Eugene Monroe Thread (merged) - Released by Ravens

[rmw10]

Rapoport:

Expectation is that #Ravens OT Eugene Monroe won't be on the team by the end of Thurs. Could even be traded or released by the end of today

[Drew P]

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That shouldn't affect job security. If it does then it's a disgrace. That's simple proper use of freedom of speech. If he fails a drug test then come talk to me, but preaching intelligently the benefits of medicinal marijuana compared to the dangers of opioid painkillers Is a complete no brainer in this day and age and as low as I think of him with his entitled attitude and softneas, this is one thing I applaud him for. 

 

He's right about this aspect and he shouldn't be penalized for it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/28147/marijuana-campaign-only-part-reason-ravens-want-trade-eugene-monroe

[Tiznut]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/28147/marijuana-campaign-only-part-reason-ravens-want-trade-eugene-monroe

Despite all the talk of him being unreliable a few months ago people will act like his only negative is an attempt to call out the front office recently. 

[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, Drew P said:

http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/28147/marijuana-campaign-only-part-reason-ravens-want-trade-eugene-monroe

I didn't say it won't affect job security. I said it shouldn't. And it's very disappointing that the ravens are factoring this in their decision. If Monroe is doing ONE THING RIGHT, it's this, and the ravens are infringing on his free speech in a matter that brings zero harm to them as an organization. 

 

So, my point still stands and your thoughtless copy and paste has done nothing. Do you have anything productive to add?

[JoeyFlex5]

Why are the ravens always so up front about their intentions? You're gonna get nothing in return if you shout to the media the whole off-season about how he's not gonna be here and then straight up say "we're gonna cut him if we don't get a trade" 

 

Brilliant. Now the league knows they can get him for nothing if they just wait a day.

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why are the ravens always so up front about their intentions? You're gonna get nothing in return if you shout to the media the whole off-season about how he's not gonna be here and then straight up say "we're gonna cut him if we don't get a trade" 

 

Brilliant. Now the league knows they can get him for nothing if they just wait a day.

Well I mean if you don't trade for him then you can lose out on him if he gets cut cause then he can choose where he wants to go

[Drew P]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I didn't say it won't affect job security. I said it shouldn't. And it's very disappointing that the ravens are factoring this in their decision. If Monroe is doing ONE THING RIGHT, it's this, and the ravens are infringing on his free speech in a matter that brings zero harm to them as an organization. 

 

So, my point still stands and your thoughtless copy and paste has done nothing. Do you have anything productive to add?

Geez relax dude it doesn't matter what you think I'm just going off of the facts not speculation and personal beliefs.

He has a chance to do something 99% of the planet will never do make millions playing a game. That window closes very rapidly.

Just show up play some ball and shut your mouth. He couldn't do either. He is a distraction. Advocating for a banned substance is just stupid especially when you are a spare in flip flops on the sideline come game day.

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

and the ravens are infringing on his free speech in a matter that brings zero harm to them as an organization. 

I'm curious as to how they're doing this, at all. They're not saying he can't advocate, nor are they calling him out for it (other than Harbaugh saying they don't share the same views). How are they infringing?

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why are the ravens always so up front about their intentions? You're gonna get nothing in return if you shout to the media the whole off-season about how he's not gonna be here and then straight up say "we're gonna cut him if we don't get a trade" 

 

Brilliant. Now the league knows they can get him for nothing if they just wait a day.

I doubt there's any team in the league that doesn't know this was the intention.  The writing has been on the wall since the day we drafted Stanley and I'm sure all 31 other teams knew he'd be available.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I doubt there's any team in the league that doesn't know this was the intention.  The writing has been on the wall since the day we drafted Stanley and I'm sure all 31 other teams knew he'd be available.

They can easily say he's solid depth and that Stanley is their plan for the future and that they are testing waters. Nobody is expecting Taylor lewan to get cut because the titans drafted Conklin high. The ravens have been far too transparent about this, this didn't have to be so incredibly obvious, this isn't like boldin where he has one ridiculously overpriced year in his contract and is far past his prime, he's still relatively young and we invested a lot in him, it could be very easy to get a team to nibble if they didn't have to go badmouthing him non-stop for the past year

[berad]

14 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

 

i think the FO froze him out more than him not wanting to be here. Not supporting a good cause and having a backwards thinking mind. Im shocked ricky williams and harbs could even have had a conversation back in 2011..

 

Doesn't that kind of fly in the face of you argument, though? Maybe Ricky actually wanted to talk about football and wasn't being a spambot?

More power to Eugene, free speech and all. But why would you call out your team especially when you haven't exactly been a great contributor?

[Moderator 3]

Please note that "freedom of speech" means the government can't arrest you for what you say.  It doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to it or put up with it.

[atomicfront]

If all they are getting for Monroe is a fifth round pick I would keep him. If you cut him at the end of training camp you end up the same cap position as if you trade him. If someone gets injured during training camp you have Monroe there to step in.  

[BmoreBird22]

12 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Please note that "freedom of speech" means the government can't arrest you for what you say.  It doesn't mean anyone else has to listen to it or put up with it.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule, but this is far from one of them.

[atomicfront]

On 6/10/2016 at 1:08 PM, Sami84 said:

frankly i think the ravens FO are being the neanderthals here and I support every single tweet Eugene posted. I resonate with it and if the ravens don't well they are in the wrong. Cannabis is a life saving plant and what he's promoting is something the ravens SHOULD be endorsing. 

