The First Round is being over discussed

[RavensDieHard21]

Who do you see as being a First Round Talent, but likely to fall to 36?

[usmccharles]

I don't think it's being overly discussed, the best talent is in the first round,  therefore more attention.   Space could fall due to off-field issues... I think he goes in the first... But there's a chance,  Nkemdiche should be on this list.  

[JoeyFlex5]

Other: su'a cravens.

 

[Jaybirds]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Other: su'a cravens.

 

I think you're saying Cravens is a first round talent?  I haven't seen that in a lot of places, but it's an interesting thought. 

I was going to go with Cody Whitehair, who's also on that 1-2 bubble. 

[ALPHA]

Kevin Dodd, Leonard Floyd, Emmanuel Ogah, Cody Whitehair, Chris Jones, Tyler Higabee, Karl Joseph

I think this rounds out the list of fringe 2nd round prospects that we've met with so far.

Edited April 21, 2016 by ALPHA

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Other: su'a cravens.

 

Pretty sure he is my favorite draft prospect followed ngakoue.   Can we please just get one of them.... Is Cravens a 2nd rd guy? 

[Edgar]

Karl Joseph is top twenty talent but may go 2nd round.

Ryan Kelly could fall.

Jonathan Bullard.

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Pretty sure he is my favorite draft prospect followed ngakoue.   Can we please just get one of them.... Is Cravens a 2nd rd guy? 

He's rarely projected in the late fjrst but more typically mid 2nd. I love cravens for this team and this division.

[Winchester]

24 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Pretty sure he is my favorite draft prospect followed ngakoue.   Can we please just get one of them.... Is Cravens a 2nd rd guy? 

No!! lets get cravens and ngakoue!! Cravens is a round2  skill. However only cuz he is a tweener. He gets to about lean 230-240 lbs and adjusts at lb he will play like a round1 player with instincts.

[Dubs]

Of those listed, I think A'shawn would be a nice pickup in the second. feel he fits our D to a T...I think Mackensie Alexander will be there at our third round pick with all the speculation on attitude, size issues, and turnover/ball skills. 

[ALPHA]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's rarely projected in the late fjrst but more typically mid 2nd. I love cravens for this team and this division.

For a 4-3 I like him, I think he's better in zone I don't know if he's fast enough to run with receivers

[RaineV1]

I'm going with Spriggs. He could have the second highest ceiling of any tackle in this draft, just behind Tunsil.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, Winchester said:

No!! lets get cravens and ngakoue!! Cravens is a round2  skill. However only cuz he is a tweener. He gets to about lean 230-240 lbs and adjusts at lb he will play like a round1 player with instincts.

I don't think he needs to change his body or position. He's a great fit as he is playing a tweener coverage and blizting role. Our run defense will stagnate and our centerfield coverage will gain a massive boost.

[TurkishRaven]

Darron Lee would be perfect.

[trevorsteadman]

If we draft Ramsey and drafted Cravens in the second our defense just got whole new worlds of versatility especially with the Weddle signing. Then we can use the remaining to cap to go out and get a guard and/or a LT in free agency. That is basically my dream scenario with possibly Fackrell in the 3rd round.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

For a 4-3 I like him, I think he's better in zone I don't know if he's fast enough to run with receivers

AZ runs a 34 with bucannon as the ILB tweener. I think cravens is a far superior player, I think he's better in coverage and blizting and his instincts appear to be second to none in this class. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

If we draft Ramsey and drafted Cravens in the second our defense just got whole new worlds of versatility especially with the Weddle signing. Then we can use the remaining to cap to go out and get a guard and/or a LT in free agency. That is basically my dream scenario with possibly Fackrell in the 3rd round.

Even more versatility as fackrell is a very solid pass rusher and is extremely instinctive in coverage and has the size for 34OLB. schobert in the 4th would give us 2 dbs and 2 OLBs who can cover, play the run, and pass rush. How do you game plan against it?

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Even more versatility as fackrell is a very solid pass rusher and is extremely instinctive in coverage and has the size for 34OLB. schobert in the 4th would give us 2 dbs and 2 OLBs who can cover, play the run, and pass rush. How do you game plan against it?

You don't. I think if we drafted that well we would be the only team to slow down that New England offense. 

