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[ellicottraven]

Since it's been established that we have nickel packages for over 60% of the time, we already run a 5-2-4 configuration. So what does it matter whether it 3-4 or 4-3?

[MadStorkSociety]

Seems most of the time I look, we have 4 defenders on the line.

[whobilly]

Josh Norman? Really? Why even waste our time with this talk. Can't wait for the REAL Draft just so I don't have to hear anything more on mock drafts.

[bioLarzen]

"You’re going to find questions and concerns for just about every prospect"

That should be the bottom line. RSR featured an article yesterday on the risks of picking Tunsil, a lot of news outlets warn about the potential hazards of picking Myles Jack, Bosa is being criticized on a regular basis, just like Stanley and Buckner...

There's no safe pick. So, neither Ramsey nor Tunsil is a safe pick, either. Still, I'm more than sure if aither of those are still on the board at #6, and no trade offer too enticing to pass on arrives, it's gonna be a no-brainer.

[bioLarzen]

Josh Norman? Really? Why even waste our time with this talk. Can't wait for the REAL Draft just so I don't have to hear anything more on mock drafts.

Whenever a Big Name becomes available the same thing happens...

[JimmyBlack]

Tunsil = Ogden; Ramsey = Reed; Bosa or Buckner = Suggs; Jack = R. Lewis.  I'm so sick and tired of the hype.  Let's just wait and see who we pick and who actually makes it through training camp this season.

[Ugly Ball]

I would wonder about Norman & S.S.Sr. going head to head in one on one drills and how long it would be before there was a major throw down !

ICE UP SON !

[jravens1313]

Finally an analyst who is honest about Ramsey's game and not acting like he is the best DB prospect ever. He has the physical traits, but his game needs a lot of work.

[fusuymada]

Since it's been established that we have nickel packages for over 60% of the time, we already run a 5-2-4 configuration. So what does it matter whether it 3-4 or 4-3?

Thats very true and when we go to nickel it is a 4-2-5. Thing is, everyone knows Suggs and Dumervil are crashing off the edges and we have slow ILB's which is why we see a lot of wide receiver screens, wheel routes and edge plays where they are trying to take advantage of that vacated area of the field. If we went to a true 4-3 and had Suggs and Dumervil as DE's and actually had outside linebackers who played outside linebacker, we wouldn't be so susceptible to those plays which eat us up BUT we wouldn't be as strong against the run without bigger bodies up front. We do manage to switch it up some, and I am just pulling this number out of the air, but Suggs and Dumbervil have to be rushing a good 80-90% of the time. That makes us very predictable.

[b93333]

Norman is very effective in zone coverage... with a ferocious pass rush. That would describe lots of CBs.

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

Whenever a Big Name becomes available the same thing happens...

Yup, I'm sure most here was counting down till the Norman article appeared. 6 more days of blah

[ravensnj]

"You’re going to find questions and concerns for just about every prospect"

That should be the bottom line. RSR featured an article yesterday on the risks of picking Tunsil, a lot of news outlets warn about the potential hazards of picking Myles Jack, Bosa is being criticized on a regular basis, just like Stanley and Buckner...

There's no safe pick. So, neither Ramsey nor Tunsil is a safe pick, either. Still, I'm more than sure if aither of those are still on the board at #6, and no trade offer too enticing to pass on arrives, it's gonna be a no-brainer.

I concur. There are also just as many questions about the veteran players. Are they in shape? Have the injuries healed? Can they fit into the system? Can they pass another drug test? Can they finally play at the NFL level?

[fusuymada]

Is Tunsil, with his injury concerns, what we really need and want? Monroe went through surgery this offseason to correct his lingering issues and should be in his best physical condition since he got here. Uerschel and Jensen have proven to be far more than serviceable at the guard spot. We are solid on the "O" line and a developmental tackle can be gotten later. We need pass rushers and cornerbacks and short of taking a pass rusher or cornerback with the first three picks, we are really doing ourselves a disservice grabbing a position that we have no need for. And lets not get confused with "best player available". Best player available means best player on our board, which is based on what we need. If Wentz or Goff were the best player available in the eyes of some, we wouldn't take them because we have no need for them. I don't see Tunsil being in the top 5 on our board. If Bosa and Tunsil were on the board, I believe our board, which is based on our need, will have us drafting Bosa.

[harfordravenfan]

12 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Is Tunsil, with his injury concerns, what we really need and want? Monroe went through surgery this offseason to correct his lingering issues and should be in his best physical condition since he got here. Uerschel and Jensen have proven to be far more than serviceable at the guard spot. We are solid on the "O" line and a developmental tackle can be gotten later. We need pass rushers and cornerbacks and short of taking a pass rusher or cornerback with the first three picks, we are really doing ourselves a disservice grabbing a position that we have no need for. And lets not get confused with "best player available". Best player available means best player on our board, which is based on what we need. If Wentz or Goff were the best player available in the eyes of some, we wouldn't take them because we have no need for them. I don't see Tunsil being in the top 5 on our board. If Bosa and Tunsil were on the board, I believe our board, which is based on our need, will have us drafting Bosa.

For me, that situation could go either way. Got some good pass rushers in the second and third rounds and if the FO sees tunsil as their top guy left... 

Either way we get better as a team

[PurpleRainRIP]

I'm going to enjoy whoever that first pick is for sure brother, yeaaah

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

"You’re going to find questions and concerns for just about every prospect"

That should be the bottom line. RSR featured an article yesterday on the risks of picking Tunsil, a lot of news outlets warn about the potential hazards of picking Myles Jack, Bosa is being criticized on a regular basis, just like Stanley and Buckner...