Yeah I don't know if I support his statements but he is free to make them. It is legal in several states now.  It is foolish for the league to suspend guys for it with all the head injury stuff that is much worse than smoking a joint. 

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm curious as to how they're doing this, at all. They're not saying he can't advocate, nor are they calling him out for it (other than Harbaugh saying they don't share the same views). How are they infringing?

They're essentially firing him for speaking on a subject that does no harm to the organization. If it was because of badmouthing the organization which I know had something to do with it, but let's say he was a model player and still spoke out on marijuana, would they still feel the need to get rid of him? I'd think so.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They're essentially firing him for speaking on a subject that does no harm to the organization. If it was because of badmouthing the organization which I know had something to do with it, but let's say he was a model player and still spoke out on marijuana, would they still feel the need to get rid of him? I'd think so.

I don't think the Ravens would have any issue with his marijuana stance IF...

He could remain healthy and finish a full season (he started and finished three games last year)

He didn't call out the organization

And he were easier to work with (he denied having a portion of his pay turned into an upfront bonus last year).

But they are totally within their rights to terminate him for no reason at all. They aren't telling him what he can or cannot say, just don't want his services when they're hardly available. And this is coming from someone who vehemently supported Monroe until recently.

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Yeah I don't know if I support his statements but he is free to make them. It is legal in several states now.  It is foolish for the league to suspend guys for it with all the head injury stuff that is much worse than smoking a joint. 

Being legal in several states does not make it legal in all states; nor does it change the fact that there is a federal ban. 

[atomicfront]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Being legal in several states does not make it legal in all states; nor does it change the fact that there is a federal ban. 

Well I am saying there is a reason for the league to stop testing for it.  Why diminish your own product for some silly anti-marijuana crusade?

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, atomicfront said:

Well I am saying there is a reason for the league to stop testing for it.  Why diminish your own product for some silly anti-marijuana crusade?

Because it's not legal under federal law...?

[Sami84]

just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's ''wrong'' just as just because it's legal doesnt mean it's ''right''. In fact if you look deeply into how things work, this is usually how its played out!

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Sami84 said:

just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's ''wrong'' just as just because it's legal doesnt mean it's ''right''. In fact if you look deeply into how things work, this is usually how its played out!

Doesn't really matter. If it's not legal, why would the NFL let players use it? 

[Sami84]

unless the ravens get an upgrade at LG or C there's going to be issues in the passing and run game. It's as simple as that.

[Moderator 9]

Just because teams know Monroe will be cut if he can't be traded, doesn't mean they'll wait. If he's cut, he has the choice of where he signs and for what money. If a team only has to give up a late round pick to assure they get him, it's reasonable. So if a less appealing team wants him, they know they'll be competing against other more appealing teams if Monroe is cut. So giving up a 6th-7th round pick to assure you get a starting LT isn't a bad thing.

[ludy51]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

unless the ravens get an upgrade at LG or C there's going to be issues in the passing and run game. It's as simple as that.

Monroe doesn't play either of these positions...

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Doesn't really matter. If it's not legal, why would the NFL let players use it? 

 

Just now, Moderator 9 said:

Just because teams know Monroe will be cut if he can't be traded, doesn't mean they'll wait. If he's cut, he has the choice of where he signs and for what money. If a team only has to give up a late round pick to assure they get him, it's reasonable. So if a less appealing team wants him, they know they'll be competing against other more appealing teams if Monroe is cut. So giving up a 6th-7th round pick to assure you get a starting LT isn't a bad thing.

 

and whats in it for us exactly? please don't say a 6th or 7th round pick is worth it. A healthy eugene monroe is a better player than everyone but yanda on this O line.

This isn't a strong O line you know?...the FO are acting like they have good players on this line..they dont..they have one great one whos ageing and 1 who has the potential to be very good.

[berad]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

 

and whats in it for us exactly? please don't say a 6th or 7th round pick is worth it. A healthy eugene monroe is a better player than everyone but yanda on this O line.

This isn't a strong O line you know?...the FO are acting like they have good players on this line..they dont..they have one great one whos ageing and 1 who has the potential to be very good.

Have you seen one of those in Baltimore recently?

[elemento]

Ravens FO won't say it openly, but Eugene has become a massive distraction and that's the main reason why they want him gone. Dude hasn't helped the team to win games in the past 2 seasons and he has a top 5 salary among Ravens players.  You don't want that guy around talking about how great Marijuana is when the team just started to work after a disappointing season and had to waive the best safety of the team because he was suspended after smoking weed AGAIN.

Let's be real here.  The last thing the Ravens need right now is that kind of distraction, especially when you have so many young men on the team. Ravens will be fine with or without Monroe. We're not talking about prime Ogden or Joe Thomas here. 

[Kinda_Dante]

If you read my previous posts you will see I was at one point advocating for Monroe to stay here. I agree that he would great depth and we don't immediately need the cap space so from a football standpoint there is no reason to cut him, however the relationship between him and the ravens is far too broken. He doesn't seem to wanna be here and the Ravens don't want him here, they reportedly asked him to bulk up this season and instead he slimmed down which at the end of the day it's his body and his decision but they can't even agree on that. This is a case where the team and the player are both unhappy.

[Tank 92]

Monroe was never the fit here that he was hoped to be.  It's best for both parties that he goes and plays elsewhere.