Eugene Monroe Thread (merged) - Released by Ravens

[BmoreBird22]

40 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I have no problem with his cause, but calling out your team is never a good look

I really like Eugene Monroe, but this is really digging himself a hole.

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I really like Eugene Monroe, but this is really digging himself a hole.

Yea, I really am hoping he makes the roster and stays healthy but this is no good. I think this even hurting our ability to trade him because no team wants their players to call them out.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Eugene Monroe tweeted something about the NFL supporting alcohol even though it causes deaths and posted a picture of the Ravens Beach Bash sponsored by Miller Lite as his point.

I agree with his stance on medical marijuana as a substitute for opioid pain killers... but now attacking alcohol, as if that will somehow help his cause is ridiculous... especially citing a Ravens team and fan function as his proof... ticking me off a bit now.

Especially considering most alcohol related deaths are from drinking and driving, and DWI or DUI from THC intoxication has caused deaths as well. 

[harfordravenfan]

12 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Eugene Monroe tweeted something about the NFL supporting alcohol even though it causes deaths and posted a picture of the Ravens Beach Bash sponsored by Miller Lite as his point.

I agree with his stance on medical marijuana as a substitute for opioid pain killers... but now attacking alcohol, as if that will somehow help his cause is ridiculous... especially citing a Ravens team and fan function as his proof... ticking me off a bit now.

Especially considering most alcohol related deaths are from drinking and driving, and DWI or DUI from THC intoxication has caused deaths as well. 

Definitely not the smartest move on Monroe's part. No issues with his cause but how does his comments help?

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, Kinda_Dante said:

 

I have no problem with his cause, but calling out your team is never a good look

Yeah it's silly to think they should back a cause that they A) didn't research themselves. B.) goes against league policy at this time. 

They did give him respect to say he's free to advocate what he wishes. That's as far as they're needed to go. 

[rmw10]

Yeah he's gotta go. Calling out your own team? What an idiot. It's clear he doesn't care about the actual game of football right now. Cut bait and end it. 

[rmw10]

40 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I believe it was @rmw10 who's been saying the relationship is broken and Monroe isn't helping himself at all.

Yeah he just keeps digging himself even further into the hole. It's clear he doesn't want to be here. Let him go. 

[Kinda_Dante]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Yeah he just keeps digging himself even further into the hole. It's clear he doesn't want to be here. Let him go. 

Yea I was fine when he was calling out the NFL in general but to call out his own team it's just shocking, I'd be surprised now if he makes the team.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Kinda_Dante said:

Yea I was fine when he was calling out the NFL in general but to call out his own team it's just shocking, I'd be surprised now if he makes the team.

To be honest, I don't even think he'll see training camp

[Sami84]

frankly i think the ravens FO are being the neanderthals here and I support every single tweet Eugene posted. I resonate with it and if the ravens don't well they are in the wrong. Cannabis is a life saving plant and what he's promoting is something the ravens SHOULD be endorsing. 

[Kinda_Dante]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

To be honest, I don't even think he'll see training camp

I mean if he's making statements like this in his mind he think that without a doubt he was already going to be released.

[jazz1988]

Monroe seems to be really passionate about  cannabis research and for good reasons. Not sure  if he will be cut for what he said about The Ravens but the team isn't new to controversy .

I think itshould be interesting to see  how it pans out.

Edited June 10, 2016 by jazz1988

[Sami84]

hey..eugene monroe is the 2nd best offensive lineman we have. Ronnie Stanley isnt tunsil..he's going to need time.

 

Ravens need to swallow their pride and recognise the team is actually quite weak without monroe and ko in the o-line.

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

frankly i think the ravens FO are being the neanderthals here and I support every single tweet Eugene posted. I resonate with it and if the ravens don't well they are in the wrong. Cannabis is a life saving plant and what he's promoting is something the ravens SHOULD be endorsing. 

No one here is saying they disagree with what he stands for and what he's pushing for, but there is no need to call out his team like that it does nothing to further his cause.

[rmw10]

I don't even disagree with his cause. It's the way he's going about everything. This is clearly a higher priority to him, which again, isn't a bad thing necessarily. There's a difference between supporting w cause and ramming it down everyone's throats. 

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Kinda_Dante said:

No one here is saying they disagree with what he stands for and what he's pushing for, but there is no need to call out his team like that it does nothing to further his cause.

