The First Round is being over discussed

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

With Spriggs, Cravens, Billings, and Alexander all on the board at 36, do you take Cravens no questions asked?

I wouldn't say no questions ask. Alexander may have the highest upside of the 4 but do you risk with his character issues with the team? I think all 4 have high ceilings. 

[RaineV1]

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I wouldn't say no questions ask. Alexander may have the highest upside of the 4 but do you risk with his character issues with the team? I think all 4 have high ceilings. 

I think Alexander's character issues are over blown, and it's odd that they're only now rumored about. Personally, I'd take Spriggs from that lot, but Alexander would be a very close second.

[ALPHA]

6 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I wouldn't say no questions ask. Alexander may have the highest upside of the 4 but do you risk with his character issues with the team? I think all 4 have high ceilings. 

Alexander could go as high at 10, a lot of the listed names will go in the first round.

[808Blackbirds]

4th round is going to be a fun day. 

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I feel the tweeters always go in between then settle into one roll, I also see Cravens going down to LB in time. CJ is our thumper and Cravens could be our speedy coverage guy.

Cravens has great instincts but he isn't speedy. He's about average to for a linebacker and he's very slow for safety.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Alexander's character issues are over blown, and it's odd that they're only now rumored about. Personally, I'd take Spriggs from that lot, but Alexander would be a very close second.

I agree, plus Clemson coaches loved him and said he was the most committed to film study. As long as he is confident and ready to excel then i'd love to have some more fire on D.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

With Spriggs, Cravens, Billings, and Alexander all on the board at 36, do you take Cravens no questions asked?

I would take spriggs there, He's my 3rd rated tackle and the value is great because I think he deserves to go in the late teens.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Alexander could go as high at 10, a lot of the listed names will go in the first round.

You do realize that only 31 player will go in the first? Plus you can guarantee at least 2-3 team will pick head scratchers that no one has projected to go. 

I mean Goff, Wentz, Bosa, Ramsey, jack, Tunsil, Stanley, Elliot, Rankins, Lawson, Dodd, Floyd, Treadwell, Doctson, Coleman, Conklin, Hargreaves, WJIII, Buckner, Lynch, Reed, Robinson, Fuller, Billings, Ogbah, Henry, Burns, Nkemdiche, Decker, Lee, Spence, Whitehair, Spriggs, Alexander, Apple, Ragland. Jones, Butler, Bullard. 

There is roughly 40 prospects right here and we can bet a team might take Cook in the second early, maybe even the back end up Round 1. The point of the post is to see who we think has a first RD grade, perhaps top 20 that might somehow make their way to us. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I would take spriggs there, He's my 3rd rated tackle and the value is great because I think he deserves to go in the late teens.

I would probably agree too. His foot work and back pedal are phenomenal. He has a few tiny knocks but I love him. I am more interested to see if Ozzie would pounce back into the back end of the second if near the end there is someone he really likes. Maybe Calhoun, Cravens, Thomas, Boyd?

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

 

He's not very slow. His game speed is pretty solid. His coaches at USC rave over His natural athleticism, he has a good take off and he can control his body very well without losing speed, you see it When he is asked to blitz and he sidesteps blockers at full speed and closes in on the ball fluidly and explosively. He also has great body control playing the ball in coverage.

 

Cravens just really comes off as a natural football player, mentally he is rock solid and he makes plays in zone because he always knows where to be, he may not have a big bench number but he isn't lacking in toughness or strength and the film shows this. He's the typical great football player who tumbles down boards because he didn't blow anyone's minds at the underwear Olympics. Could be our gain though so I won't complain lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, RavensDieHard21 said:

I would probably agree too. His foot work and back pedal are phenomenal. He has a few tiny knocks but I love him. I am more interested to see if Ozzie would pounce back into the back end of the second if near the end there is someone he really likes. Maybe Calhoun, Cravens, Thomas, Boyd?

I think he's got one of the better backpedals and mirroring ability I've seen in a good while. He is stronger than given credit for too. I love spriggs in the 2nd if he's there and I hope he is, but cravens is my #2 unless dodd or Spence inexplicably fall. 

 

End of the 2nd and Calhoun or correa are available I Will be screaming for a trade, if we don't take cravens early 2nd I'm doing the same but I've seen lots suggesting that we love cravens.

 

Also if we don't take cravens I'm hoping to land darian Thompson in the 3rd. Based on film alone I wanted him in the 2nd but he doesn't meet the prerequisite speed needed for FS, so with his size and smarts and instincts he could be a very good intermediate roamed and hhelp eliminate the center of the field, similar to how I see cravens for us just with less versatility.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think he's got one of the better backpedals and mirroring ability I've seen in a good while. He is stronger than given credit for too. I love spriggs in the 2nd if he's there and I hope he is, but cravens is my #2 unless dodd or Spence inexplicably fall. 

