Cowboys' lack of DE depth helping us?

[PurpleReign22]

Demarcus Lawrence is facing a four game ban after failing another drug test, Randy Gregory is facing a suspension as well and we all know Greg Hardy is out of a job. I was wondering does anyone think this will likely force Dallas to draft Bosa or Buckner to offset their losses? With 2 qbs going at 1 and 2 overall if Tunsil were to go next, which is likely, this may give us a chance to take Ramsey or Myles Jack depending on Jacksonville's pick. Either could have a colossal impact on the defensive side of the ball for us in their first year  but how likely is it they'll fall due to this?

Edited April 21, 2016 by PurpleReign22

[rmw10]

Nope.  They've turned into a smart drafting team now since they finally have people overruling Jerry.  They aren't going to panic.  They'll pick their highest rated player.  That could be Bosa, but all signs point to Ramsey and I don't expect that to change.

[Inqui]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Nope.  They've turned into a smart drafting team now since they finally have people overruling Jerry.  They aren't going to panic.  They'll pick their highest rated player.  That could be Bosa, but all signs point to Ramsey and I don't expect that to change.

Exactly. With any draft pick (much less one this high) you're hoping to get at least 10 years out of that prospect. Four weeks in a player's rookie season is absolutely nothing in the scheme of what you hope that player's career will become, so there's no way it affects the Cowboys' board. And frankly, if it does affect their board then their FO is manned with short-thinking people who have no business being in an NFL FO.

[PurpleReign22]

Probably just wishful thinking on my part to hope that the best player in the class is there at 6 for us, but with so much DL depth in this class they could always address their need later and most likely will. Gotta say i'd love to see Ramsey or Jack in purple and black though, they're my favorite prospects in this class by far.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, PurpleReign22 said:

Probably just wishful thinking on my part to hope that the best player in the class is there at 6 for us, but with so much DL depth in this class they could always address their need later and most likely will. Gotta say i'd love to see Ramsey or Jack in purple and black though, they're my favorite prospects in this class by far.

I mean, anything is possible.  I wouldn't get your hopes up, though.  Dallas could very well go Bosa, but I don't think they're that dumb.  That's not to belittle Bosa at all, but if Ramsey is their top guy, they'd be stupid to bypass him.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd say the opposite. I would prefer bosa over jack because even though I understand that concerns over Jack's knee are likely overblown, I'm still weary. If the scenario is Dallas passing on Ramsey for bosa, then Ramsey likely goes 5, leaving us with jack. Which could be incredible but it could also be a disaster if his knee is not ok. He did seem to be favoring one knee in his workouts.

[ellicottraven]

There is a more distinct possibility that we'll be left to choose between Bosa and Buckner. I won't be surprised at all if Buckner is higher on our board than Bosa is despite our need for a pass rusher.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

There is a more distinct possibility that we'll be left to choose between Bosa and Buckner. I won't be surprised at all if Buckner is higher on our board than Bosa is despite our need for a pass rusher.

I dont see it. We've never drafted a first rounder without meeting with them, the ravens so far have shown zero interest in buckner, I'd be absolutely shocked. I don't think pro scouts are as high on buckner as fans and media

[ellicottraven]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I dont see it. We've never drafted a first rounder without meeting with them, the ravens so far have shown zero interest in buckner, I'd be absolutely shocked. I don't think pro scouts are as high on buckner as fans and media

In fact I have a sense that that could be a smoke screen, a legitimate one. Their scouts do a pretty phenomenal job with prospects and what is to say that the Ravens haven't secretly met with him? I'm not saying they did, but how do we know for a fact. Every thing I've read about Buckner screams Ravens like qualities to me. So, we'll just have to wait and find out. Then again, if Mr. Tunsil falls to us, I would take him over anybody that is not named GOD.

[trevorsteadman]

Their DE need is not overblown. Their defense has been lacking how many seasons now? They do not have Hardy anymore, Gregory is out a majority of the season and let's be honest he will most likely get suspended even longer tomorrow with today being 4/20. Demarcus Lawerence gone 4 games has the Cowboys in a tight spot. I also think even if the Cowboys draft Bosa he may be the highest rated player on their board anyway. I still do not understand the hate towards Bosa. He has probably been one of the most consistent players throughout this process as his skills and stock go.

[Edgar]

44 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

In fact I have a sense that that could be a smoke screen, a legitimate one. Their scouts do a pretty phenomenal job with prospects and what is to say that the Ravens haven't secretly met with him? I'm not saying they did, but how do we know for a fact. Every thing I've read about Buckner screams Ravens like qualities to me. So, we'll just have to wait and find out. Then again, if Mr. Tunsil falls to us, I would take him over anybody that is not named GOD.

