trick pony but he's Damn good at that one trick

[Italian Raven]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

Sometimes you can get a handle on a guy's talents in one game especially  a quality opponent. It is all about what traits you look for and value.  Sometimes it may take several  games.

Yes, you can get a very vague idea about someone's main skills but you definitely need more to suggest he can keep it up on a consistent basis (because that's what you're expecting your first rounder to do: being consistent, excelling in one specific area).
I wonder which are the traits you (and others) saw in the Colorado St game that make you think he's worth a day 1 pick (also because Colo St is not a 'quality opponent, in this case, which doesn't help your cause). 
There's not much to see imo.. he was dropped into zone coverage or spying for half of the game and asked to rush the QB on 13 of 17 clear passing plays. That's a quite small sample size to determine whether a player has to be taken that high or not. Then, if you just trust Mayock because he ranked him as the #5 OLB it's reasonable: we don't have as much material as those guys nor time, so we have to trust their words sometimes. But here I just don't see the traits of a top 5 pass-rusher or coverage guy (it was zone, and barely any receiver in the area). 

[Cillmatic]

46 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If you're referring to torrey, I must say, I think fuller is better. He's a one trick pony but he's Damn good at that one trick

Was referring to Perriman.

[Jacquouille]

18 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Was referring to Perriman.

Perriman is at least faster and stronger than Fuller.

[KBoum]

Vonn Bell, Chris Jones, 

 

They might all end up in the 1st round. They aren't reaches really but nobody saw them in the 1st round in the last 2 months. Very good players. Stock on the rise.

 

Deion Jones might be a reach in the late 1st I know Minnesota LOVES cover 3 LB and Lee would be a perfect fit but I doubt he gets past the Falcons so if the Vikings aren't in love with the WRs like nobody seems to like them, they could trade back a bit.

[Jacquouille]

17 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Vonn Bell, Chris Jones, 

 

They might all end up in the 1st round. They aren't reaches really but nobody saw them in the 1st round in the last 2 months. Very good players. Stock on the rise.

 

Deion Jones might be a reach in the late 1st I know Minnesota LOVES cover 3 LB and Lee would be a perfect fit but I doubt he gets past the Falcons so if the Vikings aren't in love with the WRs like nobody seems to like them, they could trade back a bit.

Nah, I think they would love a big bodied guy to go with Diggs, Treadwell or Doctson seem taylor made for them.

[VeiledPsychosis]

The QBs immediately after Wentz and Goff (and one could easily make the argument that both of them are reaches as well) will probably be reached on. I could see someone reaching mightily on Lynch (Cough, cough, Bears (call me crazy but I wouldn't be surprised)) and Cook (anywhere higher than the 3rd is a big reach) and don't get me started on Hackenberg.

Conklin - I can't see him ever being anything more than a guard or right tackle. Every game that I watch of his against reasonable competition he just gets pushed around and ends up on his butt.

Doctson and Fuller - Some recently have had Doctson as the first receiver off the board in the teens and I don't see that at all. I don't think Fuller's ceiling is very high, I can see him being similar to Torrey but I don't see a very well rounded WR.

William Jackson - his huge rise following the combine just recently has me scratching my head. He's athletic and has potential but I wouldn't take him above some other CBs.

And I'll throw Ramsey in here - I've never been super high on him, best safety in the class no doubt - head and shoulders above the others - but I don't like him in the top 5 or even at 6. I don't see a guy that could play S or CB, I just see a S that played a bit at CB for his college team but shouldn't at the next level. Keep him at S and he's a great player, try to draft him and plug him into CB and I don't see him panning out.

Edited April 24, 2016 by VeiledPsychosis

[VeiledPsychosis]

On 4/23/2016 at 8:07 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I dont like buckner at 6th overall and I don't see Ramsey as a perfect prospect(which he is far from, but I've still made it abundantly clear that I'm a fan) so that means I don't like anyone? I don't think you have the slightest clue what the hell youre talking about.

Not to mention this is pretty much a thread to specifically say who you don't like as much as their hype would indicate.

[GrimCoconut]

11 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

The QBs immediately after Wentz and Goff (and one could easily make the argument that both of them are reaches as well) will probably be reached on. I could see someone reaching mightily on Lynch (Cough, cough, Bears (call me crazy but I wouldn't be surprised)) and Cook (anywhere higher than the 3rd is a big reach) and don't get me started on Hackenberg.

Conklin - I can't see him ever being anything more than a guard or right tackle. Every game that I watch of his against reasonable competition he just gets pushed around and ends up on his butt.

