[News] Late For Work 4/18: Ravens Trying To Trade Out Of Top 10? Will Breshad Perriman Fully Participate?

[dirtybird66]

i'm really comfortable with whatever we do,how many times have the RAVENS front office let us down,i feel there is a drop-off after #6,but still some great value picks,I would never DRAFT a RB. so nice to see ERIC WEDDLE coming in on non mandatory camp's.great guy.he's our defensive QB. and that's great.

[Fastynart]

From the moment of the announcement that the Ravens drafted Perriman, I was screaming Noooooo! Another wasted #1 pick for a guy known as a ball dropper from a middle level school. What the hell are they thinking? Then, some mysterious knee injury crops up, preventing him from playing for an entire season. Oh yeah, he will be much faster on a repaired knee. Good grief.

[ArsenalRaven666]

The Titans traded out of 1st simply because of the value offered to them by the Rams. If Tunsil was going to be their pick and fell to 6th I believe they could try to trade back up and certainly have the picks. It would probably cost them a 1st 2nd and 3rd next but would still get their guy, gain a 2nd 3rd this year and rams 1st next. Drafting at 6 is also cheaper too

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Fastynart said:

From the moment of the announcement that the Ravens drafted Perriman, I was screaming Noooooo! Another wasted #1 pick for a guy known as a ball dropper from a middle level school. What the hell are they thinking? Then, some mysterious knee injury crops up, preventing him from playing for an entire season. Oh yeah, he will be much faster on a repaired knee. Good grief.

I wouldn't put too much stock in ball dropping in college. There are multiple reports I've read with historical data showing there's very little correlation between drops in college and drops in the Pros.

He doesn't need to be much faster either. He could even be a little bit slower, and he'd be just fine. He's expected to be more versatile and dynamic than a Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace.

[ArsenalRaven666]

As long as we dont go lower then 10th I would be happy.
Goff Wentz Ramsey Bosa Jack ... would still leave Tunsil Buckner Hargreaves Stanley Elliott or Treadwell.

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

As long as we dont go lower then 10th I would be happy.
Goff Wentz Ramsey Bosa Jack ... would still leave Tunsil Buckner Hargreaves Stanley Elliott or Treadwell.

Treadwell isn't in play for a top 10 pick. 

[balfan23]

"Cole said these executives believe quarterbacks will be drafted with the top two picks from L.A. and Cleveland, followed by three consecutive defensive players by San Diego, Dallas and Jacksonville." ...

Which equates to my mock prediction and has us drafting Tunsil. If that's the case, i don't know why we'd look to trade out of the top 10. I'll tell you this, if we drop back out of the #6, the world will be laser focused on who is selected at #6 through our pick. If any of those players significantly outperform our selection and that difference isn't made up by our additional pick(s), the FO will be taking major heat for the move - and deservedly so.

[balfan23]

44 minutes ago, Fastynart said:

From the moment of the announcement that the Ravens drafted Perriman, I was screaming Noooooo! Another wasted #1 pick for a guy known as a ball dropper from a middle level school. What the hell are they thinking? Then, some mysterious knee injury crops up, preventing him from playing for an entire season. Oh yeah, he will be much faster on a repaired knee. Good grief.

Alrighty then ... let's hear the list of players we better not take in the first round now and who you recommend we do take. We can try and get that info to the FO so they can act on your expertise and avoid such horrible mistakes as the one you could have helped them avoid last year. 

[harfordravenfan]

3 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Alrighty then ... let's hear the list of players we better not take in the first round now and who you recommend we do take. We can try and get that info to the FO so they can act on your expertise and avoid such horrible mistakes as the one you could have helped them avoid last year. 

It amazes me to see all the hate on an injured player yet to prove anyone right or wrong

[rmcjacket23]

23 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

"Cole said these executives believe quarterbacks will be drafted with the top two picks from L.A. and Cleveland, followed by three consecutive defensive players by San Diego, Dallas and Jacksonville." ...

Which equates to my mock prediction and has us drafting Tunsil. If that's the case, i don't know why we'd look to trade out of the top 10. I'll tell you this, if we drop back out of the #6, the world will be laser focused on who is selected at #6 through our pick. If any of those players significantly outperform our selection and that difference isn't made up by our additional pick(s), the FO will be taking major heat for the move - and deservedly so.

I don't see any scenario where we trade out of 6 if Tunsil or Ramsey is available.

[Ravens559]

look B.Perriman still has time to prove himself so forget the bust talk... what we should worry about is getting the best player in the draft that isn't a QB, P, or K ... if the first round 6th pick isn't QB Goff, DB Ramsey, or DE Joey Bosa then don't draft at that pick because i believe in my opinion that those three players only are worth it and we don't need a QB so the last two don't seem likely which in that case we should trade down...

Edited April 18, 2016 by Ravens559

[steelcityraven]

  1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

  1 hour ago, Ravens559 said:

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

Elam regressed as a tackler. It doesn't matter what position he plays until that is improved dramatically. Pees can't help him with that.

