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[757RavensFan]

Couple of interesting tidbits in today's LFW.  

- Ravens favored by 3 over the Bills.  3 pts is what you normally get for a home team when both teams are considered equal.  

- TEN trying to move back into the top 10? I really hope the Ravens stay put at 6th unless they get a great package deal.  

- If the Rams are targeting Goff, I don't see why the Browns would trade back.  I was under the impression that CLE wanted Wentz if

that's the case, why don't they just stay put and grab him with their 2nd.  

 

 

[jravens1313]

There is no way we trade out of the No. 6 pick and pass on Tunsil in that scenario. If someone gives us the ranch we could potentially move back, but I don't see it happening after Goff and Wentz are gone.

[rmcjacket23]

Couple of interesting tidbits in today's LFW.  

- Ravens favored by 3 over the Bills.  3 pts is what you normally get for a home team when both teams are considered equal.  

- TEN trying to move back into the top 10? I really hope the Ravens stay put at 6th unless they get a great package deal.  

- If the Rams are targeting Goff, I don't see why the Browns would trade back.  I was under the impression that CLE wanted Wentz if

that's the case, why don't they just stay put and grab him with their 2nd.  

 

 

I think the decision to move back from 6 can't possibly come probably until its our turn to pick... there's no way that deal goes through before then.

I can't see us moving out if either Ramsey or Tunsil is on the board, and we pretty much can't do that until at least like the 3rd or 4th pick.

If both of those guys are gone, I can see us looking to move back. If we move back though, I can't imagine its outside of the top 12-15.

[ellicottraven]

If Tunsil begins falling beyond the Cowboys and Jacksonville is intent on sticking with their pick, then the Ravens will have a choice to make because Tennessee will be very interested in trading down. Will they give up on Laremy Tunsil, the best tackle we could have since JO or trade down with them and accumulate a third, their second and another they got from the Rams along with their first from them this year? Tough call if that scenario actually plays out, but will that be enough for the Ravens to trade back? Don't know.

[rmcjacket23]

If Tunsil begins falling beyond the Cowboys and Jacksonville is intent on sticking with their pick, then the Ravens will have a choice to make because Tennessee will be very interested in trading down. Will they give up on Laremy Tunsil, the best tackle we could have since JO or trade down with them and accumulate a third, their second and another they got from the Rams along with their first from them this year? Tough call if that scenario actually plays out, but will that be enough for the Ravens to trade back? Don't know.

I would bet that the Titans would be more interested in moving up a little bit to get like Stanley or whoever they rate their 3rd best tackle at.

I think jumping back up from 15 to like 4-6 for Tunsil really doesn't make a ton of sense to me to be honest.

[WNC-Raven]

We need a playmaker in the worse way. Who do we have on the current roster that coaches have to game plan for? Who are opposing teams afraid of? If the Ravens trade out of #6 we may be an 8-8 team for years to come.

[ludy51]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I would bet that the Titans would be more interested in moving up a little bit to get like Stanley or whoever they rate their 3rd best tackle at.

I think jumping back up from 15 to like 4-6 for Tunsil really doesn't make a ton of sense to me to be honest.

Maybe they liked and got so much from the Rams trade that if Tunsil falls they can still afford to trade up? 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, ludy51 said:

Maybe they liked and got so much from the Rams trade that if Tunsil falls they can still afford to trade up? 

They can certainly afford to, that's not the issue.

I think the issue is 1. they don't even know if they really want a LT or a RT, and 2. they probably aren't interested in giving up most of the picks they got this year to move back up. Could easily cost them basically all the picks they acquired for this season to move up from 15 to like 5.

If I were them, I'd do nothing. They've got 4 top 45 picks in a draft that doesn't have a lot of top-end talent and has a lot of depth... I'd use all of them.

[ludy51]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

They can certainly afford to, that's not the issue.

I think the issue is 1. they don't even know if they really want a LT or a RT, and 2. they probably aren't interested in giving up most of the picks they got this year to move back up. Could easily cost them basically all the picks they acquired for this season to move up from 15 to like 5.

If I were them, I'd do nothing. They've got 4 top 45 picks in a draft that doesn't have a lot of top-end talent and has a lot of depth... I'd use all of them.

So would I, just to be clear, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to move Lewan to the right and stick Tunsil at left to protect Maritoa

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

So would I, just to be clear, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to move Lewan to the right and stick Tunsil at left to protect Maritoa

It also wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same with Stanley or another player, which would likely cost far less. Or, it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep Lewan at LT and get a really exceptional RT early in the draft either.

 

[ludy51]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

It also wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same with Stanley or another player, which would likely cost far less. Or, it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep Lewan at LT and get a really exceptional RT early in the draft either.

