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[whobilly]

The pick BETTER be an absolute stud.

[b93333]

If the Ravens can solidify their OL... and if Suggs comes back in shape and motivated we should be in for a good year. With that said Tunsil looks like the best case scenario. If he's gone there doesn't seem to be a clear best case scenario... maybe Bosa?

[Tobenna_MBA]

Josh Norman wants 16 million per year.. That almost guarantees Not in Baltimore lol. Best case scenario he goes to Jacksonville or Sandiego who then pass on Jalen Ramsey.. Mwuahahah

[fusuymada]

I don't know if the Ravens are gaga over some of these guys. Some of these guys have character flaws that the Ravens tend to shy away from. I believe the Ravens like Ramsey, Buckner and Jack and for some reason if they are all gone, I think they will trade back a few spots and grab Hargreaves. Tunsil, Bosa and a couple other guys have some off-field concerns and whether or not they are serious enough for the Ravens to back off, I don't have that knowledge but I am just basing it on the Ravens not risking the first pick at all with a player that may even have the smallest chance of screwing up. Hargreaves is squeaky clean, comes from an NFL house where his father coached for the Dolphins and is very NFL ready. My choice is the Ravens will take a DB in the first round (Ramsey or Hargreaves) and fill in with Pass rusher in the second with Spence or Nkemdiche, who will fall down the board, where taking a risk isn't quite as risky. Sometimes I base it on what they say and this time DeCosta keeps going on about getting a pass rusher and they can get a corner later between 24 and 36 where there are a number. I think that thought is being put out there a little too much making me think it is subterfuge. I was right last year when they kept saying everything but receiver and even said they may not even draft a receiver. That led me to believe that is exactly what they would do and that was the way it went down.

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I don't know if the Ravens are gaga over some of these guys. Some of these guys have character flaws that the Ravens tend to shy away from. I believe the Ravens like Ramsey, Buckner and Jack and for some reason if they are all gone, I think they will trade back a few spots and grab Hargreaves. Tunsil, Bosa and a couple other guys have some off-field concerns and whether or not they are serious enough for the Ravens to back off, I don't have that knowledge but I am just basing it on the Ravens not risking the first pick at all with a player that may even have the smallest chance of screwing up. Hargreaves is squeaky clean, comes from an NFL house where his father coached for the Dolphins and is very NFL ready. My choice is the Ravens will take a DB in the first round (Ramsey or Hargreaves) and fill in with Pass rusher in the second with Spence or Nkemdiche, who will fall down the board, where taking a risk isn't quite as risky. Sometimes I base it on what they say and this time DeCosta keeps going on about getting a pass rusher and they can get a corner later between 24 and 36 where there are a number. I think that thought is being put out there a little too much making me think it is subterfuge. I was right last year when they kept saying everything but receiver and even said they may not even draft a receiver. That led me to believe that is exactly what they would do and that was the way it went down.

1. I don't think Jack is in consideration... far too many issues with his knee. Some of these guys don't really have off-field issues (Tunsil or Bosa), but Jack has major ON FIELD question marks. 

2. I don't think Buckner is the kind of impact defensive player we are looking for, so I don't think he's in consideration.

My guess is... Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa and Hargreaves are the four we are looking at... in that order.

[MKM3917]

If the Ravens can solidify their OL... and if Suggs comes back in shape and motivated we should be in for a good year. With that said Tunsil looks like the best case scenario. If he's gone there doesn't seem to be a clear best case scenario... maybe Bosa?

Tunsil is a fit, but where do you start him? The obvious answer is LT, but Monroe is under contract and the chances of getting anything in a trade for him are seriously hurt by his recent injury history and contract. YOu can't cut Monroe because of his dead money and resulting cap hit. You could move Tunsil inside to LG, like they did with Ogden for a season, but there are no guarantees that works to solidify the OL.

Most of the "studs" early in this draft are on the defensive side of the ball. The Ravens need to get one of them. Ramsey, Jack and Buckner are all better fits with the Ravens than Bosa, who would be moving from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB..

