Eugene Monroe Thread (merged) - Released by Ravens

[Somerset Ravens]

12 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

I'm talking about a healthy Monroe IMO is better than Stanley and if they keep Monroe, I can't see the Ravens having him on the bench.  The Ravens are paying him a great salary and that money would be wasted if he's healthy and on the bench. They need to get as much out of him as possible considering what they're paying him. 

I see Stanley as the better talent, but training camp will decide who should play. Talent not salary should be the determining factor imo. I want the best players on the field.

[ravefan52]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

He improved as the season went on and was back to top form when the season ended and he was spot on the year before. If Stanley cant beat out Monroe then it might be best to let him sit for a year or put him in the mix at LG altho Jensen played real nice there at the end of the year. I'd also like to see Urschel unseat Zuttah but he's gotta get his snap timing down with Joe.

Honestly I don't think Wagner got much better as the year went on or at the end, which is concerning. That'd be very surprising and disappointing if Stanley didn't start week 1, much less all year. He's the second most talented OL we have.

[Tru11]

22 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Honestly I don't think Wagner got much better as the year went on or at the end, which is concerning. That'd be very surprising and disappointing if Stanley didn't start week 1, much less all year. He's the second most talented OL we have.

if monroe is healthy stanley will start at LG or at least RT if Wagner is terrible which i doubt.

[edthehead]

I honestly think,

we will trade monroe, we will accept whatever we can get.

I really think it's a matter of medical clearance

now if there is no trade, we will NOT cut him, he will play and start 

[757RavensFan]

Now that Monroe is cleared to play, things will get real interesting.  

From Twitter:

 

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‏@MrEugeneMonroe 

Feeling blessed! Cleared to play again!

 

Edited June 8, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[BmoreBird22]

34 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Now that Monroe is cleared to play, things will get real interesting.  

Monroe is ultra talented when he's healthy; he showed that in 2013 when the Ravens traded for him.

I really like the prospects of him starting if he can stay healthy. I also figure it won't be too bad if Stanley plays LG (although, I'd rather have him play RT) because having the best possible offensive line is more important than picking a LT at 6.

[757RavensFan]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Monroe is ultra talented when he's healthy; he showed that in 2013 when the Ravens traded for him.

I really like the prospects of him starting if he can stay healthy. I also figure it won't be too bad if Stanley plays LG (although, I'd rather have him play RT) because having the best possible offensive line is more important than picking a LT at 6.

Hmmm....do you think having Stanley at RT is an option for the best possible offensive line? 

If it was up to you who would you put at LG if you have Stanley at RT?

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

Hmmm....do you think having Stanley at RT is an option for the best possible offensive line? 

If it was up to you who would you put at LG if you have Stanley at RT?

I would put Stanley at RT for two reasons. 1. The muscle memory switching from RT to LT is easier than going from LG to LT. 2. Offensive lines are facing the best pass rusher far more often from the right side than before. Von Miller rushed from the right side on over 60% of snaps.

I'd put Wagner at LG because I do think he's still better than Jensen and Lewis

[757RavensFan]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would put Stanley at RT for two reasons. 1. The muscle memory switching from RT to LT is easier than going from LG to LT. 2. Offensive lines are facing the best pass rusher far more often from the right side than before. Von Miller rushed from the right side on over 60% of snaps.

I'd put Wagner at LG because I do think he's still better than Jensen and Lewis

Ok gotcha...I never even thought about Wagner as a LG option.  I thought you were going to say; Urschel, Jensen or Lewis.  

Which I was going to question if you did, b/c I don't see that as our best possible O Line. 

[BmoreBird22]

26 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Ok gotcha...I never even thought about Wagner as a LG option.  I thought you were going to say; Urschel, Jensen or Lewis.  

Which I was going to question if you did, b/c I don't see that as our best possible O Line. 

I'm just thinking more about next year when Stanley has to switch to LT. I know people are gonna reference Ogden, but going from RT to LT just literally requires the ability to switch your muscle memory to the opposite side.

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm just thinking more about next year when Stanley has to switch to LT. I know people are gonna reference Ogden, but going from RT to LT just literally requires the ability to switch your muscle memory to the opposite side.

Even though I never played O-Line, I still think LG to LT is an easier transition than RT to LT.  I could be way off!  A  LG has to take a lead step backward w/ his left foot for pass protection.  RT, everything is opposite.  JMO.  
Hey @Raven what's your take. 

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm just thinking more about next year when Stanley has to switch to LT. I know people are gonna reference Ogden, but going from RT to LT just literally requires the ability to switch your muscle memory to the opposite side.

