[News] Late For Work 4/21: Real Winner Of Mega Trades? The Ravens, Who Will Now Get An Absolute Stud

[MiamiRaven55]

13 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. I don't know why Dallas would do that deal, since I'm sure they have tremendous interest in Ramsey themselves and would very likely take him there. He's a big need for that team.

2. The only way they would do that deal is if they were convinced they could get the same player at 6 that they wanted at 4, which obviously isn't guaranteed with them sharing similar needs to Jacksonville.

Would be a pretty risky trade for Dallas, and I'd certainly think they would value that risk at significantly higher than a 4th round pick. If I were them, I'd be asking for a 2nd rounder for that deal.

Do you think Dallas goes Pass Rusher with their pick? Since they already have 2 players suspended for drugs and not having Hardy? Seems to me they would go pass rusher with this pick as it's an immediate need?

[Crusader]

The Ravens (for their purposes) now have pick #4 in the draft.
I know the Ravens go "best player available" (usually), but here's my logic to the pick:
Positions of need:

OL (LT and LG): If Ravens draft Tunsil, where does he play? Do they work him onto the field at LG first? LT? If LT, where does Monroe play?

RUSH/OLB: Yes, Sizzle and Doom are in their 30s. But do you actually sit/cut either of them in 2016? Do you spend pick #6 on someone who won't be an every-down OLB while Suggs and Dumervil are still on the roster?

DL (interior): With Canty gone, there's a spot to fill. Is there someone on the roster who is ready to start in 2016? K L-M?

ILB: Daryl Smith was cut. Zach Orr might not be a big name, but he showed talent playing ILB last year. He might be an immediate replacement.

DB/CB: Weddle is going to start. Do the Ravens trust Webb enough to start him next to Weddle? Is he trade bait? Post-June 1-cut? What about Brooks? Beuhler? Beuhler? I don't really trust Webb any more. Who starts opposite Jimmy Smith?

So, I see the Ravens' highest need(s) as (in order):
DB
LT
DL
ILB
OLB

The best players in the draft (as ranked by NFL.com):
Tunsil (LT)
Jack (ILB) [injury question]
Buckner (DL) (had more sacks than Ramsey)
Elliot (RB)
Ramsey (DB)
Bosa (OLB/RUSH)

My 3-5 Predictions
Chargers: Ramsey (They cut Weddle and need a new franchise safety)
Cowboys: Bosa or Elliot
Jaguars: Jack

Which leaves the Ravens choosing from:
Tunsil
Buckner
Elliot or Bosa

Matching best player available to need, I predict the Ravens select Laremy Tunsil.
If they consider need a little more, I predict they take Buckner

I agree and a LT seems the likely choice. I see Cowboys selecting Bosa. I would be shocked otherwise.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, MiamiRaven55 said:

Do you think Dallas goes Pass Rusher with their pick? Since they already have 2 players suspended for drugs and not having Hardy? Seems to me they would go pass rusher with this pick as it's an immediate need?

If Ramsey is there, they take him in my opinion. They can use help at every level of their defense. Pass rusher, linebacker, and certainly secondary. They take whoever they have ranked highest as a defender in my opinion, and my guess is that's Ramsey.

They take Bosa IF Chargers take Ramsey, which I suspect they will. That sets up Tunsil falling to us.

We should have a very good idea of who we will select once SD picks. If they don't take Tunsil, I see no scenario where we don't take him.

Edited April 21, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[757RavensFan]

17 minutes ago, MiamiRaven55 said:

Do you think Dallas goes Pass Rusher with their pick? Since they already have 2 players suspended for drugs and not having Hardy? Seems to me they would go pass rusher with this pick as it's an immediate need?

Dallas have 2 pass rushers suspended the first 4 games b/c of failed tests. 

Hardy is gone, so pass rusher would not surprise me with their pick. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Dallas have 2 pass rushers suspended the first 4 games b/c of failed tests. 

Hardy is gone, so pass rusher would not surprise me with their pick. 

I generally agree, though I'm not sure having your pass rushers on a short term suspension warrants using the #4 pick on one out of "need".

I think they easily could go pass rusher, but I'd consider their secondary (and in particular, safety) to be by far their weakest area on defense.

Hence why, in my judgment, if its between Ramsey and a pass rusher, they go Ramsey. Entirely possible its not up to them, because Ramsey could easily be gone.

Myles Jack is another name to watch for Dallas as well. 

[MKM3917]

  1 hour ago, MKM3917 said:

It wouldn't be out of character for Ozzie to try to jump up to Dallas' spot at 4 and draft Ramsey if San Diego chooses Tunsil. And the cost wouldn't be huge, they could probably do it for one of our 4ths and a mid round pick next year.

It would be very much out of character if Ozzie's first move was trading up.  