 

End of the 2nd and Calhoun or correa are available I Will be screaming for a trade, if we don't take cravens early 2nd I'm doing the same but I've seen lots suggesting that we love cravens.

 

Also if we don't take cravens I'm hoping to land darian Thompson in the 3rd. Based on film alone I wanted him in the 2nd but he doesn't meet the prerequisite speed needed for FS, so with his size and smarts and instincts he could be a very good intermediate roamed and hhelp eliminate the center of the field, similar to how I see cravens for us just with less versatility.

I agree with everything there. Spriggs helps our line big time if he is there I feel. The funny thing is figuring out the value of safeties in this draft. Some have Neal, Green, and Joseph at pick 29-31, while others don't have them going until mid-second round. I think Webb and Weddle will help our center field from being so vulnerable, but we need an answer for the future. I wish Thompson was just a tad bit faster, but he does have great ball skills and instincts to not give up deep balls on the reg lol 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree with everything there. Spriggs helps our line big time if he is there I feel. The funny thing is figuring out the value of safeties in this draft. Some have Neal, Green, and Joseph at pick 29-31, while others don't have them going until mid-second round. I think Webb and Weddle will help our center field from being so vulnerable, but we need an answer for the future. I wish Thompson was just a tad bit faster, but he does have great ball skills and instincts to not give up deep balls on the reg lol 

Joseph is too small to play the way he does lol. He's like a Bob Sanders, smaller guy with total disregard for his body and I worry he'll get injured a lot of just flat out fail to finish the play because of his size and reckless game. I don't see anything in neal, just average across the board. He's like a Anthony levine, just a long but very meh db. Tbh idek who the hell green is lol. I think the original consensus of safeties is pretty similar, jayron kearse took a tumble big time but ramsey, thompson, cravens, Joseph in the first 3 rounds and Kendall fuller as a possible convert all seem to be the consensus.

[RavensDieHard21]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Joseph is too small to play the way he does lol. He's like a Bob Sanders, smaller guy with total disregard for his body and I worry he'll get injured a lot of just flat out fail to finish the play because of his size and reckless game. I don't see anything in neal, just average across the board. He's like a Anthony levine, just a long but very meh db. Tbh idek who the hell green is lol. I think the original consensus of safeties is pretty similar, jayron kearse took a tumble big time but ramsey, thompson, cravens, Joseph in the first 3 rounds and Kendall fuller as a possible convert all seem to be the consensus.

I like Fuller as a converted corner too. He plays the ball well and knows how to be opportunistic, but i don't see him a corner. TJ Green from Clemson is 6'2, 210 and ran a 4.34 40 and he touted for great tackling and decent coverage abilities in his year and a half as a starter. He may be a decent investment at the end of the 4th if he ever survived. lol 

[JoeyFlex5]

38 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I like Fuller as a converted corner too. He plays the ball well and knows how to be opportunistic, but i don't see him a corner. TJ Green from Clemson is 6'2, 210 and ran a 4.34 40 and he touted for great tackling and decent coverage abilities in his year and a half as a starter. He may be a decent investment at the end of the 4th if he ever survived. lol 

Ahh I know green now lol it just wasn't ringing a bell at the time..and yeah fuller is stellar when he keeps the play in front of him, he is a liability when he has to turn his hips and locate the ball though.

[ALPHA]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

You do realize that only 31 player will go in the first? Plus you can guarantee at least 2-3 team will pick head scratchers that no one has projected to go. 

I mean Goff, Wentz, Bosa, Ramsey, jack, Tunsil, Stanley, Elliot, Rankins, Lawson, Dodd, Floyd, Treadwell, Doctson, Coleman, Conklin, Hargreaves, WJIII, Buckner, Lynch, Reed, Robinson, Fuller, Billings, Ogbah, Henry, Burns, Nkemdiche, Decker, Lee, Spence, Whitehair, Spriggs, Alexander, Apple, Ragland. Jones, Butler, Bullard. 

There is roughly 40 prospects right here and we can bet a team might take Cook in the second early, maybe even the back end up Round 1. The point of the post is to see who we think has a first RD grade, perhaps top 20 that might somehow make their way to us. 

My post is accurate and didn't need a PSA.

[Edgar]

So much attention paid to first round pick when it seems to me that the subsequent rounds will prove the determining factor in whether this draft flies or doesn't.

We need to nail our 2nd and third round pick and find some starters in later rounds.

With the exception of Myles Jack, I don't see a transcendent talent where we pick in round one.

[Jaybirds]

41 minutes ago, Edgar said:

So much attention paid to first round pick when it seems to me that the subsequent rounds will prove the determining factor in whether this draft flies or doesn't.

We need to nail our 2nd and third round pick and find some starters in later rounds.

With the exception of Myles Jack, I don't see a transcendent talent where we pick in round one.

