Eugene Monroe Thread (merged) - Released by Ravens

[Tru11]

can people for the love of god stop overreacting or at least when doing so treat all players equal rather then just focus on player they like or dont like only.

[Kinda_Dante]

10 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

can people for the love of god stop overreacting or at least when doing so treat all players equal rather then just focus on player they like or dont like only.

How dare you ask people to be objective?!

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

How dare you ask people to be objective?!

i plea temporary insanity.

[edthehead]

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Vets NOT attending OTAs is not an issue. 

That aside, he's wasn't medically cleared to participate in OTAs this year.  And when he was physically fit last year he still didn't attend the OTAs. 

I think ryan mink had a clip where he spoke of injured players being at ota's that have not been medical cleared, 

yes it is not big deal being here or not(voluntary) but he is in a sensitive situation

suggs never attends yet he was here, 

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

can people for the love of god stop overreacting or at least when doing so treat all players equal rather then just focus on player they like or dont like only.

for the love of god (really) lol

not over reacting just ment to spark a discussion 

[757RavensFan]

58 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I think ryan mink had a clip where he spoke of injured players being at ota's that have not been medical cleared, 

yes it is not big deal being here or not(voluntary) but he is in a sensitive situation

suggs never attends yet he was here, 

for the love of god (really) lol

not over reacting just ment to spark a discussion 

Suggs was here b/c he's rehabbing at the Castle.  If he wasn't rehabbing I'm 100% certain he would have be in Arizona and not at the OTAs.

Guess where Dumervil was, he wasn't in Owings Mills. 

[harfordravenfan]

4 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Suggs was here b/c he's rehabbing at the Castle.  If he wasn't rehabbing I'm 100% certain he would have be in Arizona and not at the OTAs.

Guess where Dumervil was, he wasn't in Owings Mills. 

For the love of God Doom 

But seriously, I agree with the suggs comment (even knowing he had to rehab, I'm actually surprised he came)

[rmw10]

45 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Suggs was here b/c he's rehabbing at the Castle.  If he wasn't rehabbing I'm 100% certain he would have be in Arizona and not at the OTAs.

Guess where Dumervil was, he wasn't in Owings Mills. 

The difference between Dumervil and Monroe is that 1 of those guys is fighting for a roster spot and the other knows his role.

[Tru11]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

The difference between Dumervil and Monroe is that 1 of those guys is fighting for a roster spot and the other knows his role.

If he is healthy he is pretty much guaranteed a spot and probably has the starter spot on lockdown.

At this point its really still his job to loose.

He would either still be bothered by injuries or his play has to fall off a cliff  to consider his spot not guaranteed.

Or i guess Stanley starts off playing at an high level right away which rarely happens with rookie LT.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

If he is healthy he is pretty much guaranteed a spot and probably has the starter spot on lockdown.

At this point its really still his job to loose.

He would either still be bothered by injuries or his play has to fall off a cliff  to consider his spot not guaranteed.

Or i guess Stanley starts off playing at an high level right away which rarely happens with rookie LT.

I would disagree strongly with that statement.  I won't rehash it here, but I covered my thoughts in the FA/Offseason thread pretty extensively.

[Tru11]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I would disagree strongly with that statement.  I won't rehash it here, but I covered my thoughts in the FA/Offseason thread pretty extensively.

good for you ?

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

good for you ?

It wasn't meant to be snarky or anything.  I just don't want to bring another argument here.  I just disagree strongly that he's safe.  I've always maintained that I'm more than open to keeping him here, but he's in a clear fight for a job to me.

[757RavensFan]

4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

It wasn't meant to be snarky or anything.  I just don't want to bring another argument here.  I just disagree strongly that he's safe.  I've always maintained that I'm more than open to keeping him here, but he's in a clear fight for a job to me.

While I understand you don't want to rehash it, but I honestly believe a 100% healthy Monroe gets the start over Stanley, easily!

[ellicottraven]

2 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

While I understand you don't want to rehash it, but I honestly believe a 100% healthy Monroe gets the start over Stanley, easily!

I agree with your assessment. If Monroe is fully healthy he'll be our starting LT and justifiably so. It's best to allow Stanley to play at LG or even RT depending on Wagner's health and ease him into the LT position either next year or the year after. No point rushing him into a tough situation. He's got all the tools, Stanley does but he needs to become NFL tackle strong in the weight room.

[Tru11]

9 hours ago, rmw10 said:

It wasn't meant to be snarky or anything.  I just don't want to bring another argument here.  I just disagree strongly that he's safe.  I've always maintained that I'm more than open to keeping him here, but he's in a clear fight for a job to me.

fair enough but that is what the guy who revived this thread wanted lel.

to me it all comes down to health.
if healthy he will be on the team , if not they most likely will move or if we get something back in a trade ( no idea who will be dumb enough to trade for an injured player though)

[ravefan52]

Ideal situation imo is Monroe stays healthy and we have him and Stanley manning the OT spots. That's some serious talent and athleticism and would give Flacco great protection.