 

It's true this is a deep draft at T, but if they wanted a sure thing, than Tunsil's your guy

[fusuymada]

This year is a tough year to try to figure what the Ravens are going to do. The last three years I was able to determine at least what position they would draft but this year there are only a few "great" players and a whole bunch of "good" players. Is one great player worth more than 2 or 3 players who may have off field issues, be of lesser quality or have a lower up side. I know as fans we want that great player but with our needs, what is out there and the quantities they are there at, trading back, to even 8 with the Eagles, would get at least one more good pick and we could still come away with Hargreaves. But in my opinion, if Ramsey or Tunsil is there, and we trade back, someone should have their heads examined but short of that if they can move back, still get Hargreaves and then be able to move back into the first round and get someone like Spence and then our second round pick could get someone like Nkemdiche I would be tickled. I know I chose two guys with off field issues but if the Ravens can get one to buy into the team, then that would be a good draft to me (Hargreaves, Spence, Nkemdiche).

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I would bet that the Titans would be more interested in moving up a little bit to get like Stanley or whoever they rate their 3rd best tackle at.

I think jumping back up from 15 to like 4-6 for Tunsil really doesn't make a ton of sense to me to be honest.

I believe come draft day when the phones are ringing, teams in the 5-7 range are more likely to trade back 8-10 spots for a few additional picks based on value. What the Rams gave up to move to #1 was a lot but again, they had competition. Remember the Titans were taking Tunsil with their #1 pick anyway and may still trade for him but giving up far less than what they acquired from the Rams. Their stated position is they wouldn't rule out trading back up in the first round into the top 10. So what really doesn't make sense in all of this??

Edited April 18, 2016 by ellicottraven

[Crusader]

This year is a tough year to try to figure what the Ravens are going to do. The last three years I was able to determine at least what position they would draft but this year there are only a few "great" players and a whole bunch of "good" players. Is one great player worth more than 2 or 3 players who may have off field issues, be of lesser quality or have a lower up side. I know as fans we want that great player but with our needs, what is out there and the quantities they are there at, trading back, to even 8 with the Eagles, would get at least one more good pick and we could still come away with Hargreaves. But in my opinion, if Ramsey or Tunsil is there, and we trade back, someone should have their heads examined but short of that if they can move back, still get Hargreaves and then be able to move back into the first round and get someone like Spence and then our second round pick could get someone like Nkemdiche I would be tickled. I know I chose two guys with off field issues but if the Ravens can get one to buy into the team, then that would be a good draft to me (Hargreaves, Spence, Nkemdiche).

That's because after the SB, this "team" became totally controlled Johns team and Ozzy's picks have been very questionable. Perriman will probably go down as the Ravens biggest bust in history. He can't - hasn't even made it thru practice.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Crusader said:

That's because after the SB, this "team" became totally controlled Johns team and Ozzy's picks have been very questionable. Perriman will probably go down as the Ravens biggest bust in history. He can't - hasn't even made it thru practice.

Well, I would certainly hope that any HC would have total control of his team.

Pretty hard to have a good football team and that not be the case.

[Minionhunter]

  32 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

This year is a tough year to try to figure what the Ravens are going to do. The last three years I was able to determine at least what position they would draft but this year there are only a few "great" players and a whole bunch of "good" players. Is one great player worth more than 2 or 3 players who may have off field issues, be of lesser quality or have a lower up side. I know as fans we want that great player but with our needs, what is out there and the quantities they are there at, trading back, to even 8 with the Eagles, would get at least one more good pick and we could still come away with Hargreaves. But in my opinion, if Ramsey or Tunsil is there, and we trade back, someone should have their heads examined but short of that if they can move back, still get Hargreaves and then be able to move back into the first round and get someone like Spence and then our second round pick could get someone like Nkemdiche I would be tickled. I know I chose two guys with off field issues but if the Ravens can get one to buy into the team, then that would be a good draft to me (Hargreaves, Spence, Nkemdiche).

That's because after the SB, this "team" became totally controlled Johns team and Ozzy's picks have been very questionable. Perriman will probably go down as the Ravens biggest bust in history. He can't - hasn't even made it thru practice.

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

Elam regressed as a tackler. It doesn't matter what position he plays until that is improved dramatically. Pees can't help him with that.

 

[harfordravenfan]

58 minutes ago, Crusader said:

That's because after the SB, this "team" became totally controlled Johns team and Ozzy's picks have been very questionable. Perriman will probably go down as the Ravens biggest bust in history. He can't - hasn't even made it thru practice.

Nothing personal but really hoping perriman serves up a plate of crow to all the doubter's

I'd say if after 3 years perriman hasn't done anything... We could argue whether he or boller was the worst 

[Ravens559]

  30 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

Elam regressed as a tackler. It doesn't matter what position he plays until that is improved dramatically. Pees can't help him with that.

