First Round Reaches

[RaineV1]

Every year there are players taken way before they probably should be and this year will likely be no exception. Some of these players will end up playing up to their draft status, while others become busts. What reaches do you think will happen?

The first one that comes to mind is Correa. Teams reach for athletic edge rushers pretty often. While I like Correa as a player, taking him in the first seems like a major reach since he probably isn't ready to be the main edge rusher for a team right off the back.

Edited April 22, 2016 by RaineV1

[Kinda_Dante]

I think someone will end up taking Buckner, and Paxton Lynch way too early.

[trevorsteadman]

Eli Apple... Biggest bust in the draft. Almost guaranteed.

[Jaybirds]

I'll say it:  Robert Nkemdiche gets taken in the first, spends his bonus money on parties and panthers, and ends up on the field about as often as Josh Gordon. 

[rmw10]

Correa was the first one that came to my mind. I like him, but not 1st round like him. 

[TurkishRaven]

Goff and Wentz 

[Italian Raven]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Correa was the first one that came to my mind. I like him, but not 1st round like him. 

LOL.. Correa?! Who graded that high?
There just aren't enough tapes available; the only one, Colorado St, is even quite bad.

I couldn't even seriously judge him. You must have at veeery least 3 tapes to get an indication of someone's skills.

I'd go with Goff and Ragland if he goes in the top 15. I have him at #11.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Italian Raven said:

LOL.. Correa?! Who graded that high?
There just aren't enough tapes available; the only one, Colorado St, is even quite bad.

I couldn't even seriously judge him. You must have at veeery least 3 tapes to get an indication of someone's skills.

I'd go with Goff and Ragland if he goes in the top 15. I have him at #11.

There are some that believe the Colts and Jets are both very high on Correa and could take him round 1. He's a 3rd rounder to me. 

[Italian Raven]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

There are some that believe the Colts and Jets are both very high on Correa and could take him round 1. He's a 3rd rounder to me. 

I was also putting him in a late day2 consideration.. but even then, material is lacking. 

[RayRocks]

I have Correa as an early 2nd round pick and would actually love him at our pick if we don't get an edge rusher (Bosa) in the first round.  He's extremely athletic, explosive and versatile, but he's a bit raw.

I think some team will reach on Shaq Lawson, but I also have him as a second round pick so anything in the first is a reach for him.

[JoeyFlex5]

id be surprised to see correa taken in the first. 

 

if apple is drafted in the first its a huge reach, i think its a reach anywhere, he is a athletic specimen and nothing more and has no idea how to actually cover someone. buckner is gonna go top 10 but i think hes more of a late teens early 20s kind of talent. whoever the first wr off the board ends up being ill say is a first round reach, treadwell, coleman, doctson, fuller, none of them are first round talents imo, except for maybe tread by slim margin.

[JoeyFlex5]

i also wanna throw in ramsey, i definitely see a top 10 talent, but not top 5. he is purely athletic projection at this point and nothing more, a guy with that immense athleticism playing a position where coverage is supposed to be your top priority.. well he has a scary lack of true production. he hasnt forced turnovers, he is inconsistent in coverage and gets beaten deep far too often. i like ramsey, love his swagger and confidence, and obviously he is a good player he just may need some fine tuning, but as it stands right now hes often projected 3rd or 4th overall, and if were basing this on actual current ability to produce, id say the earliest he should go is 6th to us.

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i also wanna throw in ramsey, i definitely see a top 10 talent, but not top 5. he is purely athletic projection at this point and nothing more, a guy with that immense athleticism playing a position where coverage is supposed to be your top priority.. well he has a scary lack of true production. he hasnt forced turnovers, he is inconsistent in coverage and gets beaten deep far too often. i like ramsey, love his swagger and confidence, and obviously he is a good player he just may need some fine tuning, but as it stands right now hes often projected 3rd or 4th overall, and if were basing this on actual current ability to produce, id say the earliest he should go is 6th to us.

Good points.  Maybe I'm not entirely crazy to think someone may take VH3 ahead of us instead of Ramsey, purely from a CB production point of view.  Prone to exaggeration maybe, but perhaps not crazy. 

[ellicottraven]

To me Stanley is a reach if we do pick him like McShay predicts. It'll really be a shame because we may be able to trade back and still land him.