I pretty much agree with this.  It seems like we're looking for starters at DL, OL, and ILB.  Plus depth at edge rush, WR, and in the secondary.  So... six or seven guys, and probably 3 or 4 starters? 

Personally, I do think we'll get an exceptional talent with our first pick, and a starter with our second.  But we need a few steals in the third and fourth rounds as well. 

[TurkishRaven]

I have huge concerns with Alexander. I said it in another thread, this guy is not turning his head and using his hands too much. Refs killed us last year if they see Alexander in ravens uniform they will be throwing flags like flyers fans throwing bracelets.

[52520Andrew]

4 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

I have huge concerns with Alexander. I said it in another thread, this guy is not turning his head and using his hands too much. Refs killed us last year if they see Alexander in ravens uniform they will be throwing flags like flyers fans throwing bracelets.

[ALI624]

What about Karl Joseph?

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

What about Karl Joseph?

Love Karl Joseph. Talented enough to go top 20 but possibly on the board in 2nd round because of injury.

Can play both safety positions and will knock you out.

[RavensDieHard21]

38 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Love Karl Joseph. Talented enough to go top 20 but possibly on the board in 2nd round because of injury.

Can play both safety positions and will knock you out.

As @JoeyFlex5 said earlier, Joseph is great, but the way he throws his body at his opponents with no disregard, he will break down fast. That style is exciting and strikes fear in opponents, but it also draws a lot of flags in our water down league and hurts the defenders health quickly, such as a Bob Sanders like approach. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, TurkishRaven said:

I have huge concerns with Alexander. I said it in another thread, this guy is not turning his head and using his hands too much. Refs killed us last year if they see Alexander in ravens uniform they will be throwing flags like flyers fans throwing bracelets.

I think that he can be easily coached away from that, especially with Frazier on the team. I watched all Clemson games last year due to a friend going there and Alexander has all of the tools and is still young, remember he is a red shirt sophomore . Alexander has speed, instincts, competitiveness, toughness and is a film room junkie that breaks down his opponents' weaknesses. I think the head turning and over physical play can be coached, but in college they are in a different domain where that is accepted, so why not use it to their advantage. If Alexander practices to turn his head once he is in position, which he is almost always in, he will be just fine. Refs are bias with interference flags and all of the elite corners are actually the best with using their hands and technique and rarely get flagged due to their reputation, such as Sherman, Revis, Talib, and Peterson. 

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

As @JoeyFlex5 said earlier, Joseph is great, but the way he throws his body at his opponents with no disregard, he will break down fast. That style is exciting and strikes fear in opponents, but it also draws a lot of flags in our water down league and hurts the defenders health quickly, such as a Bob Sanders like approach. 

If not for his knee he would certainly go first round. He still may.

Have you watched him?

[RaineV1]

Vonn Bell stands out as my favorite safety in this class. Amazing cover skills, great instincts, plays with confidence, and has a habit of just being in the right place at the right time. Best of all, he usually made the interception when he got his hands (or in some cases just one hand) on the ball, something out DBs haven't been doing. If the Ravens get the chance to trade up for him from our 3rd round pick, he'd be more than worth it.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Vonn Bell stands out as my favorite safety in this class. Amazing cover skills, great instincts, plays with confidence, and has a habit of just being in the right place at the right time. Best of all, he usually made the interception when he got his hands (or in some cases just one hand) on the ball, something out DBs haven't been doing. If the Ravens get the chance to trade up for him from our 3rd round pick, he'd be more than worth it.

Not sure why this got negged. After Ramsey I think it boils down to personal preference between cravens, bell, Thompson and Joseph. 

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Vonn Bell stands out as my favorite safety in this class. Amazing cover skills, great instincts, plays with confidence, and has a habit of just being in the right place at the right time. Best of all, he usually made the interception when he got his hands (or in some cases just one hand) on the ball, something out DBs haven't been doing. If the Ravens get the chance to trade up for him from our 3rd round pick, he'd be more than worth it.

I think so too. The more i watch this safety class, the more I like them generally.

[443hurricane]

On 4/21/2016 at 4:57 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

AZ runs a 34 with bucannon as the ILB tweener. I think cravens is a far superior player, I think he's better in coverage and blizting and his instincts appear to be second to none in this class. 

Flex he's good but take your homer glasses off. lol I'm starting to wonder if you are working for Mr. Cravens. But on a serious note, I think he is really good but I like the S from Middle Tennessee State. I think he's going to be special.

[GrimCoconut]

36 minutes ago, 443hurricane said:

Flex he's good but take your homer glasses off. lol I'm starting to wonder if you are working for Mr. Cravens. But on a serious note, I think he is really good but I like the S from Middle Tennessee State. I think he's going to be special.

I'm also a big fan of Byard. He has some real talent. I'm a little worried about his tackling, but everything else is really nice.