 

 

The ravens should be supporting a players cause, esp if it's a good one. They endorese webbs charity softball event every year. Why not this?

Edited June 10, 2016 by Sami84

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

The ravens should be supporting a players cause, esp if it's a good one. They endorese webbs charity softball event every year. Why not this?

Because the softball game doesn't support a substance banned by the league. Again I wanna make it clear that I'm not saying the Ravens shouldn't support it, but they also have no obligation to and calling them out for it is just a bad move.

[jazz1988]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

The ravens should be supporting a players cause, esp if it's a good one. They endorese webbs charity softball event every year. Why not this?

Charity events aren't illegally like marijuana is. The league has made it clear that   is a banned substance so it's really no point for The Ravens to openly show support  towards Eugene Monroe cause.

It's bad enough they already got in trouble with the padgate situation.

 

Edited June 10, 2016 by jazz1988

[Sami84]

I say an organization should support a GREAT cause. The NFL isn't ''the truth''. There are flaws and an organization should show its dedication to making it better.

[rmw10]

The biggest issue with Monroe's agenda is that his push is to get the NFL to allow the use of medical marijuana.  What he seems to be forgetting is that marijuana is still illegal in a large majority of that states.  Is the NFL supposed to suddenly turn around and support players doing an illegal activity?  They'd be stupid to do that.  If Monroe really wants to make any push on his agenda, he has the wrong target, in my opinion.  Again, I'm not saying I disagree with him by any means, but does he really expect a multi-billion dollar empire to support something that is still illegal in most of the country?  Think of the media crapstorm that would be brought on by that.  The NFL loves the media but that's the exact opposite of the attention they desire.

[Tiznut]

15 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

frankly i think the ravens FO are being the neanderthals here and I support every single tweet Eugene posted. I resonate with it and if the ravens don't well they are in the wrong. Cannabis is a life saving plant and what he's promoting is something the ravens SHOULD be endorsing. 

No they should not if they haven't researched it themselves. 

[Cawtious]

2 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

I completely agree he has all the talent in the world but we need to be cawtious

Good one! 

[Cawtious]

14 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

The biggest issue with Monroe's agenda is that his push is to get the NFL to allow the use of medical marijuana.  What he seems to be forgetting is that marijuana is still illegal in a large majority of that states.  Is the NFL supposed to suddenly turn around and support players doing an illegal activity?  They'd be stupid to do that.  If Monroe really wants to make any push on his agenda, he has the wrong target, in my opinion.  Again, I'm not saying I disagree with him by any means, but does he really expect a multi-billion dollar empire to support something that is still illegal in most of the country?  Think of the media crapstorm that would be brought on by that.  The NFL loves the media but that's the exact opposite of the attention they desire.

This is where the rubber meets the road.  There is a larger issue at stake and that is just what you've pointed out here.  The battle begins and ends with the overall acceptance of MJ as a legal substance for medical usage.  Once that hurdle is cleared, then it is time to approach the NFL with the change of policy.  Excellent point.

[Kinda_Dante]

19 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Good one! 

Thank you I'll be here all week! Don't forget to tip your waitress

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

55 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

frankly i think the ravens FO are being the neanderthals here and I support every single tweet Eugene posted. I resonate with it and if the ravens don't well they are in the wrong. Cannabis is a life saving plant and what he's promoting is something the ravens SHOULD be endorsing. 

Look - i agree with his stance as well... but now he's posting things knocking the NFL for accepting alcohol sponsors which seems like he's saying "how can you support alcohol which is known to cause deaths, but not marijuana which is safer"

Theyre not advocating alcohol use for medical reasons, so what does one have to do with the other. That comment comes off as taking the stance that if theyre going to support alcohol for recreational use then they should also support marijuana for recreational use bc it doesnt cause as many deaths.

Which STILL is fine imo, but if thats the real deal here and thats what he's really shooting for - then stop using the "i stand for my brothers", "CTE is awful", "opiod addiction" stuff because none of those things have to do with the recreational use of marijuana. I mean shoot, the Coca plant has several medical benefits and doesnt cause nearly as many deaths as opioids or alcohol. Would he be against someone taking that stance?

The stance isnt the issue - the issue is, when you look at his twitter, its a million messages about this issue and nothing about anything else. It has consumed ALL of his time. If I sat at my job and spent all of my day working on a charity, foundation, or cause I believed in instead of doing what im paid to do - ID BE FIRED. Even if my bosses support the cause/charity too; if im spending all my work day focused on it, im still gonna get fired.

