Myles Jack's Knee

[52520Andrew]

23 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Update from La Canfora on Jack. Sounds like there are still some question makes (as there should be), but nothing too bad. Sounds like everything has been overblown

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25559964/nfl-execs-say-anonymous-reports-on-myles-jack-overblown-disgusting

So basically the Eagles were trying to make teams pass on Jack so they could get him. If the Ravens doctors don't approve of him that is one thing but if we take him at 6 I will be extremely happy. 

[bcavanagh]

Was just going to post that article. That puts him back as the number three option on my board for us. Ramsey, Tunsil and then Jack. Give me one of the three and lets play ball.

[DynastyofBaltimore]

If CJ Mosely wants him on the Ravens, I want him on the Ravens. 

[ellicottraven]

I don't think Myles Jack gets past Jacksonville. They've met with him several times already with both the Coach and GM making a specific visit to see him perform on the west coast. To me that bodes well for Laremy Tunsil to become a Raven with our #6 pick.

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I don't think Myles Jack gets past Jacksonville. They've met with him several times already with both the Coach and GM making a specific visit to see him perform on the west coast. To me that bodes well for Laremy Tunsil to become a Raven with our #6 pick.

Hypothetically speaking, how long would it take to put the forum back together after explosion if Tunsil fell to us but the Ravens liked Stanley more and selected him?

[ellicottraven]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Hypothetically speaking, how long would it take to put the forum back together after explosion if Tunsil fell to us but the Ravens liked Stanley more and selected him?

Hypothetically I think there would be an implosion of hope and everything we've learned about these LTs over these months. And after that there would be an explosion of anger directed squarely at our front office and boos greeting Stanley (sad but I think it could happen). Personally I would be 'urined' big time.

[allblackraven]

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Hypothetically I think there would be an implosion of hope and everything we've learned about these LTs over these months. And after that there would be an explosion of anger directed squarely at our front office and boos greeting Stanley (sad but I think it could happen). Personally I would be 'urined' big time.

You are allowed to say "pissed" here

 

[Maryland]

58 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Hypothetically speaking, how long would it take to put the forum back together after explosion if Tunsil fell to us but the Ravens liked Stanley more and selected him?

That pain would come close to the Cundiff miss for me.

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

You are allowed to say "pissed" here

 

Am I? I've been warned enough times to try being creative albeit a bit tacky!

[ellicottraven]

33 minutes ago, Maryland said:

That pain would come close to the Cundiff miss for me.

That Cundiff miss cost us 1 SB. This assumed 'fiasco' may cost us several more!

[Dame2]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

That pain would come close to the Cundiff miss for me.

That was the worst pain ever only cause the worst pain before that was Lee Evans not holding onto the ball 

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

That pain would come close to the Cundiff miss for me.

No chance, my heart imploded on that play and I feel we were robbed of another SB ring because of it.

[Maryland]

21 minutes ago, Dame2 said:

That was the worst pain ever only cause the worst pain before that was Lee Evans not holding onto the ball 

lol, I'll probably shamelessly steal this line next time I'm talking /w someone about that game

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

No chance, my heart imploded on that play and I feel we were robbed of another SB ring because of it.

I mean, I said it would be close, not equal.

For me personally, he is my #1 prospect out of everyone, so I probably care too much.

[RaveDawg37]

What if Baltimore are the ones feeding out these rumors to try and get the Jags to skip Jack? Just a funny thing to think about.

 

SN: I'm big on wanting Jack so I hope we get him even it means moving in front of or trading with the Jags; I know that DE and LT are two of our other big concerns, but I feel that there is enough talent in this year's draft and next year's draft that we could fill all these holes and have a REALLY good shot at Super Bowl 52 & 53. You know, pending no injuries and the what not lol.

[Edgar]

Yes. Let's not worry or mince words. Myles Jack is it. A game changer with  an uncommon skill set. Love this player. So excited this guy could be a raven.

Even CJ Mosley wants us to pick him.

[Maryland]

4 hours ago, Edgar said:

Yes. Let's not worry or mince words. Myles Jack is it. A game changer with  an uncommon skill set. Love this player. So excited this guy could be a raven.

Even CJ Mosley wants us to pick him.

I didn't see the vid/quote of this--how emphatic are we talking here? Like did someone ask him what he thought of Jack and he just said that'd be cool like a typical response, or did he go out of his way to say he really likes Jack?

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, Edgar said:

Yes. Let's not worry or mince words. Myles Jack is it. A game changer with  an uncommon skill set. Love this player. So excited this guy could be a raven.

Even CJ Mosley wants us to pick him.

 

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

I didn't see the vid/quote of this--how emphatic are we talking here? Like did someone ask him what he thought of Jack and he just said that'd be cool like a typical response, or did he go out of his way to say he really likes Jack?

I think he is just meaning that CJ would be able to play closer to the line of scrimmage, his strong suite.  Those two together would bring out the best in each of them imo.  I could be wrong, but I don't think CJ actually said he wants us to draft Jack. 

[Edgar]

4 hours ago, Maryland said:

I didn't see the vid/quote of this--how emphatic are we talking here? Like did someone ask him what he thought of Jack and he just said that'd be cool like a typical response, or did he go out of his way to say he really likes Jack?

Pretty emphatic(in a laid back Mosley way).

He was asked if he paid attention to the draft and instead of giving a pat, "whoever they will bring in will be great"response, he offered Myles Jacks name. It was clear that he's watched him and clear that he has thought about playing next to him and telling that he brought him up straightaway.