Granted he moved up to get Flacco, but that was AFTER trading back from their original position. 

He has moved up in other instances over the last 20 years to grab a player that they want. Many have not been the players that he hoped they would be. He did it for Arthur Brown, Micheal Oher, Adam Terry. Others have been exactly what he wanted, like Marshal Yanda and Haloti Ngata. It needs to be the right player and the price has to be right. He isn't giving up a ton of value to choose one player.

[potomacpitbulls]

I would be happy this draft;

1. L. Tunsil
2. N. Spense
3. K. Joseph
4. B. Kafusi
4. S. Wright
4. Y. Ngakoue
4. J. Smith
6. S. Davis
6. M. Boehringer

[Purplepowers88]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that doesn't understand how the Browns-Eagles trade impacts the Ravens? The Browns were going to draft a QB anyway, just like the Eagles most likely will now. What changed? I would add that if anything there's a slight chance the second pick won't be a QB because it is a little suspicious that the Eagles traded so much and they weren't even sure which QB they would be getting. There exists an outside possibility that they are interested in drafting another position (LT perhaps now that the Titans have traded out or maybe even Jalen Ramsey) and that is why they traded up.

[ravensnj]

Rumor: Jax and Cowboys have interest in Josh Norman. Most likely, 31 teams do. However, they don't pick ahead of us! So.....I hope Ramsey keeps sliding ----Balt. Bound!

[ravensnj]

I would be happy this draft;

1. L. Tunsil
2. N. Spense
3. K. Joseph
4. B. Kafusi
4. S. Wright
4. Y. Ngakoue
4. J. Smith
6. S. Davis
6. M. Boehringer

Really big on Scooby! Didn't see Sterling Sheppard in there, maybe you can add him in your updated draft. :)

[eze17]

The four 4th rounders we have are also very interesting. If Jaylon Smith is still there we could afford to take a risk and draft him. Yes, he would not play this season, and quite possibly never play a snap in the NFL...but if he CAN recover, the guy is an absolute beast! And talk about someone coming back with something to prove!

We could also draft a QB in the 4th, someone we could develop over time. Last year proved that Flacco is not indestructible. Oh, i'm hoping Joe is our starter for many years to come, but grooming a back-up is a need. Ryan Mallet played well for us last year, and is more than capable, but after this year he's going to want a chance to start...a 4th rounder on a project QB would not be a waste.

Another option would be using one of our 4th's in a trade to maybe move up a few spots from #36. I don't think we will get Ramsey, so CB will definately be on our radar. There are alot of quality CB's projected late 1st/early 2nd round, If the right guy is there we have ammo to move up a few spots. If Noah Spence is still around they could do the same. I know two of our 4th's are comp picks, but two are tradeable. Alot of options.

[jravens1313]

Ramsey is overrated which is why I think he might fall to us. I easily prefer Jack, Tunsil, or Bosa. Hargreaves is the best corner. Ramsey might not even be the best safety (Karl Joseph), but has the physical traits teams covet.

[jravens1313]

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2016/2/15/10899032/mock-nfl-draft-database-2016-tendencies-experts

This is an awesome link.

[mc_red23]

One of the winners for a change could be the Browns. I can imagine it now...they collect all those high round picks, they then go on to draft Myles Jack and his knee turns out to be OK from the get go. 

[steelcityraven]

Rams and Eagles are crazy.... I think they both gave up way toooooo much! I know that they have a big need in a QB.... but they have both missed before on 1st round QBs.... the Rams just recently with Sam Bradford...if those teams gave all of that up and that QB does not pan out.. They are screwed. IDK.... even if that QB does work out... (in 3 years) the cupboards will be bare and it will be difficult to put the right pieces in place around that QB...Heck we see it with the most elite QB's in the game now. Aaron Rodgers lost some weapons and struggled this year. Brady a couple of years back.... Drew Brees lost some weapons and didn't look the same. Andrew Luck.... I can keep going. You have to have a quality QB but even a top quality QB will need help. I think that those two teams gave up way too much on too little.... I guess time will tell!

[Drew P]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Jack's appeal to us will all depend on what our team doctors believe on the status of his knee. But I agree, he might be slightly too much of a risk.

Buckner as well isn't as refined as far as his ability to get leverage against guards with good technique and size. Plus, Hensley's description of him simply filling Canty's spot doesn't sound nearly as appealing.

That's the real issue..The Ravens medical staff. They probably don't even know what knee is in question on Jack. However, I do think he's off the board at 6, too risky.

Bosa and Buckner don't have the skill set they desire neither is the twitchy guy that can turn the corner sideways. I do think Bosa is a Suggs type of player and is a better fit than Buckner.

If neither is available it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they selected Hargreaves at 6. The thought of going into 2016 with Shareece being  #2 is basically forgoing the season.

