Cowboys' lack of DE depth helping us?

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well, I don't see a 6th overall pick in a DE/DT hybrid who plays tall and gets put on skates regularly as a guy who scream ravens to me.

Conklin absolutely man handled him and I have watched his tape where he too often goes to high off the snap and average guards stand him up and he starts to flail his arms in chance the ball comes his way. He has work to do, I don't get the hate for Bosa at all. PFF has him #1 overall and most boards have him in the top 4...

[RavensDieHard21]

Ramsey could very well be at the top of Dallas's board, but Stephen Jones himself has said he is really concentrating on landing a pass rusher. Lawrence will be good when back but Gregory is gone and he is still not developed enough to play at a high level in the pros. He is still very lean. The talent at DE falls off fast so we will see how that influences their pick. Realistically after Bosa, Floyd, Dodd, Lawson, and Spence, there are a lot more question marks on the prospects. 

[ellicottraven]

The fascinating thing is the evolution of forum members' minds over the course of this draft process. A few months ago, during the final stretch of the season, we would've killed and wanted to desperately lose to land Bosa. We even talked about coining a phrase similar to 'Suck for Luck' with Bosa.

Now, as the draft closes in not so much excitement as he is a distinct possibility. No one talked much about Buckner or Tunsil or Ramsey. Ramsey started heating up simply because he was the one that would be available to us when we picked. Then again nobody even mentioned Myles Jack till I started a thread asking why we were ignoring him for our #6 pick. Now, he is one of the clearly desired prospects we want as a Raven and understandably so.

That is what I love about our boards. We research, we hear, we see, some even project themselves as serious tape watchers much like NFL team scouts and have conviction laden opinions on prospects and change their opinions just like the rest of us. But, after everything is written, critiqued, sometimes ridiculed even, we all still enjoy the process. We must be amongst the most educated and passionate fans in all of the NFL. Who else can compare to us? 

[ALPHA]

There are rumors about the Cowboys possibly taking Shaq Lawson after showing a lot of interest, that wouldn't be the only swerve Jerry has made over the past few years.

[BmoreBird22]

I understand people saying they need to think about this as a move for 10 years, but you also have to consider that there's a very good chance that Gregory isn't even in the league in 10 years. He's clearly got a problem that followed him through college and into the NFL to the point that he's failed enough drug tests to be suspended for 10 games (isn't that four failed tests?). And now you have Lawrence, whom I know very little about, but he's failed a drug test and will be out for four games.

They just lost Hardy, who gave them six sacks, and Lawrence, who gave them eight, is done for four games. That's a lot of pass rush to lose on a team that's not overloaded with defensive line depth. I could totally see them take a pass rusher because they just don't have much of a pass rush to speak of. This team finished bottom six in sacks and just lost their best pass rusher for good and their second best one to suspension. That's a big deal.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

The fascinating thing is the evolution of forum members' minds over the course of this draft process. A few months ago, during the final stretch of the season, we would've killed and wanted to desperately lose to land Bosa. We even talked about coining a phrase similar to 'Suck for Luck' with Bosa.

Now, as the draft closes in not so much excitement as he is a distinct possibility. No one talked much about Buckner or Tunsil or Ramsey. Ramsey started heating up simply because he was the one that would be available to us when we picked. Then again nobody even mentioned Myles Jack till I started a thread asking why we were ignoring him for our #6 pick. Now, he is one of the clearly desired prospects we want as a Raven and understandably so.

That is what I love about our boards. We research, we hear, we see, some even project themselves as serious tape watchers much like NFL team scouts and have conviction laden opinions on prospects and change their opinions just like the rest of us. But, after everything is written, critiqued, sometimes ridiculed even, we all still enjoy the process. We must be amongst the most educated and passionate fans in all of the NFL. Who else can compare to us? 

Amen! Lol I think we just all love our team and get excited about new members joining it to get us back into the big games in January. Wasn't there a survey recently that ranked Ravens fans in the top three of being the most knowledgable of the sport and team? I think it was a few months ago. But I'd say we're the most well informed and unified!

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

The fascinating thing is the evolution of forum members' minds over the course of this draft process. A few months ago, during the final stretch of the season, we would've killed and wanted to desperately lose to land Bosa. We even talked about coining a phrase similar to 'Suck for Luck' with Bosa.

Now, as the draft closes in not so much excitement as he is a distinct possibility. No one talked much about Buckner or Tunsil or Ramsey. Ramsey started heating up simply because he was the one that would be available to us when we picked. Then again nobody even mentioned Myles Jack till I started a thread asking why we were ignoring him for our #6 pick. Now, he is one of the clearly desired prospects we want as a Raven and understandably so.

That is what I love about our boards. We research, we hear, we see, some even project themselves as serious tape watchers much like NFL team scouts and have conviction laden opinions on prospects and change their opinions just like the rest of us. But, after everything is written, critiqued, sometimes ridiculed even, we all still enjoy the process. We must be amongst the most educated and passionate fans in all of the NFL. Who else can compare to us? 

That's why I love these boards. I like to think I have a mind and eye for football, I can't find people in the real world who know how to do anything more than follow a ball. I love draft season almost as much as the real season and I get sad when it's over and already start watching the next crop of prospects. 

 

I was hyping jalen Ramsey long before TC started last year and everyone was like "would you really take him over bosa though?" lol. And we all thought the discussion was moot because we stood no chance of landing such a high talent. I flip flopped on Ramsey hard, same with jack and jaylon smith and vh3. Never flipped on bosa though, I thought hed be a top 3 guy on our board from day one and still believe so.