My concern would be that Wagner is in a contract year, and having him change positions may alter his value and/or his desire to stay in Baltimore.

He's a guy we'd probably like to keep long-term and could probably afford if we want to, and I think when healthy he's a solid RT, but I think there's some risk to moving him inside for what would basically be one season, since the obvious answer for 2017 is Stanley at LT and Wagner at RT on a new deal.

[ravensdan]

16 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Even though I never played O-Line, I still think LG to LT is an easier transition than RT to LT.  I could be way off!  A  LG has to take a lead step backward w/ his left foot for pass protection.  RT, everything is opposite.  JMO.  
Hey @Raven what's your take. 

So after we talked a lot about this concerning Oher I went aheD and asked this question of former NFL lineman Ross Tucker. It came up in regards to Tunsil and Stanley. His response was it is a way easier transition from RT to LT than LG to LT.   I can post the whole answer later. Fwiw. 

[757RavensFan]

7 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

So after we talked a lot about this concerning Oher I went aheD and asked this question of former NFL lineman Ross Tucker. It came up in regards to Tunsil and Stanley. His response was it is a way easier transition from RT to LT than LG to LT.   I can post the whole answer later. Fwiw. 

Hey I believe you.  Like I said, I never played O-Line and could be way off. Thanks for the info. 

[ravensdan]

5 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Hey I believe you.  Like I said, I never played O-Line and could be way off. Thanks for the info. 

I found the answer very interesting because I would have said LG before that. And that's only one opinion. Still interesting. 

[757RavensFan]

8 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I found the answer very interesting because I would have said LG before that. And that's only one opinion. Still interesting. 

Now, I'm curious.  LOL. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Now that Monroe is cleared to play, things will get real interesting.  

From Twitter:

 

 

The timing is interesting... just as we wrap up the final day of OTAs and go on break until late July, he's suddenly cleared to play. Is this the team clearing him, or his own doctor?

[757RavensFan]

17 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The timing is interesting... just as we wrap up the final day of OTAs and go on break until late July, he's suddenly cleared to play. Is this the team clearing him, or his own doctor?

Mandatory mini camp is next week if I'm not mistaken, June 14th - 16th.  So Monroe will be there for that.   

He didn't attend OTA's last year when he was healthy. so does it really matter if he missed this year's OTA, healthy or not? 

[The Raven]

3 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Even though I never played O-Line, I still think LG to LT is an easier transition than RT to LT.  I could be way off!  A  LG has to take a lead step backward w/ his left foot for pass protection.  RT, everything is opposite.  JMO.  
Hey @Raven what's your take. 

 

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm just thinking more about next year when Stanley has to switch to LT. I know people are gonna reference Ogden, but going from RT to LT just literally requires the ability to switch your muscle memory to the opposite side.

 

Ha, yeah. I personally don't think you'll find a consistent answer. I played guard, and I could switch between LG and RG seamlessly. Other guys couldn't, but they could switch from guard to tackle with little dropoff. It's really about the inidivudal.

It does help to have muscle memory. In that regard, it seems like it could be easier moving from LT to LG. But the positions require different traits. Generally speaking you need much quicker footwork and more length at tackle, but you need to have better pad level and strength at guard. 

I think Wagner could do well as a LG. I've never felt that his pad level was a big problem. And although he's not the strongest guy in the weight room, I never felt that his strength was a liability. He's not terribly mean, but he isn't soft, either. He's not as mobile as I'd like a zone blocking RT to be, so LG might hide his deficiencies there. Wagner is just very average across the board.

If he can transfer the muscle memory, I know Stanley can do well at RT. 

My personal preference would just be to keep Wagner where he is and start Stanley at LT, with Alex Lewis and Jensen competing at LG. Monroe is just too soft and unreliable. I'd love to get another nasty guy on the line. 

[Davesta]

Wagner would be priced higher if he moves to guard and excels. Check mark for versatility. 

Other note, isnt run blocking the weakness of Stanley, with pass blocking his strong suit. RT suppose to be the better run blocking tackle. Having Monroe and Stanley manning both tackle spots scares me for our running game. 

[The Raven]

7 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Wagner would be priced higher if he moves to guard and excels. Check mark for versatility. 

Other note, isnt run blocking the weakness of Stanley, with pass blocking his strong suit. RT suppose to be the better run blocking tackle. Having Monroe and Stanley manning both tackle spots scares me for our running game. 

Only in relative terms is run blocking Stanley's weakness. I wouldn't call it a weakness. It's just the thing he's least dominant at, if that makes sense. I don't think run blocking will be an issue for him at RT.