[fluffy201]

I don't know if the Ravens are gaga over some of these guys. Some of these guys have character flaws that the Ravens tend to shy away from. I believe the Ravens like Ramsey, Buckner and Jack and for some reason if they are all gone, I think they will trade back a few spots and grab Hargreaves. Tunsil, Bosa and a couple other guys have some off-field concerns and whether or not they are serious enough for the Ravens to back off, I don't have that knowledge but I am just basing it on the Ravens not risking the first pick at all with a player that may even have the smallest chance of screwing up. Hargreaves is squeaky clean, comes from an NFL house where his father coached for the Dolphins and is very NFL ready. My choice is the Ravens will take a DB in the first round (Ramsey or Hargreaves) and fill in with Pass rusher in the second with Spence or Nkemdiche, who will fall down the board, where taking a risk isn't quite as risky. Sometimes I base it on what they say and this time DeCosta keeps going on about getting a pass rusher and they can get a corner later between 24 and 36 where there are a number. I think that thought is being put out there a little too much making me think it is subterfuge. I was right last year when they kept saying everything but receiver and even said they may not even draft a receiver. That led me to believe that is exactly what they would do and that was the way it went down.

Yea, but if Ramsey does not fall to us, which most think he will not than we are left with Hargreaves who I would love to get, but I don't see him really outside the top 10 picks. So if the Ravens did trade back it could not be far.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, MKM3917 said:

Tunsil is a fit, but where do you start him? The obvious answer is LT, but Monroe is under contract and the chances of getting anything in a trade for him are seriously hurt by his recent injury history and contract. YOu can't cut Monroe because of his dead money and resulting cap hit. You could move Tunsil inside to LG, like they did with Ogden for a season, but there are no guarantees that works to solidify the OL.

Most of the "studs" early in this draft are on the defensive side of the ball. The Ravens need to get one of them. Ramsey, Jack and Buckner are all better fits with the Ravens than Bosa, who would be moving from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB..

Here are my issues with this: 

1. The dead money is exactly that... dead. Its not really something you should be considering in decision making, because its a sunk cost. If you cut him before June 1, he saves $2.1M against the 2016 cap. If you cut him Post June 1, he saves $6.5M against the 2016 cap, with a $4.4M cap hit in 2017.

So the cap savings are the numbers you should be looking at. Can we find a better LT for $2.1M in 2016? If we draft Tunsil, the answer is pretty much yes (though he costs a bit more than that, but so would any draft pick we take there).

Frankly, if you cut him post June 1 and spread out the cap impact over two years, releasing Monroe probably pays for most of our draft class. With over $10M in cap space currently, you can roll over some of that into next season to cover the 2017 dead money impact on Monroe's deal.

OR, a third option... you keep them both, let them compete for the job, and the loser is the backup (or starts at LG). If Tunsil wins that battle, ask yourself this... would you take a $2.1M cap hit to have a very good backup LT?

Me personally, I don't think Buckner and Jack are serious considerations for us at #6. Jack's knee is a major concern, and I just don't see how Buckner makes this team a lot better. He's not a great pass rusher, and he's a 3-4 DE, meaning he's not really asked to rush the passer. If we are taking a defensive player, I think we want somebody who sacks the QB or takes the ball away.

I think their order of preference is Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves, trade back.

[cobrajet]

26 minutes ago, Tobenna_MBA said:

Josh Norman wants 16 million per year.. That almost guarantees Not in Baltimore lol. Best case scenario he goes to Jacksonville or Sandiego who then pass on Jalen Ramsey.. Mwuahahah

I thought about that also, but if Ramsey is in play for them - then why sign Norman and take that big cap hit? If they did sign Norman, then they may trade the pick to another team, who would certainly be interested in moving up to take Ramsey.