[Davesta]

18 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Ideal situation imo is Monroe stays healthy and we have him and Stanley manning the OT spots. That's some serious talent and athleticism and would give Flacco great protection.

Where would you put Wagner then? 

[757RavensFan]

8 hours ago, Davesta said:

Where would you put Wagner then? 

Exactly, a healthy Monroe and Wagner, start over Stanley. If both are healthy I see it like this:

Monroe, Stanley, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner.  

Not bad IMO!

[Somerset Ravens]

2 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Exactly, a healthy Monroe and Wagner, start over Stanley. If both are healthy I see it like this:

Monroe, Stanley, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner.  

Not bad IMO!

I think Monroe is best suited for a backup role if he is on the team. He is a solid tackle but I expect Stanley to be better than that. My preferred line would be Stanley, Jensen, Urschel, Yanda and Wagner.

[757RavensFan]

4 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I think Monroe is best suited for a backup role if he is on the team. He is a solid tackle but I expect Stanley to be better than that. My preferred line would be Stanley, Jensen, Urschel, Yanda and Wagner.' 

That's bad business.  Economics 101 is to make a ROI. They're paying Monroe too much to be a "healthy" backup. 

A healthy Monroe > A healthy Stanley

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Exactly, a healthy Monroe and Wagner, start over Stanley. If both are healthy I see it like this:

Monroe, Stanley, Zuttah, Yanda, Wagner.  

Not bad IMO!

Stanley is defintiely more talented than Wagner and the transition from LG to LT is going to be harder than RT to LT

[757RavensFan]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Stanley is defintiely more talented than Wagner and the transition from LG to LT is going to be harder than RT to LT

I will have to see Stanley play a game in the NFL before signing off that he's more talented than Wagner. Wagner rated very high before hurting his foot. 

[Somerset Ravens]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

That's bad business.  Economics 101 is to make a ROI. They're paying Monroe too much to be a "healthy" backup. 

A healthy Monroe > A healthy Stanley

If you are talking ROI you need to look at the big picture, that being total salary expenditures and the return on that investment. Doing so dictates you start the players that give you best chance to win. If you are saying it would be better to get rid of Monroe and use the salary cap savings for a better ROI I can understand that.

[ravefan52]

17 hours ago, Davesta said:

Where would you put Wagner then? 

Give him a chance at LG, if he doesn't work there then the bench. Depends if he can ever fully recover from the linsfranc, but he was bad last year.

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Stanley is defintiely more talented than Wagner and the transition from LG to LT is going to be harder than RT to LT

Jon Ogden would tell you otherwise.  

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Before anything else Monroe needs to get and stay healthy.

[Willbacker]

25 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

Give him a chance at LG, if he doesn't work there then the bench. Depends if he can ever fully recover from the linsfranc, but he was bad last year.

He improved as the season went on and was back to top form when the season ended and he was spot on the year before. If Stanley cant beat out Monroe then it might be best to let him sit for a year or put him in the mix at LG altho Jensen played real nice there at the end of the year. I'd also like to see Urschel unseat Zuttah but he's gotta get his snap timing down with Joe.

[BmoreBird22]

40 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Jon Ogden would tell you otherwise.  

So one of the greatest offensive tackles in NFL history should be our reasoning for Stanley?

On the extreme other side, there's Greg Robinson

Edited June 5, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

If you are talking ROI you need to look at the big picture, that being total salary expenditures and the return on that investment. Doing so dictates you start the players that give you best chance to win. If you are saying it would be better to get rid of Monroe and use the salary cap savings for a better ROI I can understand that.

I'm talking about a healthy Monroe IMO is better than Stanley and if they keep Monroe, I can't see the Ravens having him on the bench.  The Ravens are paying him a great salary and that money would be wasted if he's healthy and on the bench. They need to get as much out of him as possible considering what they're paying him. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

I will have to see Stanley play a game in the NFL before signing off that he's more talented than Wagner. Wagner rated very high before hurting his foot. 

Stanley is more talented, and it's not really close. Doesn't make him a better player right now, but consider one good year and a very rough rookie year are what we have from Wagner. I don't think he's as good as year two, but I do think he's better than many NFL right tackles and probably slightly better than 2015 showed.

Edited June 5, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

I'm talking about a healthy Monroe IMO is better than Stanley and if they keep Monroe, I can't see the Ravens having him on the bench.  The Ravens are paying him a great salary and that money would be wasted if he's healthy and on the bench. They need to get as much out of him as possible considering what they're paying him. 

Salary won't matter if Stanley earns the job.  Salary should never be the determining factor as to whether a player is starting or not.