[News] How Browns-Eagles Trade Affects Ravens

[The Beak]

Thank you Beagles and Brownies, this is setting up great for us,
My favs,
1)L. Tunsil 2)J. Ramsey 3) J. Bosa 4) Buckner 5) Jack - but his injury scares me.......

[flynismo]

I am happy that we're guaranteed there will be another QB taken ahead of us, but not thrilled to see a division foe getting that wealth of picks. Of course, everyone will think the Browns will find a way to screw it up, but people thought that of the Bengals for a time as well. Look for Cleveland to try to trade back into the first round to grab Lynch. I'm hoping the Jets go for him at 20.

I'm willing to bet CLE will take Paxton at #8 overall. Unless of course, they really do like RG-knee as much as they publicly proclaim.

[wcowden]

  9 hours ago, Crusader said:

This trade made no difference. Browns were probably going to pick a QB any way but I think they wised up and going to build up all their other positions then find a QB. This is bad news for Ravens. All those picks could push Ravens into forth place in coming years. Nothing last forever not even Browns miseries.

Don't believe everything the mock drafts suggest - for a lot of times those who make the mocks are in the dark just as much as we, simple fans are... It was not at all sure that the Browns would have picked a QB - if that was their real intent, they wouldn't traded the #2 pick, would they?
And anyway, more and more draft analyses concluded that the Browns would have much more probably picked one of the real stars of the class: Tunsil, Ramsey or Jack - maybe even Elliott.

I do believe the Browns were going to pick a QB, but all GMs listen to deals and they got a blockbuster one. We all like Joe Flacco, but if the Falcons called and offered Matt Ryan plus Julio Jones and a fourth round pick, I'd wish Joe all the luck in the world in Atlanta.

[n#7]

Just hope Bosa or Buckner are available. If not they may trade back. 50-50

[Maryland]

Gotta be honest: I'm a bit restive seeing what the Browns are doing, building up these assets. If they hit on some picks (which I know is a big IF) they could be a young, talented team with a lot of cap space in a few years.

[TXRavensFan]

  12 hours ago, Crusader said:

This trade made no difference. Browns were probably going to pick a QB any way but I think they wised up and going to build up all their other positions then find a QB. This is bad news for Ravens. All those picks could push Ravens into forth place in coming years. Nothing last forever not even Browns miseries.

Don't believe everything the mock drafts suggest - for a lot of times those who make the mocks are in the dark just as much as we, simple fans are... It was not at all sure that the Browns would have picked a QB - if that was their real intent, they wouldn't traded the #2 pick, would they?
And anyway, more and more draft analyses concluded that the Browns would have much more probably picked one of the real stars of the class: Tunsil, Ramsey or Jack - maybe even Elliott.

Or, let's say they really loved one QB, but weren't sold on the other. It didn't matter before because Tenn. wasn't going to take a QB, so their guy was guaranteed to be there. With LA trading to 1 to take a QB, there's now a 50% chance that you'd be stuck with a QB you weren't sold on. Why risk it when you could get more picks and a chance at a top non-QB talent by moving down a few spots?

[PurpleLDN]

Gotta be honest: I'm a bit restive seeing what the Browns are doing, building up these assets. If they hit on some picks (which I know is a big IF) they could be a young, talented team with a lot of cap space in a few years.

Pretty sure at least a few people say the same thing every year.

[cobrajet]

Looks like the Browns got a lot for that #2 pick!

[cobrajet]

12 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Josh Norman just became an unrestricted FA. This is the one player I would sign to a big deal, knowing our struggle to find a quality CB to play opposite Jimmy Smith and that we are not in position in draft one in the 1st Round.

With our cap space???????

[ravensnj]

Many people think the Eagles actually traded up there to grab Elliott from the Cowboys, not to grab "the other QB" - so, right now it's anything but sure that they are going to go for a QB, too...

We'll see.

You don't give up all those picks for a RB. They are definitely going QB, as I predicted. However, I thought the trade was going to come between the Eagles and Ravens ( to jump the 49ers). I guess Howie was afraid of Dallas selecting a Qb.