[Kinda_Dante]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i also wanna throw in ramsey, i definitely see a top 10 talent, but not top 5. he is purely athletic projection at this point and nothing more, a guy with that immense athleticism playing a position where coverage is supposed to be your top priority.. well he has a scary lack of true production. he hasnt forced turnovers, he is inconsistent in coverage and gets beaten deep far too often. i like ramsey, love his swagger and confidence, and obviously he is a good player he just may need some fine tuning, but as it stands right now hes often projected 3rd or 4th overall, and if were basing this on actual current ability to produce, id say the earliest he should go is 6th to us.

I'll give you the fact that he hasn't forced many turnovers but I don't really remember him getting beat deep. I felt like shadowed receivers very well, and my only knock on him was that he turned his head a split second too late to get picks but he would still usually get the pass defense.

Edited April 22, 2016 by Kinda_Dante

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, Kinda_Dante said:

I'll give you the fact that he hasn't forced many turnovers but I don't really remember him getting beat deep. I felt like shadowed receivers very well, and my only knock on him was that he turned his head a split second too late to get picks but he would still usually get the pass defense.

he would get beat but it ended in a lot of overthrows, i guess qb's were just scared of his presence so they heaved the hell out of it, but he has given up 2 steps way downfield more than im comfortable with to call him this elite talent that everyone else claims he is. again though, i like ramsey, i like him for us, i just think he needs work.

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

he would get beat but it ended in a lot of overthrows, i guess qb's were just scared of his presence so they heaved the hell out of it, but he has given up 2 steps way downfield more than im comfortable with to call him this elite talent that everyone else claims he is. again though, i like ramsey, i like him for us, i just think he needs work.

Well yeah I don't think there any prospects without flaws... is there any games you would recommend watching where I can see him getting beat cause I honestly don't remember seeing it.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

Well yeah I don't think there any prospects without flaws... is there any games you would recommend watching where I can see him getting beat cause I honestly don't remember seeing it.

id have to go look at the film again but i recall him getting beat deep against miami a few times, one play he turned his head way early and gave up like 3 yards of separation on the sideline and it ended in a touchdown. a couple more of them were overthrown. its not like he has ever just gotten abused, its just inconsistencies in his game that make me pause when talking about him as the possible first overall pick before the trade.

[Edgar]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i also wanna throw in ramsey, i definitely see a top 10 talent, but not top 5. he is purely athletic projection at this point and nothing more, a guy with that immense athleticism playing a position where coverage is supposed to be your top priority.. well he has a scary lack of true production. he hasnt forced turnovers, he is inconsistent in coverage and gets beaten deep far too often. i like ramsey, love his swagger and confidence, and obviously he is a good player he just may need some fine tuning, but as it stands right now hes often projected 3rd or 4th overall, and if were basing this on actual current ability to produce, id say the earliest he should go is 6th to us.

I agree and have been saying the same for awhile. Folks act as if this guy will come to your team and singlehandedly fix not only your secondary but as a consequence, the entire defense.

He would help us,no doubt but he is not at all this transcendent generational talent. He is not a shutdown corner. Not a particularly interested tackler. His strength at this point is in his versatility and you need to know how you are going to use him.

 

[Kinda_Dante]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

id have to go look at the film again but i recall him getting beat deep against miami a few times, one play he turned his head way early and gave up like 3 yards of separation on the sideline and it ended in a touchdown. a couple more of them were overthrown. its not like he has ever just gotten abused, its just inconsistencies in his game that make me pause when talking about him as the possible first overall pick before the trade.

Oh ok I get you. I'll try to see if I can watch that Miami game.

[Maryland]

I could see Correa disappointing early like Dee Ford if he's a 1st rounder.

Lynch will probably be overdrafted now, despite having bad accuracy and coming from a gimmicky college offense. And if any other QBs go round 1, that's a reach.

Coleman and Fuller both seem like they have bad hands and shouldn't be 1st rounders imo, and Coleman doesn't have experience with complex routes.

Darron Lee reminds me of Arthur Brown

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, RayRocks said:

I have Correa as an early 2nd round pick and would actually love him at our pick if we don't get an edge rusher (Bosa) in the first round.  He's extremely athletic, explosive and versatile, but he's a bit raw.