I agree with this sense that Buckner feels like a Raven. I like him a lot.

It wouldn't surprise me if we picked him over Bosa.

[trevorsteadman]

11 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I agree with this sense that Buckner feels like a Raven. I like him a lot.

It wouldn't surprise me if we picked him over Bosa.

I could see it go either way as well. Just them not meeting with him makes me believe he is not on their radar which is strange. You would think they would meet with most 1st round prospects. I understand how everyone wants their player and calls them a Raven player but no matter who you choose out of Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Buckner, Bosa, and even Hargreaves I think all would look good in Baltimore and all have huge roles.

[glen ferguson]

I strongly believe Bosa will be a cowboy. They need this guy badly.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

In fact I have a sense that that could be a smoke screen, a legitimate one. Their scouts do a pretty phenomenal job with prospects and what is to say that the Ravens haven't secretly met with him? I'm not saying they did, but how do we know for a fact. Every thing I've read about Buckner screams Ravens like qualities to me. So, we'll just have to wait and find out. Then again, if Mr. Tunsil falls to us, I would take him over anybody that is not named GOD.

Because if a top 6 team is meeting with a player, the media knows it.

[trevorsteadman]

I do not think that the Cowboys lack of DE helps the Ravens because I still see them as that team that has to sit back and take a flyer on who is available out of Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, and Jack. I think Bosa would be a great fit here. But because of Dallas' issue at DE I think it is a huge chance they pick him. To me out of those 4 prospects we lose this situation draft day if Jack is the player out of those 4 that is available. Jack is great and I think he can be a pro bowl guy and take our defense to the next level, I only say we would lose because of that chance that his knee implodes. I could see Perriman taking a crossing route in OTA's and him and Jack colliding and there goes our two 1st round picks in just as many years. 

[Maryland]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Nope.  They've turned into a smart drafting team now since they finally have people overruling Jerry.  They aren't going to panic.  They'll pick their highest rated player.  That could be Bosa, but all signs point to Ramsey and I don't expect that to change.

Exactly. Dallas isn't going to reach on Bosa (whom they are rumored to be cold on) when they are rumored to have Ramsey atop their board. 

And even if Ramsey goes #3, they can trade down with someone wanting Tunsil and acquire more picks, maybe even still drafting Bosa (who should go in that 6-10 range anyway)

/and honestly, the more I think about it, it seems pretty silly to let a 4-game absence from a couple players on your roster to force you into marrying yourself to a prospect for 5+ years

Edited April 21, 2016 by Maryland

[Dame2]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd say the opposite. I would prefer bosa over jack because even though I understand that concerns over Jack's knee are likely overblown, I'm still weary. If the scenario is Dallas passing on Ramsey for bosa, then Ramsey likely goes 5, leaving us with jack. Which could be incredible but it could also be a disaster if his knee is not ok. He did seem to be favoring one knee in his workouts.

Out of Bosa,Jack,Ramsey I rather have Jack don't get me wrong Ramsey is good but it's good fast DB's all up and down in this draft most with better ball skills then Ramsey but Jack is special he can cover RB's and TE's with ease he can even cover WR's he can be luke kuechly and some 

[Tru11]

3 hours ago, Maryland said:

Exactly. Dallas isn't going to reach on Bosa (whom they are rumored to be cold on) when they are rumored to have Ramsey atop their board. 

And even if Ramsey goes #3, they can trade down with someone wanting Tunsil and acquire more picks, maybe even still drafting Bosa (who should go in that 6-10 range anyway)

/and honestly, the more I think about it, it seems pretty silly to let a 4-game absence from a couple players on your roster to force you into marrying yourself to a prospect for 5+ years

 

those couple of players are the only DE they have at the moment and both are a failed test away from missing the season.

there is no point in drafting secondary players when the QB will have all day to throw because your pass rushers are suspended.

if any the lawrence suspension should actually increase bosa value.

ramsey has elite athletic ability but i dont think he is the best cover corner in the draft.
they already have jones at safety who can do what ramsey would do at safety.

then again they could always take ramsey and then trade up to get spence who will fit right it hahahaha

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

In fact I have a sense that that could be a smoke screen, a legitimate one. Their scouts do a pretty phenomenal job with prospects and what is to say that the Ravens haven't secretly met with him? I'm not saying they did, but how do we know for a fact. Every thing I've read about Buckner screams Ravens like qualities to me. So, we'll just have to wait and find out. Then again, if Mr. Tunsil falls to us, I would take him over anybody that is not named GOD.

Well, I don't see a 6th overall pick in a DE/DT hybrid who plays tall and gets put on skates regularly as a guy who scream ravens to me.