[Mad Puppy]

I would be happy this draft;

1. L. Tunsil
2. N. Spense
3. K. Joseph
4. B. Kafusi
4. S. Wright
4. Y. Ngakoue
4. J. Smith
6. S. Davis
6. M. Boehringer

No need for spence there, just go with Yannick and pick S, Sheppard in 2nd.

[YankeeRaven]

Hope Ravens select a defensive player, Ravens need a great defense again.

[chunkywill25]

I don't think signing Norman stops anyone from drafting ramsey. 

[gekaap]

*cue Madea meme*

Say Tunsil one mo' time...

[verified]

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

[hen826957]

4 hours ago, verified said:

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

If only we had another 2nd round pick than l would trade with San Diego to get Ramsey not Dallas because if San Diego wanted Tunsil they could still get him at 6. Dallas and Jacksonville are not interested in Tunsil. If the Ravens would've trade up, the Chargers would've been the perfect trade partner because they would probably end up with Tunsil any way at number 6 and that would've been a great deal for both teams. But by not having a extra second round pick, l see this scenario very unlikely.

Edited April 21, 2016 by hen826957

[Puntit]

After QBs go 1 &2, Realistically Tunsil and Ramsey and Jack go 3,4,5. Unless Jacks knee is viewed as too much of a red flag by Dallas and Jags, in which case I think we won't touch him either. So most likely scenario we can pick between Bosa and Buckner with the next best choice being a RB. After that Hargreaves or Stanley will be available at the 8-9 spots. If we don't view Bosa as Suggs 2.0, I have to wonder if we don't see if Cleveland wants to leapfrog SF or convince SF they need to move up a spot to keep Cleveland or NYJ from snagging Lynch before all the good QBs are gone. In which case we will get Hargreaves and an extra pick (4th?) which we would package with our high number 2 to climb up into the back end of the first and snag Spence. At least that's what I hope transpires.

[bioLarzen]

  25 minutes ago, verified said:

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

If only we had another 2nd round pick than l would trade with San Diego to get Ramsey because if San Diego wanted Tunsil they could still get him at 6. Dallas and Jacksonville are not interested in Tunsil. If the Ravens would've trade up the Chargers would've been the perfect trade partner because they would probably end up with Tunsil any way at number 6. But by not having a extra second round pick, l see this very unlikely.

I concur. We would have to give up our first rounder plus our third rounder (that translates roughly exactly to the #4 spot) for this trade. This would mean only two picks in the first three rounds - in a draft where rounds 2-3 may prove to be pivotal.

[juice78]

  2 hours ago, juice78 said:

The Ravens (for their purposes) now have pick #4 in the draft.
I know the Ravens go "best player available" (usually), but here's my logic to the pick:
Positions of need:

OL (LT and LG): If Ravens draft Tunsil, where does he play? Do they work him onto the field at LG first? LT? If LT, where does Monroe play?

RUSH/OLB: Yes, Sizzle and Doom are in their 30s. But do you actually sit/cut either of them in 2016? Do you spend pick #6 on someone who won't be an every-down OLB while Suggs and Dumervil are still on the roster?

DL (interior): With Canty gone, there's a spot to fill. Is there someone on the roster who is ready to start in 2016? K L-M?

ILB: Daryl Smith was cut. Zach Orr might not be a big name, but he showed talent playing ILB last year. He might be an immediate replacement.

DB/CB: Weddle is going to start. Do the Ravens trust Webb enough to start him next to Weddle? Is he trade bait? Post-June 1-cut? What about Brooks? Beuhler? Beuhler? I don't really trust Webb any more. Who starts opposite Jimmy Smith?

So, I see the Ravens' highest need(s) as (in order):
DB
LT
DL
ILB
OLB

The best players in the draft (as ranked by NFL.com):
Tunsil (LT)
Jack (ILB) [injury question]
Buckner (DL) (had more sacks than Ramsey)
Elliot (RB)
Ramsey (DB)
Bosa (OLB/RUSH)

My 3-5 Predictions
Chargers: Ramsey (They cut Weddle and need a new franchise safety)
Cowboys: Bosa or Elliot
Jaguars: Jack

Which leaves the Ravens choosing from:
Tunsil
Buckner
Elliot or Bosa

Matching best player available to need, I predict the Ravens select Laremy Tunsil.
If they consider need a little more, I predict they take Buckner

I agree and a LT seems the likely choice. I see Cowboys selecting Bosa. I would be shocked otherwise.

I wouldn't be shocked if they took Elliot. I'm sure Jerry is hearing a lot about how he might be the next Adrian Peterson.