I think some team will reach on Shaq Lawson, but I also have him as a second round pick so anything in the first is a reach for him.

Logic? 12 sacks and 22.5 TFL and was graded as one of the best run defenders in college football. With an above average IQ and instincts to accompany a full arsenal of pass rushing moves, how in the world would he have a second round grade? 

[RavensDieHard21]

I agree that outside of Treadwell, no receivers are really worth a pick in the first round, especially the one trick pony Fuller lmao 

[Winchester]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he would get beat but it ended in a lot of overthrows, i guess qb's were just scared of his presence so they heaved the hell out of it, but he has given up 2 steps way downfield more than im comfortable with to call him this elite talent that everyone else claims he is. again though, i like ramsey, i like him for us, i just think he needs work.

Well I agree but he is a board favorite. I would prefer Ron Stanley Who is looking better every day!! At cornerback my favorite is Robinson but ravens probably will not consider him. The best of the top is jackson and vh3 in my opinion. I like him nearly as much as I liked Ron Darby. I never liked Ramsey as a top5 pick. No ball production.

[rudywasoffsides]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i also wanna throw in ramsey, i definitely see a top 10 talent, but not top 5. he is purely athletic projection at this point and nothing more, a guy with that immense athleticism playing a position where coverage is supposed to be your top priority.. well he has a scary lack of true production. he hasnt forced turnovers, he is inconsistent in coverage and gets beaten deep far too often. i like ramsey, love his swagger and confidence, and obviously he is a good player he just may need some fine tuning, but as it stands right now hes often projected 3rd or 4th overall, and if were basing this on actual current ability to produce, id say the earliest he should go is 6th to us.

Bro what prospect do you like? Ramsey is as close to a perfect prospect as you can get. All I hear from you on these boards is what you don't like. You have an issue with every single prospect and while I get nobody is perfect you seem like you enjoy picking at each prospect's flaws so that you can say I told you so if they bust later...

[iceripper]

2 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Bro what prospect do you like? Ramsey is as close to a perfect prospect as you can get. All I hear from you on these boards is what you don't like. You have an issue with every single prospect and while I get nobody is perfect you seem like you enjoy picking at each prospect's flaws so that you can say I told you so if they bust later...

Ramsey is great as long as everything/the play is in front of him. After that he gets lost. Another thing is: first you try him as a CB, then you move him to safety. Do you really want a SS in the top 5? I like Jack better, his  athleticism is more usable. He's my top prospect.

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, iceripper said:

Ramsey is great as long as everything/the play is in front of him. After that he gets lost. Another thing is: first you try him as a CB, then you move him to safety. Do you really want a SS in the top 5? I like Jack better, his  athleticism is more usable. He's my top prospect.

Ask the Chiefs if they're happy with Eric Berry

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Bro what prospect do you like? Ramsey is as close to a perfect prospect as you can get. All I hear from you on these boards is what you don't like. You have an issue with every single prospect and while I get nobody is perfect you seem like you enjoy picking at each prospect's flaws so that you can say I told you so if they bust later...

No, Ramsey is not perfect, he's overhyped. He's a top6 player, but he's not a better player than Myles Jack, Joey Bosa, Tunsil, or even arguably Buckner and VHIII.

Ramsey is an athletic freak, but has a few flaws in his game, like his hands obviously, his technique as a CB and the flags he draws, to name a few. The funny thing is, Ramsey is for now all about athleticism and a bit of vision, so when he blew up the combine (which was expected), everyone went nuts and raised him from top10 to top3. But that is just ridiculous, of course he was gonna blow up the combine, else he would not even be a first rounder.

He's good, and we would all be happy to have him. But if I'm SD, I'm not taking him.

[Crabcakes&Football]

49 minutes ago, iceripper said:

Ramsey is great as long as everything/the play is in front of him. After that he gets lost. Another thing is: first you try him as a CB, then you move him to safety. Do you really want a SS in the top 5? I like Jack better, his  athleticism is more usable. He's my top prospect.

If he becomes the bona fide superstar I think he will then h to the yeah.

[GrimCoconut]

WR: Will Fuller

DL: A'Shawn Robinson

CB: Eli Apple

EDGE: Emmanuel Ogbah

Those are the guys off the top of my head. I may add some more later.