Myles Jack's Knee

[sflegend89]

I've loved Myles Jack the entire pre-draft process.. but now that the Draft is within striking distance the reality of drafting any of the top prospects feels a lot more real. As a result of this I was thinking more and more about how I would feel about each of the top prospects if we were to draft them. When I got to Myles Jack I all of a sudden found myself getting cold feet about actually pulling the trigger on him with this all-so-important-pick.

Jack coming off that meniscus tear makes me weary. There are already rumors that some teams won't even have Jack on their draft board.  After everything we just went through with Perriman it makes me concerned about adding in yet another player rehabbing a knee who could deal with a possible set back or long term issue because of it. Anybody remember Daquan Bowers? In 2011 he was coming off a "slight" meniscus tear, missed the combine, was supposed to go top 10 and ended up falling into the 2nd round after so many teams were scared by off his medical situation and the possibility of degenerative arthritis in his scoped knee being a factor long term. While I doubt Jack takes that far of a tumble I could see him falling outside the top 10.

Jack still had a 40 in vertical at his pro day and he's looked good.... but the Ravens have spent so much time nursing injuries in general these last few years I really only want to draft players with clean injury history. 

Edited April 18, 2016 by sflegend89

[rmw10]

For what it's worth, I've seen rumors that teams that have red flagged him for the injury are really just trying to downplay interest and cause other teams to question taking him. 

[trevorsteadman]

Teams may have taken him off their boards knowing a. he will get taken still probably top 10 and b. he may not be ready to start at the beginning of the season. In my mind I think if we drafted him we could survive 4 weeks or so before we need him to come play. Orr has played alright and hasn't done too bad. I haven't seen enough evidence against his knee to have him slide out of the top 10. I think we would pick him if Bosa, Tunsil, and Ramsey were all taken already. I think I would rather have those three guys over Jack anyway to be honest. Jack's ceiling is the sky, but Bosa, Tunsil, and Ramsey all fit our needs more. We have made decent starters out of nobodys at inside linebacker. Ellerbe and Bynes come to mind. 

[ludy51]

"He has a leg"

[KBoum]

That kind of injury isn,t so bad to be honest. I think some teams in the 5 to 15th range are bluffing hoping he will fall

[sflegend89]

With this team's bad luck with injuries I just get a bad vibe about taking any players with medical red flags, it seems like what can go wrong, has gone wrong on the injury front these last 2 years. Maybe I'm just being paranoid because we have dealt with so many injuries and we're coming off a year in which our 1st round pick missed an entire season after re-aggrivating a knee injury he was supposedly close to finished rehabbing.

I just find myself super conflicted because I love Myles Jack as a player but we are the last team that needs an injury risk player in the 1st round.

[Edgar]

Love it if Jacksonville gets skiddish and trades out. Can't pass on this guy.

[sflegend89]

13 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

For what it's worth, I've seen rumors that teams that have red flagged him for the injury are really just trying to downplay interest and cause other teams to question taking him. 

 

Very well could be the case. I absolutely think the "He's off our board" talk could simply be teams trying to stir up concern about him so he'll fall. But we have seen instances in the past where we hear a certain player is off teams boards because of an injury and it's actually true. Happened with Jay Ajayi last year who took a massive tumble. 

I'm not so much concerned with how far Jack potentially falls, more so if it's concerning enough for us to not draft him if he's there at #6.

Edited April 18, 2016 by sflegend89

[bcavanagh]

Myles Jack - LB - Player

The Philadelphia Daily News' Les Bowen was told by an NFL source UCLA LB Myles Jack's knee is "a time bomb."

Jack's medical recheck did not go well, with CBS Sports' Dane Brugler reporting several teams had "long-term question marks." This is lying season, however, and it is possible teams are leaking bad information about Jack's knee in order to push him down the draft board. A top-five talent, it is anyone's guess where Jack ends up, but it would still be a shock if he slipped out of the top 15.

[TurkishRaven]

I would take Tunsil, Ramsey or Buckner over him. Perriman supposed to turn back months ago.

I would not take that risk..

[spitfire418]

I think this whole injury with Jack is being overblown. Players get hurt all the time and sadly he was one of them, but it doesn't mean he'll never play again. He's a very special talent and one that we don't see very often in the draft. Our team knows how his knee is no matter what the media says and if we're OK with it he would be a great pick at #6.

[allblackraven]

35 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

I would take Tunsil, Ramsey or Buckner over him. Perriman supposed to turn back months ago.

I would not take that risk..

Perriman had partially torn ligaments, then aggravated the injury. Meniscus is completely different ball game.

[sflegend89]

34 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

I think this whole injury with Jack is being overblown. Players get hurt all the time and sadly he was one of them, but it doesn't mean he'll never play again. He's a very special talent and one that we don't see very often in the draft. Our team knows how his knee is no matter what the media says and if we're OK with it he would be a great pick at #6.

 

The concern isn't that he'll never play again, the concern is career longevity and that he will have problems with that knee again in the future as the bone and cartilage break away. Do you want to spend the #6 overall pick on a guy who very well might be dealing with chronic knee issues a few years down the line, it's a worrisome thought for that high of a pick.

[thieverycorporation]

I say no to Jack period. He's talented but I see better value via trade back. His favoring of the good knee was noticeable and worrisome during the work out.

