[News] Late For Work 4/21: Real Winner Of Mega Trades? The Ravens, Who Will Now Get An Absolute Stud

[Puntit]

If the Chargers were confident they'd still get the player they wanted at 6 they really probably should do the trade even for a fourth. What's the point of taking Tunsil at 3 if you can get Tunsil plus another pick at 6? And there is Stanley as their hedge so the risk of someone jumping up for Tunsil isn't quite as bad. Is Stanley plus a fourth worth a Tunsil? Probably.

Edited April 21, 2016 by Puntit
Continuing the thought

[hen826957]

24 minutes ago, juice78 said:

47 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

  51 minutes ago, verified said:

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

If only we had another 2nd round pick than l would trade with San Diego to get Ramsey because if San Diego wanted Tunsil they could still get him at 6. Dallas and Jacksonville are not interested in Tunsil. If the Ravens would've trade up the Chargers would've been the perfect trade partner because they would probably end up with Tunsil any way at number 6. But by not having a extra second round pick, l see this very unlikely.

I don't think any player is worth trading up for this year. Neither Wentz nor Goff are considered #1 or #2 picks and teams just mortgaged their near futures for them. I think the Ravens are in great shape at #6, which is, as I stated before, essentially pick #4. They're going to get an excellent player that will, to varying degrees depending on who it is, will fill a need on the roster. I think I'd much rather see the Ravens try to get rid of 2 4th rounders and their 6th for another 2nd round pick.

True, if the Ravens trade up, the Chargers would of been the only trade partner that would makes sense. I was just explaining to @verified. But l still would've mind to trade up if the Ravens would have another 3rd rounder though if you know what l'm mean. ?

Edited April 21, 2016 by hen826957

[eze17]

  3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Jack's appeal to us will all depend on what our team doctors believe on the status of his knee. But I agree, he might be slightly too much of a risk.

Buckner as well isn't as refined as far as his ability to get leverage against guards with good technique and size. Plus, Hensley's description of him simply filling Canty's spot doesn't sound nearly as appealing.

That's the real issue..The Ravens medical staff. They probably don't even know what knee is in question on Jack. However, I do think he's off the board at 6, too risky.

Bosa and Buckner don't have the skill set they desire neither is the twitchy guy that can turn the corner sideways. I do think Bosa is a Suggs type of player and is a better fit than Buckner.

If neither is available it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they selected Hargreaves at 6. The thought of going into 2016 with Shareece being  #2 is basically forgoing the season.

Well, I don't think we'd be "forgoing the season" with Wright, but I think the Ravens do draft 1-2 CBs. Pretty certain Ramsey will be gone, but there are a lot of CBs projected to go in late 1st/early 2nd. Good place to grab one. I am high on Hargreaves, but I think if Tunsil is there we snatch him quick. Bosa or Jack we would consider, or maybe trade back a few spots, get some more picks and get Hargreaves. Pretty happy with any of these scenarios.

And I don't understand the knock on the Ravens medical staff...another person mad about Perriman?

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Well, I don't think we'd be "forgoing the season" with Wright, but I think the Ravens do draft 1-2 CBs. Pretty certain Ramsey will be gone, but there are a lot of CBs projected to go in late 1st/early 2nd. Good place to grab one. I am high on Hargreaves, but I think if Tunsil is there we snatch him quick. Bosa or Jack we would consider, or maybe trade back a few spots, get some more picks and get Hargreaves. Pretty happy with any of these scenarios.

And I don't understand the knock on the Ravens medical staff...another person mad about Perriman?

I always find it comical how fans think the medical staff is actually responsible for player injuries and well being. 

Its like smoking for 40 years and blaming your doctor for getting cancer.

[Ravenole]

Allowing for no more trades, my picks for 3 thru 6 are:
San Diego: Tunsil
Dallas: Bosa, Elliot, Lynch
Jacksonville: Bosa or Buckner
Ravens: Jalen Ramsey
I believe this scenario is extremely possible.

[Drew P]

29 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Well, I don't think we'd be "forgoing the season" with Wright, but I think the Ravens do draft 1-2 CBs. Pretty certain Ramsey will be gone, but there are a lot of CBs projected to go in late 1st/early 2nd. Good place to grab one. I am high on Hargreaves, but I think if Tunsil is there we snatch him quick. Bosa or Jack we would consider, or maybe trade back a few spots, get some more picks and get Hargreaves. Pretty happy with any of these scenarios.