[MKM3917]

  14 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I don't know if the Ravens are gaga over some of these guys. Some of these guys have character flaws that the Ravens tend to shy away from. I believe the Ravens like Ramsey, Buckner and Jack and for some reason if they are all gone, I think they will trade back a few spots and grab Hargreaves. Tunsil, Bosa and a couple other guys have some off-field concerns and whether or not they are serious enough for the Ravens to back off, I don't have that knowledge but I am just basing it on the Ravens not risking the first pick at all with a player that may even have the smallest chance of screwing up. Hargreaves is squeaky clean, comes from an NFL house where his father coached for the Dolphins and is very NFL ready. My choice is the Ravens will take a DB in the first round (Ramsey or Hargreaves) and fill in with Pass rusher in the second with Spence or Nkemdiche, who will fall down the board, where taking a risk isn't quite as risky. Sometimes I base it on what they say and this time DeCosta keeps going on about getting a pass rusher and they can get a corner later between 24 and 36 where there are a number. I think that thought is being put out there a little too much making me think it is subterfuge. I was right last year when they kept saying everything but receiver and even said they may not even draft a receiver. That led me to believe that is exactly what they would do and that was the way it went down.

Yea, but if Ramsey does not fall to us, which most think he will not than we are left with Hargreaves who I would love to get, but I don't see him really outside the top 10 picks. So if the Ravens did trade back it could not be far.

It wouldn't be out of character for Ozzie to try to jump up to Dallas' spot at 4 and draft Ramsey if San Diego chooses Tunsil. And the cost wouldn't be huge, they could probably do it for one of our 4ths and a mid round pick next year.

[steelcityraven]

Why Not Jaylon Smith in the 4th??? He is a top 10 pick and we have a ton of picks in round 4. Yea he wouldn't be available this year but in the big picture... he would be more then worth a 4th round pick.

[Fastynart]

After seeing what the first two teams got from teams desperate enough to give away their franchises for one of two less than stellar quarterbacks, the Chargers and Ravens should be salivating at the possibility of fleecing the next team foolish enough to follow in the footsteps of the Rams and Eagles. Unfortunately no other quarterbacks are in the mix so the cost will drop significantly, but if a later first round pick can be had, along with a few others, then maybe. It does make the draft more interesting though.

[ALI624]

I think you do have to be concerned with taking Tunsil because of his injuries, he has not played a full season in college and we already have a LT that gets hurt. Personally,(I know I'm going to get negged) I would like to see us get back to having a dominant defense that teams feared and had to gameplan for, but I would understand taking Tunsil, I would just rather take Ramsey,(probably not there) Bosa, Jack(if our doctors approve) or VH3(probably would have to be a trade back.) That's just the direction I would like us to go in, I don't think I'm wrong, I just have a different perspective.

[757RavensFan]

9 minutes ago, MKM3917 said:

It wouldn't be out of character for Ozzie to try to jump up to Dallas' spot at 4 and draft Ramsey if San Diego chooses Tunsil. And the cost wouldn't be huge, they could probably do it for one of our 4ths and a mid round pick next year.

It would be very much out of character if Ozzie's first move was trading up.  

Granted he moved up to get Flacco, but that was AFTER trading back from their original position. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Josh Norman wants 16 million per year.. That almost guarantees Not in Baltimore lol. Best case scenario he goes to Jacksonville or Sandiego who then pass on Jalen Ramsey.. Mwuahahah

I would love that to happen as it would more likely push him to us. I just see him going back to CAR though. Apparently his agent misrepresented him and was trying to get as much money as possible. Norman wants to be paid at the same range as Sherman and Revis, I think that 5 year, $60 million with a ton guaranteed gets it done.

[757RavensFan]

14 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Why Not Jaylon Smith in the 4th??? He is a top 10 pick and we have a ton of picks in round 4. Yea he wouldn't be available this year but in the big picture... he would be more then worth a 4th round pick.

 I wouldn't mind taking him w/ a 4th round pick.  There's a lot of players we drafted in the past few years who were 4th round picks who are no longer on the team. 

[rmcjacket23]

17 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I thought about that also, but if Ramsey is in play for them - then why sign Norman and take that big cap hit? If they did sign Norman, then they may trade the pick to another team, who would certainly be interested in moving up to take Ramsey.