[JoeyFlex5]

I just can't fear a meniscus as much as an acl or mcl or pcl. Its just so much less likely to affect you in the future. I'd be willing to bet it's all a ploy to push him down boards

[sflegend89]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just can't fear a meniscus as much as an acl or mcl or pcl. Its just so much less likely to affect you in the future. I'd be willing to bet it's all a ploy to push him down boards

Concerns sound legit

[harfordravenfan]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just can't fear a meniscus as much as an acl or mcl or pcl. Its just so much less likely to affect you in the future. I'd be willing to bet it's all a ploy to push him down boards

My thoughts as well and unlike others... My gut says he'll make teams regret not taking him

[ravensdan]

It should definitely be a major concern. If it's such a minor injury and yet he still hasn't run. That's a major concern. When you're picking this high you don't take that risk with other game changing talents available. 

[GrimCoconut]

43 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

It should definitely be a major concern. If it's such a minor injury and yet he still hasn't run. That's a major concern. When you're picking this high you don't take that risk with other game changing talents available. 

It's very peculiar that he hasn't ran yet on that knee. It really does make you wonder. 

[Raven'evermore]

46 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

It should definitely be a major concern. If it's such a minor injury and yet he still hasn't run. That's a major concern. When you're picking this high you don't take that risk with other game changing talents available. 

 Agreed, it's not just making a bad pick on an injured player who may not pan out, but also what we coulda, woulda, shoulda gotten had we taken someone else such as Bosa, VH3, Elliott, Buckner or even Stanley.

[ludy51]

58 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

It's very peculiar that he hasn't ran yet on that knee. It really does make you wonder. 

Keeping himself as healthy as possible?

[Winchester]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just can't fear a meniscus as much as an acl or mcl or pcl. Its just so much less likely to affect you in the future. I'd be willing to bet it's all a ploy to push him down boards

My gf hurt her meniscus practicing for a swim meet and it required surgery and it still gives her trouble and she needs surgery again. I mentioned it a couple weeks ago I was not surprised at his refusal to run the 40. He has a couple weeks yet to get it better

[RavensDieHard21]

I still love Jack, but if it were between him and Ramsey, I'd take the prospect that doesn't have an injury concern.l think Jack will bounce back quick though.

[sflegend89]

I think Rasmey, Bosa, Tunsil, and possibly even Zeke Elliott are the guys we're zeroed in on. Obviously a lot of the interest in Jack is riding on our team doctors evaluation but I just get the feeling Ozzie/Eric are frankly sick of dealing with injuries/rehabs/set backs on this roster and would rather not add more question marks on top of what we're already dealing with, especially with what is essentially a top 5 pick for us assuming the Rams go QB.

 

There will be a team in the top 15 that will be willing to roll the dice on Jack because he's so talented... but that will only be because the blue chip prospects are already off the board. We're in a position where we will still have one of those blue chip guys fall to us, I think it would be wise to take one of those players and not have to deal with worrying about Jack's knee holding up as soon as we draft him.

[usmccharles]

Everyone knows I want Jack the most, but I am getting more concerned as time goes on and him not running a 40, it was however great to see him still kill the vertical.  I tore my meniscus when I was in the Marines, not gonna lie, it still gives me issues every now and then when I play ball.  What kind of time frame does this injury normally cause? 

[allblackraven]

34 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Everyone knows I want Jack the most, but I am getting more concerned as time goes on and him not running a 40, it was however great to see him still kill the vertical.  I tore my meniscus when I was in the Marines, not gonna lie, it still gives me issues every now and then when I play ball.  What kind of time frame does this injury normally cause? 

From what I know, it depends on the amount of damage to the cartilage and the procedure done to repair it.

Back in 60's (20th century) my dad had professional soccer career cut short - it took almost 2 years to get him running again after the tear and surgery but he was never good enough to play in pros after that. Luckily, medicine has advanced a bit over the next 50 or so years.

If there isn't lot of damage, repairs can be done via arthroscopic surgery, which is the least invasive. Swiss skier Zurbriggen won a downhill at the World Champs 3 weeks after arthroscopy.

If arthroscopy is not possible and cuts must be larger, then 5-6 months to full recovery is about average.

I don't know how invasive was Jack's procedure but he is now at the end of those 6 months. Not running 40-dash is not of any concern, imo. Why rush it if he can use next 3 months in smarter ways and make sure he's 100% for training camp and the season?

 

[Maryland]

I mean, if it's as bad as that report is making it out to be, then no.

However, if they're just trying to hurt his draft stock with false reports and his knee is actually fine, then yes.

I'll basically just trust in our organization if they take him or pass on him

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

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I don't know how invasive was Jack's procedure but he is now at the end of those 6 months. Not running 40-dash is not of any concern, imo. Why rush it if he can use next 3 months in smarter ways and make sure he's 100% for training camp and the season?

 

I don't think he should rush it.  The way I took reports is that he should be running the 40 by now and is why recently all the reports came out, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was smokescreens. 

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

I mean, if it's as bad as that report is making it out to be, then no.

However, if they're just trying to hurt his draft stock with false reports and his knee is actually fine, then yes.

I'll basically just trust in our organization if they take him or pass on him

Yeah, as I've been alluding to in at least one other thread, there's a lot going on that we don't know about and the most accurate picture we get will probably come when he gets drafted (so if he falls to the Cardinals then there's most likely a serious problem, but if the Rams take him at #1 I think it's safe to say the consensus medical reports have been pretty good and the "ticking time bomb" stuff was just a dead herring from teams wanting him to fall).

[rmw10]

Update from La Canfora on Jack. Sounds like there are still some question makes (as there should be), but nothing too bad. Sounds like everything has been overblown

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25559964/nfl-execs-say-anonymous-reports-on-myles-jack-overblown-disgusting