Now that Dallas will be without Gregory or Lawerence for the first 4 games, it appears Bosa will be their pick.

Chargers take Tunsil

Jax take Jack (hopefully)

Ravens take Ramsey

[J.O.14]

  13 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

I hope to goodness that the Chargers take Tunsil so we don't mess around and take him over someone like Jack,Buckner or *crosses my fingers and hope that he's still there* Bosa.That pick doesn't make sense for a team that already has a solid left tackle in place and is in win now mode.Why take a LT just to have him sit behind Monroe who is a good player when healthy?Tunsil would be a waste of a rare pick that's basically a top four pick after the two QB's are picked.Our defense needs this pick more than our offense and this is coming from a guy who is immensely biased towards offense.We need one of those potentially elite defenders.Preferably Bosa or Jack because Ramsey will be gone and I don't see us trading up a spot or two for him.

Jack??? Jack is a bust waiting to happen. LMAO Where did you go to school? OH and he can play GUARD too you know and if he is better then Monroe, which he already is, Monroe can play guard. Sheesh...

Okay, I wouldn't say Jack is a bust waiting to happen. Have you ever watched this guy play? He is a freak of nature and would fit nicely into our defense. Tunsil would start at LT immediately, and Monroe would either get cut with a June 1st designation or maybe bump him to RT and slide Wagner to LG/RG

[J.O.14]

Many people think the Eagles actually traded up there to grab Elliott from the Cowboys, not to grab "the other QB" - so, right now it's anything but sure that they are going to go for a QB, too...

We'll see.

Why would you give up that much to draft a RB? I HIGHLY doubt that is going to happen, but I guess strange things have happened before.

Your right though, is it guaranteed that they take a QB? No. Another possibility could be jumping in front of SD to take Tunsil. Peters has had injury issues and I could see a team giving up that much for a LT of Tunsil's caliber. I still think there is about a 95% chance they take QB. Maybe a 4% chance they take Tunsil, and about 1% they take Elliot.

[J.O.14]

I hope to goodness that the Chargers take Tunsil so we don't mess around and take him over someone like Jack,Buckner or *crosses my fingers and hope that he's still there* Bosa.That pick doesn't make sense for a team that already has a solid left tackle in place and is in win now mode.Why take a LT just to have him sit behind Monroe who is a good player when healthy?Tunsil would be a waste of a rare pick that's basically a top four pick after the two QB's are picked.Our defense needs this pick more than our offense and this is coming from a guy who is immensely biased towards offense.We need one of those potentially elite defenders.Preferably Bosa or Jack because Ramsey will be gone and I don't see us trading up a spot or two for him.

If we draft Tunsil, he will not be sitting behind anyone. Monroe would be cut, or maybe traded (doubtful). We could also keep him and let him play RT and bump Wagner to one of the guards spots. Tunsil is one of the best Tackle prospects to come out of the draft in a long time, he would not be a waste of a rare high pick.

[RaRaRavens]

24 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

You don't give up all those picks for a RB. They are definitely going QB, as I predicted. However, I thought the trade was going to come between the Eagles and Ravens ( to jump the 49ers). I guess Howie was afraid of Dallas selecting a Qb.

Now that Dallas will be without Gregory or Lawerence for the first 4 games, it appears Bosa will be their pick.

Chargers take Tunsil

Jax take Jack (hopefully)

Ravens take Ramsey

I generally agree with you, but I don't think Chargers will be taking Tunsil. Read a brilliant piece on the topic how Chargers have 5+ mil and 4,5+ mil invested in their starting tackles, both of whom would create financial disaster if cut. Of course they could go with probably the best player in draft and take Tunsil and try to trade one of their tackles, because no team will draft a TOP 3 player and redshirt him. Agreeing on a trade is a long-shot and a risk. Therefore, Tunsil for Chargers would be a very, very messy fit.

Ramsey, unfortunately is a much more suitable selection for them. It meets an immediate need, is in the opinion of some experts the best player, and he fits the pattern of Chargers' drafts (banking on experts words here, haven't checked the pattern myself).