A lot of the media pundits put out this narrative that Stanley is a pass blocking tackle, and therefore he isn't a great run blocker. That narrative is misguided.

Edited June 8, 2016 by The Raven

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

He's not as mobile as I'd like a zone blocking RT to be, so LG might hide his deficiencies there. Wagner is just very average across the board.

I won't even pretend to know offensive lineman, but last year Wagner's inability to easily get into space stood out to me. Not sure how much of that was from the foot, but that's actually one area I had concerns with as far as him pulling as a guard.

[The Raven]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I won't even pretend to know offensive lineman, but last year Wagner's inability to easily get into space stood out to me. Not sure how much of that was from the foot, but that's actually one area I had concerns with as far as him pulling as a guard.

I'm really confused. He seemed to be really mobile in his great year in 2014. He moved well and blocked well in space. Great burst, too. I really can't say how much of it was the foot, but that's the only given explanation.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

18 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Mandatory mini camp is next week if I'm not mistaken, June 14th - 16th.  So Monroe will be there for that.   

He didn't attend OTA's last year when he was healthy. so does it really matter if he missed this year's OTA, healthy or not? 

yea didnt realize we had a couple days next week...most teams are off.

And its not about missing them vs not missing them... its about the timing of being cleared with being injured all last year. A guy who missed that much time i think you'd expect at the voluntary stuff to get some reps in.

But, at least he'll be here next week to get some work in and possibly shed some light on the LT situation. I expect Monroe to start off with 2nd team reps at LT and rotate in with the 1st team.

[JimmyBlack]

16 hours ago, The Raven said:

 

 

Ha, yeah. I personally don't think you'll find a consistent answer. I played guard, and I could switch between LG and RG seamlessly. Other guys couldn't, but they could switch from guard to tackle with little dropoff. It's really about the inidivudal.

It does help to have muscle memory. In that regard, it seems like it could be easier moving from LT to LG. But the positions require different traits. Generally speaking you need much quicker footwork and more length at tackle, but you need to have better pad level and strength at guard. 

I think Wagner could do well as a LG. I've never felt that his pad level was a big problem. And although he's not the strongest guy in the weight room, I never felt that his strength was a liability. He's not terribly mean, but he isn't soft, either. He's not as mobile as I'd like a zone blocking RT to be, so LG might hide his deficiencies there. Wagner is just very average across the board.

If he can transfer the muscle memory, I know Stanley can do well at RT. 

My personal preference would just be to keep Wagner where he is and start Stanley at LT, with Alex Lewis and Jensen competing at LG. Monroe is just too soft and unreliable. I'd love to get another nasty guy on the line. 

I don't see the Ravens making a move with Monroe just yet.  There were too many injuries last season.  Wagner could play RT or LG.  I would prefer seeing Stanley start the season at RT or LG rather than just throw him in there as the starting LT.  This will all depend on how ready and durable that Monroe is by then.

[Cawtious]

On ‎6‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 6:27 PM, ravefan52 said:

Honestly I don't think Wagner got much better as the year went on or at the end, which is concerning. That'd be very surprising and disappointing if Stanley didn't start week 1, much less all year. He's the second most talented OL we have.

Stanley is the second most talented based on what, exactly?  I will believe that to be so when I see him against the best the NFL has to throw at him.  He's definitely talented, but I don't know if I'd hand him that already JMHO.  He's got the potential.......

[Kinda_Dante]

36 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Stanley is the second most talented based on what, exactly?  I will believe that to be so when I see him against the best the NFL has to throw at him.  He's definitely talented, but I don't know if I'd hand him that already JMHO.  He's got the potential.......

I completely agree he has all the talent in the world but we need to be cawtious

[Kinda_Dante]

 

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Eugene Monroe
@MrEugeneMonroe

@Ravens continue to distance themselves from me and my cause. I invite you all to do some research. I won't stop. This is for my brothers

I have no problem with his cause, but calling out your team is never a good look

[757RavensFan]

34 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

 

I have no problem with his cause, but calling out your team is never a good look

Now this is just stupid of him.  I wouldn't have an issue w/ them cutting him now b/c of this dumb comment.  

Don't bite the hand that feeds you, ESPECIALLY publically!!

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, 757RavensFan said:

Now this is just stupid of him.  I wouldn't have an issue w/ them cutting him now b/c of this dumb comment.  

Don't bite the hand that feeds you, ESPECIALLY publically!!

I believe it was @rmw10 who's been saying the relationship is broken and Monroe isn't helping himself at all.