Check it out. I think the video is on site still.

[RaveDawg37]

@Maryland

Here's the link to the video of CJ saying he would be a good fit.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Final-Drive-Mosley-Sees-Jack-As-Missing-Piece/6611f40f-ff0b-453d-8c42-c68f548a8187

[Inqui]

14 hours ago, Maryland said:

I didn't see the vid/quote of this--how emphatic are we talking here? Like did someone ask him what he thought of Jack and he just said that'd be cool like a typical response, or did he go out of his way to say he really likes Jack?

Fwiw LeBron James really wanted his Heat to draft Shabazz Napier a couple of years ago (he's on the cusp of dropping out of the NBA) and Joe wanted us to draft Tandon Doss. Not that I dislike Jack (far from it, I'd be thrilled too if we took him), but players don't seem to have much of a track record when it comes to wanting their team to draft a particular guy.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Fwiw LeBron James really wanted his Heat to draft Shabazz Napier a couple of years ago (he's on the cusp of dropping out of the NBA) and Joe wanted us to draft Tandon Doss. Not that I dislike Jack (far from it, I'd be thrilled too if we took him), but players don't seem to have much of a track record when it comes to wanting their team to draft a particular guy.

Players need to play,  scouts need to scout,  gms and hcs need to draft.  Is doss even in the league? 

[ALPHA]

A torn meniscus is worse than a torn ACL but it all depends on the severity, he might be out of football in 3 years. Considering his explosiveness and size thats a lot of pressure in the joint.

[JoeyFlex5]

32 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

A torn meniscus is worse than a torn ACL but it all depends on the severity, he might be out of football in 3 years. Considering his explosiveness and size thats a lot of pressure in the joint.

A torn meniscus is not worse than an ACL..

[ALPHA]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

A torn meniscus is not worse than an ACL..

It's degenerative, cartilage is hard to fix it has no blood supply and can't heal itself. An ACL tear is 6-12 months, rarely with lasting complications.

The counter argument is Jonathan Vilma's meniscus tear was minor and he had 6-7 healthy seasons, thats a best case scenario and one you would have to weight carefully. The average career is 4 years and at his best he's still a difference maker.

Edited April 21, 2016 by ALPHA

[808Blackbirds]

if you draft Myles Jack in the 1st do you still take chance with Jaylon Smith in the 3rd or 4th? 

I say yes. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, ALPHA said:

It's degenerative, cartilage is hard to fix it has no blood supply and can't heal itself. An ACL tear is 6-12 months, rarely with lasting complications.

The counter argument is Jonathan Vilma's meniscus tear was minor and he had 6-7 healthy seasons, thats a best case scenario and one you would have to weight carefully. The average career is 4 years and at his best he's still a difference maker.

Acl is cartilage too, as is every other ligament. Same argument applies, the difference being that the meniscus is a very large ligament compared to acl and mcl and thus more sturdy once properly healed. Medicine has advanced to a point where they have mastered the acl surgery and recovery process but that doesn't make it a less severe injury. There is a lot more pressure on the acl and it is a far less sturdy ligament. If you rupture a meniscus then you are likely done, but a small tear will not be degenerative and should not affect a players future once recovered

[lgcs27288]

23 hours ago, 808Blackbirds said:

if you draft Myles Jack in the 1st do you still take chance with Jaylon Smith in the 3rd or 4th? 

I say yes. 

We have to break last year's injured reserve record somehow...

 

In all seriousness though, yes.

[Raven'evermore]

On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2016 at 2:14 PM, rmw10 said:

Update from La Canfora on Jack. Sounds like there are still some question makes (as there should be), but nothing too bad. Sounds like everything has been overblown

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25559964/nfl-execs-say-anonymous-reports-on-myles-jack-overblown-disgusting

 I hope that whatever team Jack lands with that he has a long and productive career, whether it be with the Ravens or whoever.  However, this article does nothing to change my mind that it would be best to give him a pass.  For one thing, it was already pretty obvious that all the chatter about his knee being that bad might have been planted by another team or teams, but so what?  That doesn't negate the fact that there is still a risk of him either reinjuring it, having difficulty playing to his potential, or worst not being able to take the field period.  Didn't La Canfora say that he spoke to different execs with different opinions? Does this mean that the ones who might still be concerned with the injury are automatically wrong?  Also, why isn't this so called nefarious team being called out if La Canfora is so certain that they weren't on the up and up with their info?  As far as Jack himself is concerned, of course you want what's best, but there's also the good of the team that takes him too.  Eighteen months, what about further down the road?  Shouldn't we be more concerned with four to five years and even beyond that?  Should he be the pick, then I will be a fan and cheer accordingly.  If he goes to another team, it's pretty much a catch 22:  Worst case scenario: Jack stays healthy and becomes a pain in the Raven's side for years to come.  Best case scenario (Jack's sake) Jack stays healthy and becomes a pain in the Raven's side for years to come.   Wish him the best either way.

Edited April 23, 2016 by Raven'evermore

[ellicottraven]

I would love to see Myles Jack become a Raven! There is a good probability that if he's available, he'll be the choice. However I only see one of Bosa, Jack, Tunsil or Ramsey available alongside Buckner when we pick. So, I think the Ravens would take one of those over Buckner. So, it could be Ramsey, Tunsil, Jack or Bosa in that order of priority for me. 

Edited April 23, 2016 by ellicottraven

[ellicottraven]

On 4/21/2016 at 5:11 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

A torn meniscus is not worse than an ACL..

It's a far less significant injury.