And I don't understand the knock on the Ravens medical staff...another person mad about Perriman?

Mad uh no im just a fan not his Mom. Maybe if they sought opinion from an outside expert earlier than mid-season it may have given them a chance to bring in a warm body to get some work in.

[ellicottraven]

Ramsey is overrated which is why I think he might fall to us. I easily prefer Jack, Tunsil, or Bosa. Hargreaves is the best corner. Ramsey might not even be the best safety (Karl Joseph), but has the physical traits teams covet.

If only 3 teams - Chargers, Cowboys and Jaguars had your point of view and opinion of Ramsey, I would be so excited and an extremely happy man. But, alas...

[ellicottraven]

BTW, it's an absolute pipe dream to think that Jaylon Smith is going to last till the 4th round. If we really want this player, we should be ready to trade up in the second to get him. Not our second with which we take a CB but trade up for another 2nd round pick by giving up some other picks.

[eze17]

BTW, it's an absolute pipe dream to think that Jaylon Smith is going to last till the 4th round. If we really want this player, we should be ready to trade up in the second to get him. Not our second with which we take a CB but trade up for another 2nd round pick by giving up some other picks.

Other than QB, this draft has a lot of talent in it...most teams will be able to get quality starters into the 3rd round, or at least very capable back ups. Jaylon Smith, who is a VERY talented player, will miss at least this season and may possibly NEVER play a down in the NFL. I don't think you'll see any team pass on guys who can help them now just to get someone who has that big a question mark. I agree with the article that he could be there in the 4th round, and I could see the Ravens taking a chance on him. I just feel sorry that someone with so much potential has had such a devastating injury, and wish him the best no matter what happens.

[JimmyBlack]

I would love to see us get Tunsil or Ramsey in the first round.  I won't be sad if they are gone leaving us with Jack, Buckner, or Bosa.

[Kinda_Dante]

I would actually love it if we took a chance on Jaylon Smith in the 4th.

[rpolla72]

I would love to take Myles Jack with our first pick. I just fear that he will suffer from BPS (Breshad Perriman Syndrome).

[stampedehero]

7 hours ago, b93333 said:

If the Ravens can solidify their OL... and if Suggs comes back in shape and motivated we should be in for a good year. With that said Tunsil looks like the best case scenario. If he's gone there doesn't seem to be a clear best case scenario... maybe Bosa?   I heard Bosa refuses to play for us (if so,screw him) 

Tunsil is a great pick  Stanley would be a great choice. We will get a good pick no matter what at #6.  A number that  low is rare to us.   

 

[Drew P]

15 minutes ago, rpolla72 said:

I would love to take Myles Jack with our first pick. I just fear that he will suffer from BPS (Breshad Perriman Syndrome).

Well if you read some of the posts on here some board members think if you select a guy with a preexisting injury its no one's fault when he is on the sideline in flip flops come game day.

[Grapple Raven]

Tunsil may very well end up being a great player, I am just saying that his injury history is a big concern and in light of that perhaps Stanley would be more durable.  I actually don't see that there is that much difference between Tunsil and Stanley, considering that with Monroe at LT, both would have the opportunity to develop behind him to hone their skills.  When choosing this high in the draft, if you are looking for a LT that can give you 10+ yrs, I am just saying that someone already entering the NFL with that many injuries is a concern to me.  But compare them for yourself:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079900/laremy-tunsil

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2005667/ronnie-stanley

This is a great write up on the two by someone who faced Odgen in college and it gives a great perspective via looks from draft breakdown:

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/28/11184656/2016-nfl-draft-breakdown-ronnie-stanley-notre-dame-laremy-tunsil

Stanley has versatility also having played a yr. at LG and the rest at LT.

 

I would be happy with Stanley, Buckner, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Lawson, or Conklin.

 

I am sure the Ravens brass has done their homework and will hopefully be able to give us the best player to fit our needs. Here's to a great draft!

[mearzunkies]

Allowing for no more trades, my picks for 3 thru 6 are:
San Diego: Tunsil
Dallas: Bosa, Elliot, Lynch
Jacksonville: Bosa or Buckner
Ravens: Jalen Ramsey
I believe this scenario is extremely possible.

Well, that is about all the real choices man. Sorry not bring rude just stating look how many scenarios you listed?

[cbrook1862]

Rams - Goff
Eagles - Wentz
Chargers - Tunsil
Cowboys - Bosa
Jaguars - Jack
Ravens - Ramsey
I like this scenario, as it is actually realistic.