Monroe is forcing the issue and doesnt seem to have any focus on doing what he's actually being paid to do. Champion that cause in your down time, and we'll back you. Do it in a classy and effective way. Attacking others beliefs and forcing your own isnt going to get your ideas across. If others beliefs and opinions arent valid - why should we deem yours to be so?

And i guess thats my only point. The Ravens dont write the policy or prescribe opioid medication. Their team doctors might - but only bc other safer alternatives arent allowed by the league. If the Ravens were to publicly back him theyd put themselves right in line for fines, punishments, and sanctions from the league. And if you saw, Harbs instant replay initiative which he clearly felt very passionate about.... even he dropped it when he saw an opportunity to gain an inch,

[berad]

31 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Look - i agree with his stance as well... but now he's posting things knocking the NFL for accepting alcohol sponsors which seems like he's saying "how can you support alcohol which is known to cause deaths, but not marijuana which is safer"

Theyre not advocating alcohol use for medical reasons, so what does one have to do with the other. That comment comes off as taking the stance that if theyre going to support alcohol for recreational use then they should also support marijuana for recreational use bc it doesnt cause as many deaths.

Which STILL is fine imo, but if thats the real deal here and thats what he's really shooting for - then stop using the "i stand for my brothers", "CTE is awful", "opiod addiction" stuff because none of those things have to do with the recreational use of marijuana. I mean shoot, the Coca plant has several medical benefits and doesnt cause nearly as many deaths as opioids or alcohol. Would he be against someone taking that stance?

The stance isnt the issue - the issue is, when you look at his twitter, its a million messages about this issue and nothing about anything else. It has consumed ALL of his time. If I sat at my job and spent all of my day working on a charity, foundation, or cause I believed in instead of doing what im paid to do - ID BE FIRED. Even if my bosses support the cause/charity too; if im spending all my work day focused on it, im still gonna get fired.

Monroe is forcing the issue and doesnt seem to have any focus on doing what he's actually being paid to do. Champion that cause in your down time, and we'll back you. Do it in a classy and effective way. Attacking others beliefs and forcing your own isnt going to get your ideas across. If others beliefs and opinions arent valid - why should we deem yours to be so?

And i guess thats my only point. The Ravens dont write the policy or prescribe opioid medication. Their team doctors might - but only bc other safer alternatives arent allowed by the league. If the Ravens were to publicly back him theyd put themselves right in line for fines, punishments, and sanctions from the league. And if you saw, Harbs instant replay initiative which he clearly felt very passionate about.... even he dropped it when he saw an opportunity to gain an inch,

Agree, Eugene is coming off like a spam-bot. No one likes a spam-bot.

Maybe the Ravens support him SO much that they'll allow him to devote all of his time to his new-found crusade.

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Look - i agree with his stance as well... but now he's posting things knocking the NFL for accepting alcohol sponsors which seems like he's saying "how can you support alcohol which is known to cause deaths, but not marijuana which is safer"

Theyre not advocating alcohol use for medical reasons, so what does one have to do with the other. That comment comes off as taking the stance that if theyre going to support alcohol for recreational use then they should also support marijuana for recreational use bc it doesnt cause as many deaths.

Which STILL is fine imo, but if thats the real deal here and thats what he's really shooting for - then stop using the "i stand for my brothers", "CTE is awful", "opiod addiction" stuff because none of those things have to do with the recreational use of marijuana. I mean shoot, the Coca plant has several medical benefits and doesnt cause nearly as many deaths as opioids or alcohol. Would he be against someone taking that stance?

The stance isnt the issue - the issue is, when you look at his twitter, its a million messages about this issue and nothing about anything else. It has consumed ALL of his time. If I sat at my job and spent all of my day working on a charity, foundation, or cause I believed in instead of doing what im paid to do - ID BE FIRED. Even if my bosses support the cause/charity too; if im spending all my work day focused on it, im still gonna get fired.

Monroe is forcing the issue and doesnt seem to have any focus on doing what he's actually being paid to do. Champion that cause in your down time, and we'll back you. Do it in a classy and effective way. Attacking others beliefs and forcing your own isnt going to get your ideas across. If others beliefs and opinions arent valid - why should we deem yours to be so?