 That's why I'm afraid Ramsey won't fall to us, but Tunsil more likely then not might. And Tunsil might be the only O-linemen I'm very very psyched about. It would be the perfect fir for us.

[Space11jams]

OMG i want ramsey on our team sooooo bad......just think of how awsome the defense would be if we drafted him and than snag Noah spence with our second pick......GAINES!!!!!!

[usmccharles]

35 minutes ago, RaRaRavens said:

I generally agree with you, but I don't think Chargers will be taking Tunsil. Read a brilliant piece on the topic how Chargers have 5+ mil and 4,5+ mil invested in their starting tackles, both of whom would create financial disaster if cut. Of course they could go with probably the best player in draft and take Tunsil and try to trade one of their tackles, because no team will draft a TOP 3 player and redshirt him. Agreeing on a trade is a long-shot and a risk. Therefore, Tunsil for Chargers would be a very, very messy fit.

Ramsey, unfortunately is a much more suitable selection for them. It meets an immediate need, is in the opinion of some experts the best player, and he fits the pattern of Chargers' drafts (banking on experts words here, haven't checked the pattern myself).

 That's why I'm afraid Ramsey won't fall to us, but Tunsil more likely then not might. And Tunsil might be the only O-linemen I'm very very psyched about. It would be the perfect fir for us.

I don't know what your opinion on PFF is, but they ranked the Chargers line 32nd last year and 29th the year before.  That being said, injuries played a lot in it, but they could still take Tunsil, move him inside for a year like a lot of teams do. Dunlap played in 7 games last year.   Also, I view it as which makes the team better, Ramsey who will obviously make the defense step up, or a OL to help protect Rivers, which will improve the entire offense.  I just think Tunsil is the better pick for the team, but I can see Ramsey going there as well. 

[stixfix69]

I really want Jack, we are thinnest at ILBer.........CJ, and Jack can be our ILBer for many years...

[Bob21043]

Really want to see one of the top defensive picks go our way (Bosa, Ramsey, Buckner...). Just not sold on picking Tunsil - Monroe is still a very good, serviceable LT (when healthy).

[usmccharles]

25 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

I really want Jack, we are thinnest at ILBer.........CJ, and Jack can be our ILBer for many years...

Ive been on this wagon for awhile.  I think them two together could really be a core for this defense for years to come. 

[rmcjacket23]

17 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

I will say this, there's a new regime in CLE front office.  So you can't judge their past history (old regime) with what they're doing now. 

True. But they're in "prove me wrong" mode at this point. 

This isn't their first regime change, and the others ended the same way.

So far, like what I'm seeing, but they're one of the few teams who accumulating draft picks means nothing until proven otherwise.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

True. But they're in "prove me wrong" mode at this point. 

This isn't their first regime change, and the others ended the same way.

So far, like what I'm seeing, but they're one of the few teams who accumulating draft picks means nothing until proven otherwise.

7 first round picks in 4 years....and no QB...

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, RaRaRavens said:

I generally agree with you, but I don't think Chargers will be taking Tunsil. Read a brilliant piece on the topic how Chargers have 5+ mil and 4,5+ mil invested in their starting tackles, both of whom would create financial disaster if cut. Of course they could go with probably the best player in draft and take Tunsil and try to trade one of their tackles, because no team will draft a TOP 3 player and redshirt him. Agreeing on a trade is a long-shot and a risk. Therefore, Tunsil for Chargers would be a very, very messy fit.

Ramsey, unfortunately is a much more suitable selection for them. It meets an immediate need, is in the opinion of some experts the best player, and he fits the pattern of Chargers' drafts (banking on experts words here, haven't checked the pattern myself).

 That's why I'm afraid Ramsey won't fall to us, but Tunsil more likely then not might. And Tunsil might be the only O-linemen I'm very very psyched about. It would be the perfect fir for us.

The contracts are a mirage though... Barksdale is exclusively a RT, and his contract isn't that big. The issue with Dunlap is... he's not durable (he's basically Eugene Monroe) and his contract is only prohibitive for this season. They could cut him next year and save $5.1 against the cap, with only $3.2M in dead money. He took a $1.2M pay cut this offseason already, and he will be 31 when the season starts. He's only played one full season in his 7 year career, and he missed 9 games last season. There's certainly an easy case that Tunsil is the best option for them.