 

totally right about elam but like minion said pees moved him around a lot which has caused his growth stunt

[Ravens559]

also know the best player in the draft is Derrick Henry and we need to trade back with the jets so they can grab a QB if goff is there and we grab henry... forger needs in the draft... draft Best player ozzie...Draft the best player !

[Ravens559]

imagine getting derrick henry with forsett gone in a year or two, we will still have buck allen and L. Taliaferro ... we will have a three headed monster...fyi i don't think we keep trent richardson...

[eze17]

I've said before that I think Tunsil and Ramsey will be gone by #6. If by some strange twist one of them is there, I am pretty positive we'd grab them in a heartbeat. If both are gone, the FO will probably listen to trading back, but I would imagine not more than 4-6 spots back. ( i've been hearing rumors of trading with the Jets, which I can't see where we'd get enough to move out of #6. )

[rmcjacket23]

24 minutes ago, Ravens559 said:

totally right about elam but like minion said pees moved him around a lot which has caused his growth stunt

Regression in tackling isn't a growth stunt. The only person that control that is Elam.

That's what I don't understand where fans come up with this stuff. Coverage skills or lack thereof isn't even remotely Elam's biggest problem right now, nor is what position on the field he is playing.

Its A problem, its not anywhere near THE problem. 

[steelcityraven]

imagine getting derrick henry with forsett gone in a year or two, we will still have buck allen and L. Taliaferro ... we will have a three headed monster...fyi i don't think we keep trent richardson...

Dont be too surprised if Trent Richardson doesn't come in here and do some work! He has been unmotivated and out of shape to this point in his career. He is not realizing that his career can be over if this doesn't pan out.... He is in the best shape of his life and he obviously has talent... (High end talent)... getting into a great program, around some great professionals and motivated with that kind of talent could be like hitting the lottery for the Ravens.

[steelcityraven]

  36 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  53 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

Elam regressed as a tackler. It doesn't matter what position he plays until that is improved dramatically. Pees can't help him with that.

 

totally right about elam but like minion said pees moved him around a lot which has caused his growth stunt

All DB's struggled under Pees.... not one has been consistently good under Pees! Not one... in fact... I believe that is why we hired Leslie Frazier... (a DB guru- who could also take over as a DC if need be). I think if Elam is going to live up to his billing it will be now - that Pees has help in the areas that he is weakest. Leslie Frazier should mean that we finally get to see if Elam can cut it or not! (Brooks also)!

[steelcityraven]

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It also wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same with Stanley or another player, which would likely cost far less. Or, it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep Lewan at LT and get a really exceptional RT early in the draft either.

 

It's true this is a deep draft at T, but if they wanted a sure thing, than Tunsil's your guy

I agree that if Tunsil is there we have to take him! If he is gone (and Ramsey) I would not be opposed to trading back and grabbing Stanley (or others) and loading up in this draft!

[steelcityraven]

OR VHIII if we trade back!

[Ravens559]

  30 minutes ago, Ravens559 said:

  45 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  1 hour ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't think so. Elam was Mr 32 and playing safety is hard and requires stability which Pees didn't provide moving him all around the backfield. Perriman was a consensus pick, maybe injuries will make him a bust make not, but he has been trained by Michael Irvin his whole life and I want to give him at least this season if not next too before I call him a bust. The Bears had their #1 WR miss all last season too... Injuries happen, just ask Urban. The thing with Perriman was the weird handling of the reporting then his re-injury of it. I think they are going slowly to maximize the chance he can successfully reintegrate into playing. I wish him all the luck.

Elam regressed as a tackler. It doesn't matter what position he plays until that is improved dramatically. Pees can't help him with that.

 

totally right about elam but like minion said pees moved him around a lot which has caused his growth stunt

All DB's struggled under Pees.... not one has been consistently good under Pees! Not one... in fact... I believe that is why we hired Leslie Frazier... (a DB guru- who could also take over as a DC if need be). I think if Elam is going to live up to his billing it will be now - that Pees has help in the areas that he is weakest. Leslie Frazier should mean that we finally get to see if Elam can cut it or not! (Brooks also)!

yea you're right...pees has been pissing me off ... i mean how come that guy hasn't got a HC job since winning the Super Bowl in his first year? pagano, ryan, nolan , M. Lewis all got HC jobs hell even Hue Jackson former QB coach got two HC jobs after leaving us in 2009

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Ravens559 said:

yea you're right...pees has been pissing me off ... i mean how come that guy hasn't got a HC job since winning the Super Bowl in his first year? pagano, ryan, nolan , M. Lewis all got HC jobs hell even Hue Jackson former QB coach got two HC jobs after leaving us in 2009

True, although many of those guys aren't good HCs. In fact, none of them are overly impressive in my opinion. 

Pees isn't a great coordinator. Everybody agrees with that. But its not like anybody really thinks this defense is so flush with talent that Pees is holding everyone back either.