[cbrook1862]

  9 hours ago, juice78 said:

  9 hours ago, hen826957 said:

  9 hours ago, verified said:

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

If only we had another 2nd round pick than l would trade with San Diego to get Ramsey because if San Diego wanted Tunsil they could still get him at 6. Dallas and Jacksonville are not interested in Tunsil. If the Ravens would've trade up the Chargers would've been the perfect trade partner because they would probably end up with Tunsil any way at number 6. But by not having a extra second round pick, l see this very unlikely.

I don't think any player is worth trading up for this year. Neither Wentz nor Goff are considered #1 or #2 picks and teams just mortgaged their near futures for them. I think the Ravens are in great shape at #6, which is, as I stated before, essentially pick #4. They're going to get an excellent player that will, to varying degrees depending on who it is, will fill a need on the roster. I think I'd much rather see the Ravens try to get rid of 2 4th rounders and their 6th for another 2nd round pick.

True, if the Ravens trade up, the Chargers would of been the only trade partner that would makes sense. I was just explaining to @verified. But l still would've mind to trade up if the Ravens would have another 3rd rounder though if you know what l'm mean. ?

They need to stay put at 6 and take BPA. whether it's Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner, Tunsil, or Jack, one if not 2 of these guys will be available.

[cbrook1862]

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

No, no one in this draft is that important

[cbrook1862]

  11 hours ago, potomacpitbulls said:

I would be happy this draft;

1. L. Tunsil
2. N. Spense
3. K. Joseph
4. B. Kafusi
4. S. Wright
4. Y. Ngakoue
4. J. Smith
6. S. Davis
6. M. Boehringer

No need for spence there, just go with Yannick and pick S, Sheppard in 2nd.

spence is the best pure pass rusher in the draft, if he's there we're taking him. he's a top 15 pick who's just falling due to character

[cbrook1862]

  12 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Jack's appeal to us will all depend on what our team doctors believe on the status of his knee. But I agree, he might be slightly too much of a risk.

Buckner as well isn't as refined as far as his ability to get leverage against guards with good technique and size. Plus, Hensley's description of him simply filling Canty's spot doesn't sound nearly as appealing.

That's the real issue..The Ravens medical staff. They probably don't even know what knee is in question on Jack. However, I do think he's off the board at 6, too risky.

Bosa and Buckner don't have the skill set they desire neither is the twitchy guy that can turn the corner sideways. I do think Bosa is a Suggs type of player and is a better fit than Buckner.

If neither is available it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they selected Hargreaves at 6. The thought of going into 2016 with Shareece being  #2 is basically forgoing the season.

Buckner's comp is Calais Campbell... nuff said

[cbrook1862]

One of the winners for a change could be the Browns. I can imagine it now...they collect all those high round picks, they then go on to draft Myles Jack and his knee turns out to be OK from the get go. 

The Browns will find a way to screw it up as usual

[cbrook1862]

Ramsey is overrated which is why I think he might fall to us. I easily prefer Jack, Tunsil, or Bosa. Hargreaves is the best corner. Ramsey might not even be the best safety (Karl Joseph), but has the physical traits teams covet.

his press coverage and instincts are unmatched, he shut down sides of the fields. Plus he is a great tackler.

[cbrook1862]

  11 hours ago, potomacpitbulls said:

I would be happy this draft;

1. L. Tunsil
2. N. Spense
3. K. Joseph
4. B. Kafusi
4. S. Wright
4. Y. Ngakoue
4. J. Smith
6. S. Davis
6. M. Boehringer

Really big on Scooby! Didn't see Sterling Sheppard in there, maybe you can add him in your updated draft. :)

Yes! I love Scooby Wright, he was very productive

[cbrook1862]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that doesn't understand how the Browns-Eagles trade impacts the Ravens? The Browns were going to draft a QB anyway, just like the Eagles most likely will now. What changed? I would add that if anything there's a slight chance the second pick won't be a QB because it is a little suspicious that the Eagles traded so much and they weren't even sure which QB they would be getting. There exists an outside possibility that they are interested in drafting another position (LT perhaps now that the Titans have traded out or maybe even Jalen Ramsey) and that is why they traded up.

What don't u get... at first there was a possibility no qb's would be taken before we picked, meaning less elite defensive player available to us. Now it's pretty much a lock that 2 qb's will be taken before us, meaning more elite defenders available to us and maybe the best LT in the draft.More qb's = better players available to us.