Doctson and Fuller - Some recently have had Doctson as the first receiver off the board in the teens and I don't see that at all. I don't think Fuller's ceiling is very high, I can see him being similar to Torrey but I don't see a very well rounded WR.

William Jackson - his huge rise following the combine just recently has me scratching my head. He's athletic and has potential but I wouldn't take him above some other CBs.

And I'll throw Ramsey in here - I've never been super high on him, best safety in the class no doubt - head and shoulders above the others - but I don't like him in the top 5 or even at 6. I don't see a guy that could play S or CB, I just see a S that played a bit at CB for his college team but shouldn't at the next level. Keep him at S and he's a great player, try to draft him and plug him into CB and I don't see him panning out.

Did you watch Michigan State VS Alabama? He played great in that game.

[VeiledPsychosis]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Did you watch Michigan State VS Alabama? He played great in that game.

Ya think so? My take aways from that game were completely different. Ryan Anderson manhandled him and outside of that he wasn't taking on any of their great pass rushers. I'll go back and watch again but when I saw that game live and his breakdown afterwards I wasn't impressed at all.

[Cville-Raven]

I have a good feeling that will fuller goes to a team like Houston in the 20s. 

[Cville-Raven]

15 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Perriman is at least faster and stronger than Fuller.

Not to mention he plays bigger. 

[Ravens559]

look all i got to say is Draft Alabama RB Derrick Henry  and draft BYU DE Bronson Kaufusi ...

[Ravens559]

oh yea also Michigan State DE Shilique Calhoun and Houston ILB Elandon Roberts

[JoeyFlex5]

57 minutes ago, Ravens559 said:

look all i got to say is Draft Alabama RB Derrick Henry  and draft BYU DE Bronson Kaufusi ...

Why?

[ludy51]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why?

Maybe he likes them as prospects? Why else?

[Maryland]

18 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If you're referring to torrey, I must say, I think fuller is better. He's a one trick pony but he's Damn good at that one trick

Fuller reminds me a lot of Mike Wallace actually. Very fast body-catcher with the same skinny build

[Ravens559]

13 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

Maybe he likes them as prospects? Why else?

 lmao XD

[Ravens559]

9 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Fuller reminds me a lot of Mike Wallace actually. Very fast body-catcher with the same skinny build

yea he does remind me of Wallace too

[Ravens559]

59 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why?

Alabama RB Derrick Henry is the Next Eddie George type RB that we must draft to maximize our run game and help wear down defenses and to keep our defense fully fresh to wreak havoc.. as For BYU DE Bronson Kaufusi he has alot of athleticism at 6-6 285 and high football IQ to have an immediate impact

Edited April 24, 2016 by Ravens559
bad grammar

[52520Andrew]

@allblackraven We found you some company on the Derrick Henry bandwagon, just scroll up

[zuilyas]

Taylor Decker- From what I've seen, translates more to a RT than a LT, but teams tend to overdraft at that position, so I think he may get drafted ahead of where he's projected to go

Eli Apple- Athletic, but very raw. 

Artie Burns- Hate to say this as a 'Canes fan, but Burns is not a 1st round pick. Like Apple, physically gifted. Also has good hands for a corner, but awful technique. Was coached by the worst coaching staff in all of college football, so there's a lot of room to grow

Paxton Lynch- Similar to Decker in that teams covet his position, so he could be drafted higher than he should be, when he's a developmental player whose value is more in the 2nd round

others: Will Fuller, Reggie Ragland, a Gator other than VH3

 

[Ravens559]

9 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

@allblackraven We found you some company on the Derrick Henry bandwagon, just scroll up

yea now everyone else needs to board on lol

1 minute ago, zuilyas said:

Taylor Decker- From what I've seen, translates more to a RT than a LT, but teams tend to overdraft at that position, so I think he may get drafted ahead of where he's projected to go

Eli Apple- Athletic, but very raw. 

Artie Burns- Hate to say this as a 'Canes fan, but Burns is not a 1st round pick. Like Apple, physically gifted. Also has good hands for a corner, but awful technique. Was coached by the worst coaching staff in all of college football, so there's a lot of room to grow

Paxton Lynch- Similar to Decker in that teams covet his position, so he could be drafted higher than he should be, when he's a developmental player whose value is more in the 2nd round

others: Will Fuller, Reggie Ragland, a Gator other than VH3

 

i agree with all of the above expect lynch... Paxton Lynch in my eyes is worth a top 5 pick.... Top 5 QB's in 2016 Draft

1. Paxton Lynch-Top 5 Pick

2. Jared Goff - Top 5 PIck

3.Carson Wentz - Top 10 Pick

4. Kevin Hogan -Top 30 Pick

5.Dake Prescott - Top 40 Pick