I guess the idea is Norman is a corner and Ramsey is a safety.

I don't think both make a ton of sense for Jacksonville, since they just invested in Gipson at FS this offseason. Signing Norman makes sense, but I don't think doing both does.

[RavensDieHard21]

  37 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I don't know if the Ravens are gaga over some of these guys. Some of these guys have character flaws that the Ravens tend to shy away from. I believe the Ravens like Ramsey, Buckner and Jack and for some reason if they are all gone, I think they will trade back a few spots and grab Hargreaves. Tunsil, Bosa and a couple other guys have some off-field concerns and whether or not they are serious enough for the Ravens to back off, I don't have that knowledge but I am just basing it on the Ravens not risking the first pick at all with a player that may even have the smallest chance of screwing up. Hargreaves is squeaky clean, comes from an NFL house where his father coached for the Dolphins and is very NFL ready. My choice is the Ravens will take a DB in the first round (Ramsey or Hargreaves) and fill in with Pass rusher in the second with Spence or Nkemdiche, who will fall down the board, where taking a risk isn't quite as risky. Sometimes I base it on what they say and this time DeCosta keeps going on about getting a pass rusher and they can get a corner later between 24 and 36 where there are a number. I think that thought is being put out there a little too much making me think it is subterfuge. I was right last year when they kept saying everything but receiver and even said they may not even draft a receiver. That led me to believe that is exactly what they would do and that was the way it went down.

1. I don't think Jack is in consideration... far too many issues with his knee. Some of these guys don't really have off-field issues (Tunsil or Bosa), but Jack has major ON FIELD question marks. 

2. I don't think Buckner is the kind of impact defensive player we are looking for, so I don't think he's in consideration.

My guess is... Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa and Hargreaves are the four we are looking at... in that order.

I think Jack's appeal to us will all depend on what our team doctors believe on the status of his knee. But I agree, he might be slightly too much of a risk.

Buckner as well isn't as refined as far as his ability to get leverage against guards with good technique and size. Plus, Hensley's description of him simply filling Canty's spot doesn't sound nearly as appealing.

[chunkywill25]

Jack..  no matter what. Lol jk. I want bosa, tunsil, or jack. This is assuming ramsey's gone. I dot want us to trade back at all. Even if jack's knee is a time bomb, 6 years of high level production would be worth it to me and that's assuming his knee actually goes out. Who knows, he might have a full career. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Jack's appeal to us will all depend on what our team doctors believe on the status of his knee. But I agree, he might be slightly too much of a risk.

Buckner as well isn't as refined as far as his ability to get leverage against guards with good technique and size. Plus, Hensley's description of him simply filling Canty's spot doesn't sound nearly as appealing.

I'd ask this...

What if we said that Buckner's ceiling is Haloti Ngata? Does that make him worth the #6 pick in the draft?

[RavensDieHard21]

I would absolutely stay put at 6. There is an elite prospect waiting to be selected. I would not trade back unless it is within 5 spots. After the top 10, the prospects are good, some very good, but not great or necessarily blue chippers, which DeCosta stated he felt there was 4-6 of those and 2 very very good ones. I could guess that Tunsil, Jack, Bosa, Elliot and Ramsey are the locks to be blue chips and Stanley, Buckner, and Hargreaves are the very very good ones. If Tunsil, Bosa, and Ramsey are off the board, then I would trade back if it was possible 3-5 spots for at least a second rounder, or a third and fourth and pray that Hargreaves, Elliot, Jack, or Elliot are still there. Just my thoughts

[hen826957]

Getting Ramsey somehow would be absolute huge for us. Imagine having the 4 Weddle, Webb, Jimmy Smith, Ramsey. If Jaylon Smith slips to the 3rd or 4th round that could be a risk reward pickup for LB and if at his full strengh he could be a beast and start next to Mosley and another 4 round pick can be use for a OT because Ozzie finds great OT in these types of rounds . The second round could be a Passrusher like Noah Spence who reminds me of Dumervil and Von Miller. So the corner, Passrusher, OT, and maybe LB will be taking care of in the draft. But if to make this draft possible we gotta hope Ramsey could fall to us. It's probably the best player on thier board with Tunsil close second.