And i guess thats my only point. The Ravens dont write the policy or prescribe opioid medication. Their team doctors might - but only bc other safer alternatives arent allowed by the league. If the Ravens were to publicly back him theyd put themselves right in line for fines, punishments, and sanctions from the league. And if you saw, Harbs instant replay initiative which he clearly felt very passionate about.... even he dropped it when he saw an opportunity to gain an inch,

Not really sure if it's even clear that Monroe has shown he hasn't been focused  on what he's paid to do. He was in a recently cleared to play football and just because he's strongly advocating for cannabis research and for the league to make it legal for marijuana to be use as treatment for players in pain doesn't mean he isn't working out or training everyday.

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

The ravens should be supporting a players cause, esp if it's a good one. They endorese webbs charity softball event every year. Why not this?

they didnt really publicly back Bredan Ayanbadejo when he was campaigning for gay marriage rights. He spoke at the white house on it and campaigned for it while on the team and after... but he never let it get in the way of his football duties, and he didnt call the team out for not speaking out with him or publicly supporting him.

And we know Harbaugh is a deeply religious man, so Ayanbadejo's beliefs clearly went against Harbaughs... but you never heard harbaugh come out against him. It didnt affect their relationship as coach/player. The organization wouldve had to put a players belief above the coaches and others, or the coaches above the players to either back or denounce his cause. They did the right thing by doing neither.

Apples to apples, same thing. Except Ayanbadejo knew it was HIS cause, not the teams and rightfully didnt feel slighted at all by the fact that the team didnt necessarily stand with him. The Ravens represent not just one player and his beliefs, but a whole group of players, coaches, and staff who have a vast array of beliefs and concerns. Standing firmly by one may ostracize another.

One leader in the organization may agree, while another doesnt. Im sure there are those in the organization that dont agree with Monroes stance, but you dont hear them publicly coming out and knocking him or the Ravens for not publicly criticizing or distancing themselves from it. The organization is doing the right thing by neither backing or criticizing, neither ignoring or championing it. Theyve let him do this thing and speak his mind without passing one ounce of judgement on him in the court of public opinion. Him passing judgement on the Ravens is wrong.

And if/when Monroe gains ground and gets all the states to pass marijuana for medical purposes, and then the NFL takes it off their list of banned substances so players can safely use it for pain management, I guarantee the Ravens will fully support any play who wants to use it instead of opioids for their pain. Bc as a team in a league, they are governed by rules. Until the rule is changed - they cant do anything, and shouldnt unless theres a completely unanimous feeling among everyone in the organization. I sincerely doubt thats the case.

Likewise with Harbs desire to change the replay rules. Ozzie is a member of the rules committee - you didnt hear him coming out publicly to back John and his idea. He let John do all the championing he wanted, but then did his duty and deliberated it with the rest of his group and decided to table it.

Should Harbs take to twitter to bash Ozzie for not backing his replay rule? Silly, silly stuff. And to suggest that Ozzie or the ravens in any of these 3 cases should have done any differently is a joke. This is a football team - not a political lobbyist.

Edited June 10, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Cawtious]

13 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Not really sure if it's even clear that Monroe has shown he hasn't been focused  on what he's paid to do. He was in a recently cleared to play football and just because he's strongly advocating for cannabis research and for the league to make it legal for marijuana to be use as treatment for players in pain doesn't mean he isn't working out or training everyday.

 

I would be pretty confident that Monroe is working on his body.  I think his advocacy efforts has the cart before the horse.  The NFL will not endorse a treatment alternative that has not been deemed legal throughout the breadth of the states in which the organization operates.  It would be unwise for them to do so.  The first step is the legalization.  He's complaining about something the League cannot really take a prudent stance on currently. 

[ravefan52]

If Monroe was consistently on the field performing well and we hadn't just drafted a LT 6th overall, this would be nearly as much of an issue. It's just compounded by the fact everyone (including the team) is already frustrated with him as a football player. It makes it harder to back a player like that.

I don't know for sure, but this seems to be his main focus. And honestly he can do whatever he wants, it's just fortunate he's in the middle of a large contract with the Ravens.

I agree with what he's saying, yet the sad thing is I don't think anyone is really even listening to him. He's not a big enough name to go up against an empire like the NFL.

Higher ups in this organization may support marijuana, but I honestly can't blame them for not fighting for it. We just went 5-11 and have bigger things to focus on. And the fight for medical marijuana is going to have to go through the legal system first. An. NFL team going up against the league is just going to be a distraction for them.