Jalen Ramsey

[acosta2277]

Like most of us, I have given up all hope of our chances at drafting Jalen Ramsey. But after the blockbuster trade with the Rams and Titans. It got me thinking... Does this trade make it more or less possible that Ramsey falls to #6? What are your thoughts?

Edit:

Possible top 5 Picks:

1: Wentz

2: Goff

3: Tunsil

4: Bosa/Elliot

5: Jack

Edited April 18, 2016 by acosta2277

[JoeyFlex5]

i see no scenario of him falling past dallas.

[Maryland]

Ed Werder reported that Ramsey said the teams showing the most interest in him included SD, DAL, JAX, and BAL. So given that all 3 teams ahead of us are very interested, I have to doubt it. 

And, of course, this is all assuming QBs go #1 and #2, since the Browns could draft Tunsil, meaning SD takes Ramsey. 

I've given up hope on getting Tunsil or Ramsey at this point. Maybe others will be more optimistic. 

[Wildabeast88]

It is hard to say what Dallas wants anything from Bosa to Wentz you can assume they won't take Tunsil. Most accounts have           Jacksonville going D-line/ pass rusher. If the 2nd QB goes then Bosa Jack or Tunsil should be available.

[rmw10]

I have a hard time believing Ramsey will fall beyond Dallas.  It's been rumored that he's #1 on their board.  Their board seemingly gets leaked every year and ends up being correct.

[Cville-Raven]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I have a hard time believing Ramsey will fall beyond Dallas.  It's been rumored that he's #1 on their board.  Their board seemingly gets leaked every year and ends up being correct.

They should really look at securing that information better.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I have a hard time believing Ramsey will fall beyond Dallas.  It's been rumored that he's #1 on their board.  Their board seemingly gets leaked every year and ends up being correct.

Trade ahead of them with the Chargers lol. 

I agree. I don't think it happens. The only way I see us getting Ramsey at 6 is if he gets busted for some drug or domestic violence issue or a murder charge like Collins last year. 

[flynismo]

Honestly, Tunsil is just as good a prospect, and plays a more highly valued position. I know he is the boring pick, especially when you consider how badly we need to address our defense on all levels, but there's a solid chance that he drops to us. We just have to take him if he is there.

That said, I can certainly envision a realistic scenario where Ramsey falls to us. We know the Rams are going QB. CLE is very possibly going to take QB as well. SD desperately needs a long term answer at LT, which as I said, is the most highly valued position outside of QB. Dallas is the real wild card here...Bosa or Jack both fill huge needs for them, and again, pass rushers are more sought after than DBs, all else being equal. It wouldn't be a surprise if they took Elliot either, Dallas has always loved their RBs. Let's say Dallas takes Bosa.

That leaves Jax. Myles Jack still on the board, that is awfully hard for them to pass up on. Or they could spend yet another top pick on DL and go with Buckner...but they almost certainly would take Jack over Buckner.

So in this scenario, those first five picks are all very realistic and sensible choices for those five teams, and results in us having our choice between Buckner and Ramsey.

But let's not fall in love with just one guy. This trade guarantees that an elite prospect falls to us. In all likelihood, I think one of either Bosa, Tunsil, Jack or Ramsey will fall to us. One of them will be there, and I would be absolutely ecstatic with any of them.

Edited April 17, 2016 by flynismo

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

There is always a chance but it's very slim in my opinion and GM's are sitting there hoping and waiting just like we are the difference is they pick before us. However the Rams / Titans trade threw a monkey wrench into the process so how many boards have changed with Tunsil still out there?

[Dame2]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i see no scenario of him falling past dallas.

Dallas is high on Elliot and Bosa they have no DE's so it's possible 

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

There is always a chance but it's very slim in my opinion and GM's are sitting there hoping and waiting just like we are the difference is they pick before us. However the Rams / Titans trade threw a monkey wrench into the process so how many boards have changed with Tunsil still out there?

Yeah, that's exactly it. A month ago, many mocks didn't have a QB going in the top five. In that world, hoping for Ramsey to fall was a pipe dream, especially since the talk was supposedly how much TEN valued Ramsey. Now, it's a much different landscape.

[flynismo]

25 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I have a hard time believing Ramsey will fall beyond Dallas.  It's been rumored that he's #1 on their board.  Their board seemingly gets leaked every year and ends up being correct.

I wouldn't listen to anything you hear this time of year. Lots of games will be played, smoke and mirrors

[rmw10]

23 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

They should really look at securing that information better.

I'm not sure they really even care lol

[Tru11]

Dont think the cowboys want ramsey unless they see him as a corner.

They already drafted jones last year who is their safety/corner hybrid and i dont think they would try and pair them since 1 of them would have to be more of a SS which is not their strength.

Chargers most likely will take Tunsil cause they cant let Rivers take a beating again.

Jags i could see ramsey over jack since they have a bigger need at safety.

Browns can go from QB all the way to jack, ramsey or bosa , although if they dont go QB i expected them to trade out.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

I wouldn't listen to anything you hear this time of year. Lots of games will be played, smoke and mirrors

Just going off of history.  Their entire board was leaked in 2013, and I mean every round when I say that.  It's been reported the past couple of years which direction they'd be going as well.  It's also coming from a very reputable source in Tony Pauline.  I'm not saying that it's forgone, but history would make me lean more in that direction than the other.