[FGSB]

Please don't draft Jack, we already have a 1st round pick who hasn't played due to knee problems lets not make it two in a row

I don't care what the potential upside is, its too big a gamble

[Black&purple#55]

Please don't draft Jack, we already have a 1st round pick who hasn't played due to knee problems lets not make it two in a row

I don't care what the potential upside is, its too big a gamble

I agree with u

[Black&purple#55]

Dreaming
round #1 Bosa
round #2 Spence.

Hoping Jags go after Josh norman, that would make Ramsey available to us

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, MKM3917 said:

It wouldn't be out of character for Ozzie to try to jump up to Dallas' spot at 4 and draft Ramsey if San Diego chooses Tunsil. And the cost wouldn't be huge, they could probably do it for one of our 4ths and a mid round pick next year.

1. I don't know why Dallas would do that deal, since I'm sure they have tremendous interest in Ramsey themselves and would very likely take him there. He's a big need for that team.

2. The only way they would do that deal is if they were convinced they could get the same player at 6 that they wanted at 4, which obviously isn't guaranteed with them sharing similar needs to Jacksonville.

Would be a pretty risky trade for Dallas, and I'd certainly think they would value that risk at significantly higher than a 4th round pick. If I were them, I'd be asking for a 2nd rounder for that deal.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. I don't know why Dallas would do that deal, since I'm sure they have tremendous interest in Ramsey themselves and would very likely take him there. He's a big need for that team.

2. The only way they would do that deal is if they were convinced they could get the same player at 6 that they wanted at 4, which obviously isn't guaranteed with them sharing similar needs to Jacksonville.

Would be a pretty risky trade for Dallas, and I'd certainly think they would value that risk at significantly higher than a 4th round pick. If I were them, I'd be asking for a 2nd rounder for that deal.

And considering how high our second is, no thanks

[EvilWayz]

  13 minutes ago, FGSB said:

Please don't draft Jack, we already have a 1st round pick who hasn't played due to knee problems lets not make it two in a row

I don't care what the potential upside is, its too big a gamble

I agree with u

I also agree

[juice78]

The Ravens (for their purposes) now have pick #4 in the draft.
I know the Ravens go "best player available" (usually), but here's my logic to the pick:
Positions of need:

OL (LT and LG): If Ravens draft Tunsil, where does he play? Do they work him onto the field at LG first? LT? If LT, where does Monroe play?

RUSH/OLB: Yes, Sizzle and Doom are in their 30s. But do you actually sit/cut either of them in 2016? Do you spend pick #6 on someone who won't be an every-down OLB while Suggs and Dumervil are still on the roster?

DL (interior): With Canty gone, there's a spot to fill. Is there someone on the roster who is ready to start in 2016? K L-M?

ILB: Daryl Smith was cut. Zach Orr might not be a big name, but he showed talent playing ILB last year. He might be an immediate replacement.

DB/CB: Weddle is going to start. Do the Ravens trust Webb enough to start him next to Weddle? Is he trade bait? Post-June 1-cut? What about Brooks? Beuhler? Beuhler? I don't really trust Webb any more. Who starts opposite Jimmy Smith?

So, I see the Ravens' highest need(s) as (in order):
DB
LT
DL
ILB
OLB

The best players in the draft (as ranked by NFL.com):
Tunsil (LT)
Jack (ILB) [injury question]
Buckner (DL) (had more sacks than Ramsey)
Elliot (RB)
Ramsey (DB)
Bosa (OLB/RUSH)

My 3-5 Predictions
Chargers: Ramsey (They cut Weddle and need a new franchise safety)
Cowboys: Bosa or Elliot
Jaguars: Jack

Which leaves the Ravens choosing from:
Tunsil
Buckner
Elliot or Bosa

Matching best player available to need, I predict the Ravens select Laremy Tunsil.
If they consider need a little more, I predict they take Buckner