One way or another, they're arguably in the best spot in the whole draft. They basically get to pick the best player in the draft, regardless of position. Odds are it will be either Tunsil or Ramsey, and both are surely justifiable. 

If Tunsil gets past SD, I'd expect him to be a Raven, barring somebody else trading up. I just don't think we can pick any another player with him on the board... he's probably the least riskiest of all players in this draft, and he plays a position we clearly want to upgrade. The only real downside... he's just not "sexy", which I personally don't care about.

If the Chargers take Tunsil, I have no idea what happens after that, but regardless, I don't see Ramsey falling to us.

My gut says we take Tunsil, Bosa, or trade back.

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

7 first round picks in 4 years....and no QB...

Well, they tried. Two of them were. They just weren't any good.

Three first round QBs in the last nine drafts. Not a good thing.

Edited April 21, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[usmccharles]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, they tried. Two of them were. They just weren't any good.

Which it seemed like everyone knew that....except them...

[merryjman]

Browns doing their best Ozzie impression, stockpiling draft picks rather than banking on a single pick to save their team. Smart, and unfortunate for us in the AFC North.

What a great position for the Ravens to be in, though. No matter what, we get a great player. We could even trade back a couple spots, and still get a monster!

[Crusader]

  19 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yawn. Wake me when Cleveland doesn't screw up a draft.

How's having a bunch of picks worked out for them so far? 7 first round picks in 4 years and I'm not impressed with any of them.

I will say this, there's a new regime in CLE front office.  So you can't judge their past history (old regime) with what they're doing now. 

That's is my point. The Browns split with Baltimore last year and Ravens only win was on a freak play. Ravens are Cap hindered and draft picking questionable. This draft class will decide Ravens future for a long while.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Crusader said:

That's is my point. The Browns split with Baltimore last year and Ravens only win was on a freak play. Ravens are Cap hindered and draft picking questionable. This draft class will decide Ravens future for a long while.

And thus far Cleveland has lost 100% of its FAs (including two really good offensive lineman), haven't seemingly upgraded anywhere, and haven't even remotely proven that they are good in the draft.

Again, this is a "show me" league. Cleveland hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt in anything they've done.

[Crusader]

Yes and Ravens have no LT or ILB and a bunch of injury recovering key personnel.

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Yes and Ravens have no LT or ILB and a bunch of injury recovering key personnel.

I think people are massively overblowing the need for an ILB. We run a 3-4 base with a ton of nickel and dime packages... there really just isn't a huge need for having tremendous ILB play.

[eze17]

  18 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

I hope to goodness that the Chargers take Tunsil so we don't mess around and take him over someone like Jack,Buckner or *crosses my fingers and hope that he's still there* Bosa.That pick doesn't make sense for a team that already has a solid left tackle in place and is in win now mode.Why take a LT just to have him sit behind Monroe who is a good player when healthy?Tunsil would be a waste of a rare pick that's basically a top four pick after the two QB's are picked.Our defense needs this pick more than our offense and this is coming from a guy who is immensely biased towards offense.We need one of those potentially elite defenders.Preferably Bosa or Jack because Ramsey will be gone and I don't see us trading up a spot or two for him.

If we draft Tunsil, he will not be sitting behind anyone. Monroe would be cut, or maybe traded (doubtful). We could also keep him and let him play RT and bump Wagner to one of the guards spots. Tunsil is one of the best Tackle prospects to come out of the draft in a long time, he would not be a waste of a rare high pick.

Agreed Tunsil would not sit. I don't think we would get rid of Monroe either. My guess would be that Tunsil would be brought in like Ogden: put him at LG for a year and let him gain NFL experience, and if Monroe is injured or inconsistent, slide him over to tackle.

Of course, we have to wait and see what SD does. They could take Ramsey and that would probably leave Tunsil there at #6. ( I don't see DAL or JAX going LT) In any case, the only player i'm pretty sure will be gone is Ramsey. So it's all still up in the air, other than we will have the opportunity to draft a real blue-chip player.