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, Winchester said:

No!! lets get cravens and ngakoue!! Cravens is a round2  skill. However only cuz he is a tweener. He gets to about lean 230-240 lbs and adjusts at lb he will play like a round1 player with instincts.

We dont agree much, but im all for this.  Ill be happy with just one because obviously more realistic. Ive soured on Jack just because of the knee talk, i cant make a informed decision...i just know if we drafted a player in the first that missed time again in his first year it would be a crapstorm

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Jaybirds said:

I think you're saying Cravens is a first round talent?  I haven't seen that in a lot of places, but it's an interesting thought. 

I was going to go with Cody Whitehair, who's also on that 1-2 bubble. 

I Iove whitehair and is versatility. He could easily play guard, tackle or maybe even center. His knock is on his long arms.

[ALPHA]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

AZ runs a 34 with bucannon as the ILB tweener. I think cravens is a far superior player, I think he's better in coverage and blizting and his instincts appear to be second to none in this class. 

I'm lukewarm on him, he's a playmaker I've seen the instincts you have to let him run and freelance a bit. If he has to run with NFL receivers and tight ends? I don't know. An NFL strength program could help him, 16 reps and 27 vert he's obviously not a weight room junkie so there could be some power to unlock.

[RavensDieHard21]

51 minutes ago, Winchester said:

No!! lets get cravens and ngakoue!! Cravens is a round2  skill. However only cuz he is a tweener. He gets to about lean 230-240 lbs and adjusts at lb he will play like a round1 player with instincts.

I feel the tweeters always go in between then settle into one roll, I also see Cravens going down to LB in time. CJ is our thumper and Cravens could be our speedy coverage guy.

[RavensDieHard21]

51 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Of those listed, I think A'shawn would be a nice pickup in the second. feel he fits our D to a T...I think Mackensie Alexander will be there at our third round pick with all the speculation on attitude, size issues, and turnover/ball skills. 

I see Robinson and billings as being insurance plans for Williams.

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, RavensDieHard21 said:

I feel the tweeters always go in between then settle into one roll, I also see Cravens going down to LB in time. CJ is our thumper and Cravens could be our speedy coverage guy.

With Bosa as a OLB/DE or Ramsey as a CB/S with Cravens in the middle would be awesome to see. I think Cravens will translate better to an NFL ILB than Arthur Brown did. I also see his traits are more prominent than Brown's. 

[RavensDieHard21]

45 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

If we draft Ramsey and drafted Cravens in the second our defense just got whole new worlds of versatility especially with the Weddle signing. Then we can use the remaining to cap to go out and get a guard and/or a LT in free agency. That is basically my dream scenario with possibly Fackrell in the 3rd round.

Secondary goes from the weak link to the strength allowing us some time to retool the pass rush never year.

[ALPHA]

3 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I see Robinson and billings as being insurance plans for Williams.

Billings is better than Robinson. We are going to lose Williams unless we tag him, Damon Harrison got $85M and Williams will get more.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Who do you see as being a First Round Talent, but likely to fall to 36?

I think that is what Jackson got, not Harrison. But I could see Williams commanding $50 million at least in free agency.

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

Billings is better than Robinson. We are going to lose Williams unless we tag him, Damon Harrison got $85M and Williams will get more.

We just hope Williams takes a note out of Ray Lewis' career and takes a discount to spend your entire season with one team. I'm not saying a giant discount but at least something for Baltimore to work with. I feel like players get better remembered when playing for only one team. When they are flip flopping everywhere it feels like some get forgotten. Plus it is a giant risk playing elsewhere because you do not know if you will play at as high of a level in a different system.

[RavensDieHard21]

I just think that we would want a slider that has an easy top 20 grade on them. I think billings for that bill.  He has a great motor and has real big flashes to accompany his athleticism. I want spence no doubt, but he and Williams with Davis and Jernigan could single handedly occupy all the blockers when we use our 4-3 base, well one of the them would be rotated though. 

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

AZ runs a 34 with bucannon as the ILB tweener. I think cravens is a far superior player, I think he's better in coverage and blizting and his instincts appear to be second to none in this class. 

With Spriggs, Cravens, Billings, and Alexander all on the board at 36, do you take Cravens no questions asked?