[Wildabeast88]

The more I look at the scenario the more I feel like we may draft Tunsil. I know I have been the go all D on the draft and driving the Bosa bandwagon but with all of the Monroe concerns it makes sense. Then if Monroe has a bad year r more injuries we can cut him or it gives us an option if we don't resign Wagner whih I believe we will, but it leaves us options 

[Edgar]

6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I do not think that the Cowboys lack of DE helps the Ravens because I still see them as that team that has to sit back and take a flyer on who is available out of Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, and Jack. I think Bosa would be a great fit here. But because of Dallas' issue at DE I think it is a huge chance they pick him. To me out of those 4 prospects we lose this situation draft day if Jack is the player out of those 4 that is available. Jack is great and I think he can be a pro bowl guy and take our defense to the next level, I only say we would lose because of that chance that his knee implodes. I could see Perriman taking a crossing route in OTA's and him and Jack colliding and there goes our two 1st round picks in just as many years. 

It helps us if they take Bosa in my eyes because I'd rather have Jack, Ramsey or Tunsil.

[trevorsteadman]

6 hours ago, Maryland said:

Exactly. Dallas isn't going to reach on Bosa (whom they are rumored to be cold on) when they are rumored to have Ramsey atop their board. 

And even if Ramsey goes #3, they can trade down with someone wanting Tunsil and acquire more picks, maybe even still drafting Bosa (who should go in that 6-10 range anyway)

/and honestly, the more I think about it, it seems pretty silly to let a 4-game absence from a couple players on your roster to force you into marrying yourself to a prospect for 5+ years

One is a 4 game absence and the other is 10 games. The player that is suspended 10 games is Randy Gregory who is going into his second year and he is already on his second suspension. Bosa is one of the best players and I am sure they are highly considering him now. If they are serious about being in a win now situation this season them drafting Bosa would show it. There are too many absences on the defensive line to make it anywhere in the playoffs. You can draft Byron Jones and you can draft Jalen Ramsey but it won't matter if you have no pass rush. That along with they will not be able to stop the run. If Bosa is top 3 on your board you take him because sure you can choose one of your two higher rated players but they will not make as much as an impact as Bosa would just because of their lack of depth at that position.

[Gordo52]

Bosa's issues might actually scare them off some. 

[JoeyFlex5]

41 minutes ago, Gordo52 said:

Bosa's issues might actually scare them off some. 

Bosas issues are practically non-existent. I don't see them being scared of bosas non issues after taking Gregory and bridging hardy. I truly think they won't learn their lesson, not that their past problems has anything to do with bosa anyway

[Sense&Sensibility]

Are the Cowboys somehow precluded from taking a pass rusher in 2nd, 3rd or whatever round? Too many people are presuming what cowboys front office (which has been drafting smart lately as already pointed out) will do to convince themselves of a particular outcome because they don't like/like a certain player... 

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Bosas issues are practically non-existent. I don't see them being scared of bosas non issues after taking Gregory and bridging hardy. I truly think they won't learn their lesson, not that their past problems has anything to do with bosa anyway

You do realize Bosa was rumored to be involved with party drugs (with Zeke, no less), right? Sure, not huge in the grand scheme of things, but still a risk you take. 

[GrimCoconut]

I think Buckner could very well go to SD or  Dallas, depending on who goes before them. I think SD is more likely to take Buckner than Ramsey, but could trade back, obviously. I think if SD trades back and someone else trades ahead of Dallas that Dallas would go Buckner over Bosa. Just my opinion. I think Buckner would work there at the Edge and could certainly play interior DL. I think it's Buckner or Ramsey for Dallas. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

You do realize Bosa was rumored to be involved with party drugs (with Zeke, no less), right? Sure, not huge in the grand scheme of things, but still a risk you take. 

You do realize Bosa got out of that situation and stopped hanging out with those people to focus on football right? 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/browns_candidate_joey_bosa_i_d.html

There is always a risk but with who the Cowboys have drafted and signed via free agency recently with Gregory, Hardy, and McClain with Bosa staying away from that recently I do not think that affects his chances at 4. I would be happy with him in purple and black.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

You do realize Bosa was rumored to be involved with party drugs (with Zeke, no less), right? Sure, not huge in the grand scheme of things, but still a risk you take. 

And when he got in trouble for the situation that spawned those rumors, he moved off campus and away from that scene to focus on school and football. Obviously he wants to succeed and isn't risking football for drugs.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

And when he got in trouble for the situation that spawned those rumors, he moved off campus and away from that scene to focus on school and football. Obviously he wants to succeed and isn't risking football for drugs.

By no means am I saying he's likely to get busted for it. Hell, I would be pumped to have him here. I highly doubt any team is just going to ignore that, though.