 

totally right about elam but like minion said pees moved him around a lot which has caused his growth stunt

All DB's struggled under Pees.... not one has been consistently good under Pees! Not one... in fact... I believe that is why we hired Leslie Frazier... (a DB guru- who could also take over as a DC if need be). I think if Elam is going to live up to his billing it will be now - that Pees has help in the areas that he is weakest. Leslie Frazier should mean that we finally get to see if Elam can cut it or not! (Brooks also)!

yea you're right...pees has been pissing me off ... i mean how come that guy hasn't got a HC job since winning the Super Bowl in his first year? pagano, ryan, nolan , M. Lewis all got HC jobs hell even Hue Jackson former QB coach got two HC jobs after leaving us in 2009

Pees is lucky to have a job.... in fact if Harbs wasn't sooooo loyal to his assistants... Pees would have been gone a long time ago... I will give Harbs and co. credit for this however... instead of letting Pees go... he brought in help to ensure that his friend will be successful. Hopefully Pees isn't too arrogant to learn from Frazier. I know this ... he is about out of excuses.... Really excited about he impact that Leslie Frazier will have on our DBs and our entire Defense, as a result!

[Ravens559]

  1 hour ago, Ravens559 said:

  1 hour ago, steelcityraven said:

  2 hours ago, Ravens559 said:

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

Elam regressed as a tackler. It doesn't matter what position he plays until that is improved dramatically. Pees can't help him with that.

 

totally right about elam but like minion said pees moved him around a lot which has caused his growth stunt

All DB's struggled under Pees.... not one has been consistently good under Pees! Not one... in fact... I believe that is why we hired Leslie Frazier... (a DB guru- who could also take over as a DC if need be). I think if Elam is going to live up to his billing it will be now - that Pees has help in the areas that he is weakest. Leslie Frazier should mean that we finally get to see if Elam can cut it or not! (Brooks also)!

yea you're right...pees has been pissing me off ... i mean how come that guy hasn't got a HC job since winning the Super Bowl in his first year? pagano, ryan, nolan , M. Lewis all got HC jobs hell even Hue Jackson former QB coach got two HC jobs after leaving us in 2009

Pees is lucky to have a job.... in fact if Harbs wasn't sooooo loyal to his assistants... Pees would have been gone a long time ago... I will give Harbs and co. credit for this however... instead of letting Pees go... he brought in help to ensure that his friend will be successful. Hopefully Pees isn't too arrogant to learn from Frazier. I know this ... he is about out of excuses.... Really excited about he impact that Leslie Frazier will have on our DBs and our entire Defense, as a result!

i'm hoping pees proves all of us wrong but i have a feeling he won't.. i think Leslie Frazier might have an opportunity at interim if this occurs

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, harfordravenfan said:

Nothing personal but really hoping perriman serves up a plate of crow to all the doubter's

I'd say if after 3 years perriman hasn't done anything... We could argue whether he or boller was the worst 

Me and you both.  

These same guys will probably be the 1st ones buying his jersey if he has a breakout year! 

[NNITRED]

  39 minutes ago, Fastynart said:

From the moment of the announcement that the Ravens drafted Perriman, I was screaming Noooooo! Another wasted #1 pick for a guy known as a ball dropper from a middle level school. What the hell are they thinking? Then, some mysterious knee injury crops up, preventing him from playing for an entire season. Oh yeah, he will be much faster on a repaired knee. Good grief.

I wouldn't put too much stock in ball dropping in college. There are multiple reports I've read with historical data showing there's very little correlation between drops in college and drops in the Pros.

He doesn't need to be much faster either. He could even be a little bit slower, and he'd be just fine. He's expected to be more versatile and dynamic than a Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace.

Perriman is less versatile than either Wallace or Smith.Then again the biggest mistake we made was trying to turn Smith into short range possession to suite Kubiak's "high percentage philosophy/ Sometime you simply have to let speed do what it does.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, NNITRED said:

Perriman is less versatile than either Wallace or Smith.Then again the biggest mistake we made was trying to turn Smith into short range possession to suite Kubiak's "high percentage philosophy/ Sometime you simply have to let speed do what it does.

How exactly is he less versatile? Granted, we don't really know too much considering he hasn't played in the pros, but Wallace and Smith can run go routes on the sidelines and that's it. Wallace is mildly effective occasionally on screens. Neither wants anything in the world to do with going over the middle, and their route running isn't great.

 

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Pees is lucky to have a job.... in fact if Harbs wasn't sooooo loyal to his assistants... Pees would have been gone a long time ago... I will give Harbs and co. credit for this however... instead of letting Pees go... he brought in help to ensure that his friend will be successful. Hopefully Pees isn't too arrogant to learn from Frazier. I know this ... he is about out of excuses.... Really excited about he impact that Leslie Frazier will have on our DBs and our entire Defense, as a result!

Well, lets be realistic here.

Dean Pees has been employed as a football coach in college or the Pros for over 35 consecutive years, and he's been employed as a Pro coach for 12 consecutive seasons. The guy isn't now nor is he going to be hurting for employment one way or another.

He's certainly not the best Coordinator, but if the Ravens fired him, he'd get another job in the league very quickly. He may even get another DC job shortly after that.