[JoeyFlex5]

11 hours ago, rmw10 said:

By no means am I saying he's likely to get busted for it. Hell, I would be pumped to have him here. I highly doubt any team is just going to ignore that, though. 

They won't ignore it because teams do their research on a players character. Just because they have to do some more digging doesn't mean they change their grade on him. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, ALPHA said:

There are rumors about the Cowboys possibly taking Shaq Lawson after showing a lot of interest, that wouldn't be the only swerve Jerry has made over the past few years.

Wouldn't be shocked. I think they would be fielding trade offers though because one of Ramsey or tunsil will be available at that point and some team will want him badly.

[ellicottraven]

In this particular draft I just want to stick with our pick and take the best player available per our front office. I'll try never to second guess Ozzie Newsome and Eric DeCosta. If they believe they have a franchise player in their sights and they pull the trigger, I'll get behind that pick because after all the research, tape watching, interviews and scouting we determined he was the best player available. That is good enough for me my friends. But, I'm secretly hoping it is Ramsey or Tunsil.

[rmw10]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They won't ignore it because teams do their research on a players character. Just because they have to do some more digging doesn't mean they change their grade on him. 

How do we know that isn't a major factor in their grade on him?  Again, not saying it is, but we can't speak in absolutes. 

[Gordo52]

On April 21, 2016 at 9:07 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Bosas issues are practically non-existent. I don't see them being scared of bosas non issues after taking Gregory and bridging hardy. I truly think they won't learn their lesson, not that their past problems has anything to do with bosa anyway

Agreed they're non issue for me too but who knows. After experiencing that with Hardy, plus the Lawrence & Gregory suspensions, they might be more more delicate and hesitant drafting someone with any baggage or character concerns. Slight as they be. Especially at #4. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, Gordo52 said:

Agreed they're non issue for me too but who knows. After experiencing that with Hardy, plus the Lawrence & Gregory suspensions, they might be more more delicate and hesitant drafting someone with any baggage or character concerns. Slight as they be. Especially at #4. 

I almost feel like the Cowboys WANT to have that thug defensive picture. I mean you don't put Rolando McClain, Gregory, and Hardy on the same team together. Lawrence just adds to the fun. I still think they look very hard at Bosa because if he is top 3 on their board they are still taking him because the need is so high. If he is lower than that I can see them going BPA.

[Kinda_Dante]

10 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

In this particular draft I just want to stick with our pick and take the best player available per our front office. I'll try never to second guess Ozzie Newsome and Eric DeCosta. If they believe they have a franchise player in their sights and they pull the trigger, I'll get behind that pick because after all the research, tape watching, interviews and scouting we determined he was the best player available. That is good enough for me my friends. But, I'm secretly hoping it is Ramsey or Tunsil.

I agree 100% at the end of the day I will get behind whoever they pick whether I liked the player or not I figure they know more than I do... Unless the pick is Stanley lol then I might lose it.

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I almost feel like the Cowboys WANT to have that thug defensive picture. I mean you don't put Rolando McClain, Gregory, and Hardy on the same team together. Lawrence just adds to the fun. I still think they look very hard at Bosa because if he is top 3 on their board they are still taking him because the need is so high. If he is lower than that I can see them going BPA.

Honestly, I think a lot of teams do and I think the Ravens are moving back to that. Not an off the field thug look, but an on the field, punch you in the mouth type.

[ALPHA]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Honestly, I think a lot of teams do and I think the Ravens are moving back to that. Not an off the field thug look, but an on the field, punch you in the mouth type.

We're definitely lacking in attitude, who can pump our defense up and find that extra gear when Brady marches down the filed?

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ALPHA said:

We're definitely lacking in attitude, who can pump our defense up and find that extra gear when Brady marches down the filed?

Jalen Ramsey because the Ravens are gonna jump up to three and grab that alpha dog.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Honestly, I think a lot of teams do and I think the Ravens are moving back to that. Not an off the field thug look, but an on the field, punch you in the mouth type.

I mean we tried with Will Hill and Rolando McClain. It's okay if you try a guy here and there to see because of the upside but they had McClain, Gregory, Hardy, and Lawerence all on the roster last year. Now it has blown up in their face. I can see them staying from Bosa because of that but I still think they look at Bosa. That many people with off the field things going on is not good for a lockerroom period.

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Jalen Ramsey because the Ravens are gonna jump up to three and grab that alpha dog.

My dream (or tunsil)

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

My dream (or tunsil)

The Ravens have made it clear they want a defensive playmaker, so if they move up, I am willing to put money it's for Ramsey.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

I mean we tried with Will Hill and Rolando McClain. It's okay if you try a guy here and there to see because of the upside but they had McClain, Gregory, Hardy, and Lawerence all on the roster last year. Now it has blown up in their face. I can see them staying from Bosa because of that but I still think they look at Bosa. That many people with off the field things going on is not good for a lockerroom period.

I don't think they'd avoid Bosa because of rumored issues. With McClain and Hardy, they had a history with the law. Bosa does not.

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

The Ravens have made it clear they want a defensive playmaker, so if they move up, I am willing to put money it's for Ramsey.

So would I. Tunsil was for me

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

So would I. Tunsil was for me

I'd take Tunsil in a heartbeat at 6

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd take Tunsil in a heartbeat at 6

That long?  

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

That long?  

I'm out of shape; I can't get up there that fast.

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm out of shape; I can't get up there that fast.

Hand the card to Perriman then.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Hand the card to Perriman then.

Too soon?

[ludy51]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Too soon?

Very possible

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, ludy51 said:

Hand the card to Perriman then.

This is a quality post. Well done. 

[ludy51]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

This is a quality post. Well done.