There's no safe pick. So, neither Ramsey nor Tunsil is a safe pick, either. Still, I'm more than sure if aither of those are still on the board at #6, and no trade offer too enticing to pass on arrives, it's gonna be a no-brainer.

I'd say there are three 100% Safe picks, which are Joey Bosa, Elliot, and Rankins. And by safe I mean they will have meaningful NFL roles, not be addicted to drugs or alcohol and don't have chronic injury histories....

Edited April 22, 2016 by RavensDieHard21

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, fusuymada said:

Thats very true and when we go to nickel it is a 4-2-5. Thing is, everyone knows Suggs and Dumervil are crashing off the edges and we have slow ILB's which is why we see a lot of wide receiver screens, wheel routes and edge plays where they are trying to take advantage of that vacated area of the field. If we went to a true 4-3 and had Suggs and Dumervil as DE's and actually had outside linebackers who played outside linebacker, we wouldn't be so susceptible to those plays which eat us up BUT we wouldn't be as strong against the run without bigger bodies up front. We do manage to switch it up some, and I am just pulling this number out of the air, but Suggs and Dumbervil have to be rushing a good 80-90% of the time. That makes us very predictable.

Or we continue to mask coverage and land a legit speedy ILB that can cover ground quick and tackle, whether it be Jack, Jones, Cravens, etc.

[RavensDieHard21]

'The jets could offer Pro Bowl defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson and multiple picks", say no more lmao. I know that we are in a tough cap space, but SSS will be retiring and I could only imagine that Suggs might be too. Wilkerson would command some $, but we need to invest in blue chip pass rushers that can stuff the run easily as well. I would see this as the best trade back unless we did with the 49ers or Browns to get Lynch and we acquired a 2nd or 3rd rounder and still managed to get our guy. The Jets trade back would be so tempting though. Especially if they gave us Wilkerson, their first and second, or at least a few later picks in round 3 and 4. 

[Maryland]

Wilkerson would be awesome... until you realize how difficult it would be to re-sign him or even keep him for 1 season under his current salary

[bioLarzen]

Wilkerson would be awesome... until you realize how difficult it would be to re-sign him or even keep him for 1 season under his current salary

I'm quite sure this is nothing more than a journalist's imagination. Ozzie wouldn't give up a good pick just to get a player who'd become a major headache cap-wise in a year...

[fusuymada]

My apologies for being so verbose as we get close to the draft. Don't mean to hog the comments section but there are so many good thoughts floating around it is thought stimulating. I am on the record for saying that I think we should trade back and grab Hargreaves at corner and a couple more picks and then use some of those extra picks to move back into the first and grab Spence. Spence is routinely considered a top 10 player who will fall due to character concerns but I ran across this article on NFL.com that I think says a lot for that young man. http://www.nfl.com/theascent

[The Beak]

don't count The brownies trying trade with us to get in front of SF , they have a ton of picks , we could move back 2 spots and still get the player we want..

[fluffy201]

The answer is nooooooo lol

[harfordravenfan]

2 hours ago, fusuymada said:

My apologies for being so verbose as we get close to the draft. Don't mean to hog the comments section but there are so many good thoughts floating around it is thought stimulating. I am on the record for saying that I think we should trade back and grab Hargreaves at corner and a couple more picks and then use some of those extra picks to move back into the first and grab Spence. Spence is routinely considered a top 10 player who will fall due to character concerns but I ran across this article on NFL.com that I think says a lot for that young man. http://www.nfl.com/theascent

Definitely a fan of Spence. If only he'd be there for our second pick. A one two punch of tunsil/Spence would be incredible.

[fluffy201]

  3 hours ago, fusuymada said:

My apologies for being so verbose as we get close to the draft. Don't mean to hog the comments section but there are so many good thoughts floating around it is thought stimulating. I am on the record for saying that I think we should trade back and grab Hargreaves at corner and a couple more picks and then use some of those extra picks to move back into the first and grab Spence. Spence is routinely considered a top 10 player who will fall due to character concerns but I ran across this article on NFL.com that I think says a lot for that young man. http://www.nfl.com/theascent

Definitely a fan of Spence. If only he'd be there for our second pick. A one two punch of tunsil/Spence would be incredible.

But how much can you move back to get Hargreaves, most mock drafts have him going in top 10. Why is it so much of a reach to grab him at 6?

[harfordravenfan]

Just now, fluffy201 said:

But how much can you move back to get Hargreaves, most mock drafts have him going in top 10. Why is it so much of a reach to grab him at 6?

Personally, I'd rather get tunsil or Jack. But I'm the wrong person to answer the reach question.

[fluffy201]

  4 minutes ago, fluffy201 said:

But how much can you move back to get Hargreaves, most mock drafts have him going in top 10. Why is it so much of a reach to grab him at 6?

Personally, I'd rather get tunsil or Jack. But I'm the wrong person to answer the reach question.

Tunsil yes. Little worried about Jack and that knee. Rather have some one that is a more sure thing, plus corners are hard to find. And my bad, that comment was for the other guy

[fluffy201]

My apologies for being so verbose as we get close to the draft. Don't mean to hog the comments section but there are so many good thoughts floating around it is thought stimulating. I am on the record for saying that I think we should trade back and grab Hargreaves at corner and a couple more picks and then use some of those extra picks to move back into the first and grab Spence. Spence is routinely considered a top 10 player who will fall due to character concerns but I ran across this article on NFL.com that I think says a lot for that young man. http://www.nfl.com/theascent

Hargreaves will be gone in the top ten, how much do you think we can move back to get him?

[JimmyBlack]

Redskins paid 75 million over 5 years for Norman, so shelve this thread, please.