[bluehen]

Not very encouraging about Perriman, sounds like Joe is making better progress.

[fusuymada]

For those choosing camps, I am in the Perriman camp. I think if he plays to potential, there is a lot of crow (not Raven) going to be served up by me. If he tanks it, then I will gladly eat my words. I was a big supporter of Perriman, anticipated that he would be the last good receiver on the board and that we would pick a wide receiver. I stick by my decision...... I am believing more and more that we will be picking at 6. Besides the Rams moving up, Peter King is saying that his sources indicate that Cleveland is trying like heck to get out of the two spot. Seems they are tickled with RGIII and Hue Jackson trusts his instincts he can get a good qb in round 2. Add to that rumors that San Diego and Dallas both would be willing to trade back means that the Eagles may move up to get Elliott and even a third qb could go to Jets. At this point I am heavily leaning to Tunsil being available at 6 and that is someone that Ozzie won't turn down. If everyone bails out before our pick, there may not be any trade partners when we are on the clock. I think if Ozzie is trading out, he will do so in the next couple days, if we get to the draft, we will be grabbing Tunsil, Ramsey or Hargreaves. Since pass rushers are available in droves. I think Spence, Nkemdiche and several other top talents will still be there when we pick in the second round.

[fusuymada]

28 minutes ago, bluehen said:

Not very encouraging about Perriman, sounds like Joe is making better progress.

Just watched the video of today's workout and it looked like Perriman was getting it.   Of course it is hard to tell in a 4 second clip, but he didn't seem to be favoring it and certainly is far ahead of where Joe is at.

[ravenwildman]

I love the way these sports writers try to guess what Ozzie and Eric will do....hey Cole, why not? you have a 50% percent chance of being right....and 50% chance you're wrong , LOL. GO RAVENS!

[eze17]

look B.Perriman still has time to prove himself so forget the bust talk... what we should worry about is getting the best player in the draft that isn't a QB, P, or K ... if the first round 6th pick isn't QB Goff, DB Ramsey, or DE Joey Bosa then don't draft at that pick because i believe in my opinion that those three players only are worth it and we don't need a QB so the last two don't seem likely which in that case we should trade down...

Really? No Tunsil?

[757RavensFan]

12 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Just watched the video of today's workout and it looked like Perriman was getting it.   Of course it is hard to tell in a 4 second clip, but he didn't seem to be favoring it and certainly is far ahead of where Joe is at.

Just watched it myself.  That's a great sign that he's out there leading during the sprints. 

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I don't see any scenario where we trade out of 6 if Tunsil or Ramsey is available.

I sincerely hope not

[Drew P]

3 hours ago, Fastynart said:

From the moment of the announcement that the Ravens drafted Perriman, I was screaming Noooooo! Another wasted #1 pick for a guy known as a ball dropper from a middle level school. What the hell are they thinking? Then, some mysterious knee injury crops up, preventing him from playing for an entire season. Oh yeah, he will be much faster on a repaired knee. Good grief.

Wasted emotion we are past this now he is on the roster.

2016 Draft here we come.

[Drew P]

1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Just watched the video of today's workout and it looked like Perriman was getting it.   Of course it is hard to tell in a 4 second clip, but he didn't seem to be favoring it and certainly is far ahead of where Joe is at.

Not considering he went down about 3 months prior than Joe

[FloridalovesRavens]

From the moment of the announcement that the Ravens drafted Perriman, I was screaming Noooooo! Another wasted #1 pick for a guy known as a ball dropper from a middle level school. What the hell are they thinking? Then, some mysterious knee injury crops up, preventing him from playing for an entire season. Oh yeah, he will be much faster on a repaired knee. Good grief.

I sincerely hope he proves all you haters wrong. This kid has been through it since he was drafted. I feel for the kid. I would think our FO knows what it's doing, don't you trust them?

[hen826957]

I'm sorry, but they better not trade out of the 10 or Ozzie is making a big mistake there missing top players for more draft picks. We just can't do it this year. The only way l would trade down the top 10 this year unless the trade where to offer a 1st round pick in next year draft which means we will have 2 first round picks next year but other than that stay where you are and pick the best player available.

Edited April 18, 2016 by hen826957

[FLBoyRaven]

Idk how much higher we value Bosa over the other edge rushers in this draft. Just as Za'Darius played opposite to Dupree and is a better pro I think the same might happen to Joey because he didnt do nearly as good after Spence left and looked slow. Shaq Lawson is the best Clemson de to come out in yrs so I hope he isnt being judged because other former Tigers have been busts. I like Tunsil if hes there at 6 but he has injury concerns not playing a full season in college. Ramsey and Buckner if at 6 i'd take. Saying that Im high on Lawsons playing style, stout against the run, can get pressure off the edge and he plays angry. Says he watches old footage of Reggie White.

[fluffy201]

Perriman has yet to hit the field so give the kid a chance. As for trading out of 6, I here the titans want to move back into the top ten. What if we traded with the titans for both their second round picks and then move back to ten by trading the 15 and 1 second and a 4th and grab Hargreaves. I really like this kid.....plays like a Raven and hopefully he will be there at 10......Just speculation, but fun to think about