[Maryland]

Ravens used a 6th on Kapron Lewis-Moore a few years ago after tearing an ACL a couple months before the draft, and he had much, much less upside than Jaylon Smith, though a worse injury. Makes me think there is certainly a chance we spend a late 4th on Smith if he's there, which is certainly no guarantee.

As for the #6 pick, there are really only 2 really blue-chip prospects imo: Tunsil and Ramsey. I think they both go #3/#4 in some order. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but that's how I see it, in which case a trade-down would make sense, since you could pick up one of Bosa, VH3, Jack, Elliott, or Buckner later.

[Halshayeji]

20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. I don't think Jack is in consideration... far too many issues with his knee. Some of these guys don't really have off-field issues (Tunsil or Bosa), but Jack has major ON FIELD question marks. 

2. I don't think Buckner is the kind of impact defensive player we are looking for, so I don't think he's in consideration.

My guess is... Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa and Hargreaves are the four we are looking at... in that order.

Thank you!

Buckner would be a steal at 10-15. 6th is a reach for the exact same seasons you mentioned. I would even add hargreves who i really like to that mold. He's a great player but his 4.5 40 time automatically drops him out of the top 5 conversation.

ramsey Tunsil and maybe bosa are top 5 any year! I reckon we take one of the 3 or move back.

i also believe it's possible we move up to 4 if the Tunsil goes 3rd. The Cowboys would want Bosa or Jack and dropping to 6 will still get them their guy.

 

[Halshayeji]

7 hours ago, cbrook1862 said:

Rams - Goff
Eagles - Wentz
Chargers - Tunsil
Cowboys - Bosa
Jaguars - Jack
Ravens - Ramsey
I like this scenario, as it is actually realistic.

That would be a perfect scenario for the Ravens but we would be the luckiest ideots to wait till 6th. Someone else will move for ramsey if we just sit there. If Tunsil goes 3rd then we need to call Dallas and offer two of our 4ths to move up and get him. Maybe even a 4th this year and a 3rd next year if they get greedy.

if we want Ramsey and he falls to 4th overall then GO GET HIM!

[J.O.14]

  8 hours ago, cbrook1862 said:

Rams - Goff
Eagles - Wentz
Chargers - Tunsil
Cowboys - Bosa
Jaguars - Jack
Ravens - Ramsey
I like this scenario, as it is actually realistic.

That would be a perfect scenario for the Ravens but we would be the luckiest ideots to wait till 6th. Someone else will move for ramsey if we just sit there. If Tunsil goes 3rd then we need to call Dallas and offer two of our 4ths to move up and get him. Maybe even a 4th this year and a 3rd next year if they get greedy.

if we want Ramsey and he falls to 4th overall then GO GET HIM!

I don't see the Cowboys moving, unless someone gives up a lot to move up, which I don't think we will do. To move up 2 spots, we are likely giving up at least 3 picks. The Cowboys are gonna stay where they are, and I think they are gonna choose between Bosa, Ramsey, or Elliot. If we trade, I think we will move down.

The Chargers are going to dictate everything obviously. If they take Tunsil, we are getting Bosa, Ramsey, or Jack. If they take Ramsey, we are getting Tunsil, Bosa, or Jack. We are getting a very, very good player with our 6th pick.

[thecommish]

  8 hours ago, b93333 said:

If the Ravens can solidify their OL... and if Suggs comes back in shape and motivated we should be in for a good year. With that said Tunsil looks like the best case scenario. If he's gone there doesn't seem to be a clear best case scenario... maybe Bosa?   I heard Bosa refuses to play for us (if so,screw him) 

Tunsil is a great pick  Stanley would be a great choice. We will get a good pick no matter what at #6.  A number that  low is rare to us.   

 

IDK that we can count on Suggs being what he was. Suggs career is winding down and time happens to us all. His body has been breaking down for awhile and he is aware of that... that is why he was contemplating retirement even before the injury. We need to be thankful for what he has done as a Raven, hope he can give us a little more, and begin to prepare for life without him in the near future. Which means drafting a serious pass rusher now! (maybe Bosa in Rd 1. or Spence in Rd 2 or Travis Feeney in Rd 3 / 4) I love Suggs and hope he can pull a SSS and defy father time for another year or two... but i am also a realist and know that the clock is relentless and it is ticking for Sizzle!