[juice78]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that doesn't understand how the Browns-Eagles trade impacts the Ravens? The Browns were going to draft a QB anyway, just like the Eagles most likely will now. What changed? I would add that if anything there's a slight chance the second pick won't be a QB because it is a little suspicious that the Eagles traded so much and they weren't even sure which QB they would be getting. There exists an outside possibility that they are interested in drafting another position (LT perhaps now that the Titans have traded out or maybe even Jalen Ramsey) and that is why they traded up.

The Browns weren't a lock at taking a QB. They still might take Lynch if they can. With new leadership, they might be making smarter decisions. They need a lot of upgrades across their roster and it appears that it is worth more to them to have more draft picks to build the team than to draft a QB at #2.

[Puntit]

If Cleveland wants Lynch they probably need to leapfrog SF. Which means some of their trade booty will need to go to Baltimore. And the price goes up phenomenally if Tunsil or Ramsey is available at 6.

[juice78]

  23 minutes ago, verified said:

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

If only we had another 2nd round pick than l would trade with San Diego to get Ramsey because if San Diego wanted Tunsil they could still get him at 6. Dallas and Jacksonville are not interested in Tunsil. If the Ravens would've trade up the Chargers would've been the perfect trade partner because they would probably end up with Tunsil any way at number 6. But by not having a extra second round pick, l see this very unlikely.

I don't think any player is worth trading up for this year. Neither Wentz nor Goff are considered #1 or #2 picks and teams just mortgaged their near futures for them. I think the Ravens are in great shape at #6, which is, as I stated before, essentially pick #4. They're going to get an excellent player that will, to varying degrees depending on who it is, will fill a need on the roster. I think I'd much rather see the Ravens try to get rid of 2 4th rounders and their 6th for another 2nd round pick.

[juice78]

  2 hours ago, Crusader said:

  2 hours ago, juice78 said:

The Ravens (for their purposes) now have pick #4 in the draft.
I know the Ravens go "best player available" (usually), but here's my logic to the pick:
Positions of need:

OL (LT and LG): If Ravens draft Tunsil, where does he play? Do they work him onto the field at LG first? LT? If LT, where does Monroe play?

RUSH/OLB: Yes, Sizzle and Doom are in their 30s. But do you actually sit/cut either of them in 2016? Do you spend pick #6 on someone who won't be an every-down OLB while Suggs and Dumervil are still on the roster?

DL (interior): With Canty gone, there's a spot to fill. Is there someone on the roster who is ready to start in 2016? K L-M?

ILB: Daryl Smith was cut. Zach Orr might not be a big name, but he showed talent playing ILB last year. He might be an immediate replacement.

DB/CB: Weddle is going to start. Do the Ravens trust Webb enough to start him next to Weddle? Is he trade bait? Post-June 1-cut? What about Brooks? Beuhler? Beuhler? I don't really trust Webb any more. Who starts opposite Jimmy Smith?

So, I see the Ravens' highest need(s) as (in order):
DB
LT
DL
ILB
OLB

The best players in the draft (as ranked by NFL.com):
Tunsil (LT)
Jack (ILB) [injury question]
Buckner (DL) (had more sacks than Ramsey)
Elliot (RB)
Ramsey (DB)
Bosa (OLB/RUSH)

My 3-5 Predictions
Chargers: Ramsey (They cut Weddle and need a new franchise safety)
Cowboys: Bosa or Elliot
Jaguars: Jack

Which leaves the Ravens choosing from:
Tunsil
Buckner
Elliot or Bosa

Matching best player available to need, I predict the Ravens select Laremy Tunsil.
If they consider need a little more, I predict they take Buckner

I agree and a LT seems the likely choice. I see Cowboys selecting Bosa. I would be shocked otherwise.

I wouldn't be shocked if they took Elliot. I'm sure Jerry is hearing a lot about how he might be the next Adrian Peterson.

But then again, he's probably also heard Bosa referred to as the next JJ Watt.

[hen826957]

  19 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

  31 minutes ago, verified said:

if jalen ramsey is there at 4 we need to make a trade with dallas and move up to get him.

If only we had another 2nd round pick than l would trade with San Diego to get Ramsey because if San Diego wanted Tunsil they could still get him at 6. Dallas and Jacksonville are not interested in Tunsil. If the Ravens would've trade up the Chargers would've been the perfect trade partner because they would probably end up with Tunsil any way at number 6. But by not having a extra second round pick, l see this very unlikely.

I concur. We would have to give up our first rounder plus our third rounder (that translates roughly exactly to the #4 spot) for this trade. This would mean only two picks in the first three rounds - in a draft where rounds 2-3 may prove to be pivotal.

Do you mean switching places with the Chargers and Ravens from 3rd and 6th picks plus a 3rd round to San Diego or you mean a Cowboys trade? Do the Ravens have a extra 3rd rounder or not? If that's the case, l will make that trade then if l was in the front office. I thought you might have to give a second rounder to move 3 spots.