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Dont think the cowboys want ramsey unless they see him as a corner.

They already drafted jones last year who is their safety/corner hybrid and i dont think they would try and pair them since 1 of them would have to be more of a SS which is not their strength.

Chargers most likely will take Tunsil cause they cant let Rivers take a beating again.

Jags i could see ramsey over jack since they have a bigger need at safety.

Browns can go from QB all the way to jack, ramsey or bosa , although if they dont go QB i expected them to trade out.

Agreed. So many directions for CLE to go...but if they trade down, I don't think the player selected changes, just the team he's going to.

I.E., I'm honestly expecting Wentz and Goff to go #1 and #2

[balfan23]

7 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Dont think the cowboys want ramsey unless they see him as a corner.

They already drafted jones last year who is their safety/corner hybrid and i dont think they would try and pair them since 1 of them would have to be more of a SS which is not their strength.

Chargers most likely will take Tunsil cause they cant let Rivers take a beating again.

Jags i could see ramsey over jack since they have a bigger need at safety.

Browns can go from QB all the way to jack, ramsey or bosa , although if they dont go QB i expected them to trade out.

I agree with that ... IMO, the probability is high that the first 2 selections are QB and that does not necessarily mean the Rams and Browns. Or perhaps that is just my own wishful thinking ...

[GrimCoconut]

14 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Dont think the cowboys want ramsey unless they see him as a corner.

They already drafted jones last year who is their safety/corner hybrid and i dont think they would try and pair them since 1 of them would have to be more of a SS which is not their strength.

Chargers most likely will take Tunsil cause they cant let Rivers take a beating again.

Jags i could see ramsey over jack since they have a bigger need at safety.

Browns can go from QB all the way to jack, ramsey or bosa , although if they dont go QB i expected them to trade out.

I think Dallas does see Ramsey as a CB. I don't think they see him as a safety. 

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Dallas does see Ramsey as a CB. I don't think they see him as a safety. 

they better off trading down and getting hargreaves then TBH 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

21 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Dallas does see Ramsey as a CB. I don't think they see him as a safety. 

Grim, what you just said is why his value is so high. Ramsey can play and start as both a CB or a Safety. What they are saying is he is so versatile that he can be a playmaker at either position.

****Point being any team that has a legitimate shot at him would get a guy they can shuffle in and out of positions on the back end and still perform at a high level when and if injuries happen the defense can still get the most out of their roster because he is very inter-changable.****

Edited April 17, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN
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[GrimCoconut]

25 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

they better off trading down and getting hargreaves then TBH 

Maybe, but I don't think NFL GMs think this way. If they think Ramsey is a game-changer, they take him ahead of Hargreaves. Hargreaves has more plays made on the ball, though; however, Ramsey has that athleticism and he killed the ball skills drill at the NFLPA event they had back in Feb or Jan, I can't recall when. 

21 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Grim, what you just said is why his value is so high. Ramsey can play and start as both a CB or a Safety. What they are saying is he is so versatile that he can be a playmaker at either position.

****Point being any team that has a legitimate shot at him would get a guy they can shuffle in and out of positions on the back end and still perform at a high level when and if injuries happen the defense can still get the most out of their roster because he is very inter-changable.****

That could be true. I will say I don't like Ramsey as much day 1 as a safety as I do as a CB. I think he is a much better early starter at CB than FS, though he could do damage at SS early on.

[Maryland]

3 hours ago, Dame2 said:

Dallas is high on Elliot and Bosa they have no DE's so it's possible 

Everything I've read about Dallas and Bosa is that they don't like him

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Everything I've read about Dallas and Bosa is that they don't like him

Yea but how much stock do you put in pre-draft reports? 

[ALPHA]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea but how much stock do you put in pre-draft reports? 

Could be a dreaded "smokescreen" oh no!

Ramsey and Weddle would be a nasty pairing. Oh to dream.

[Maryland]

37 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea but how much stock do you put in pre-draft reports? 

I've heard this particular rumor repeated enough to where it seems believable. He doesn't have elite athleticism, and he sounds kind of dumb tbh. But hey, if they draft Bosa and prove me wrong, then I'm happy. 

Although like others have said, Dallas is pretty loose with the way they do things. Their rumors more often contain some truth compared to other teams

[Cillmatic]

Ramsey would be the best SS since TP. I don't care if Weddle's natural position isn't FS, if we manage to get Ramsey we NEED to move Eric to FS, that would be a LEGENDARY pair.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

Could be a dreaded "smokescreen" oh no!

Ramsey and Weddle would be a nasty pairing. Oh to dream.

I think the only smoke Jerry Jones knows how to blow is from another hole opposite his mouth. 

Edited April 17, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Prino61]

After watching Jalen Ramsey highlights for the 50th time I noticed he rarely catches interceptions so I looked up his college stats and he only have 3picks(could be inaccurate) for his career. Is this a problem for you?

[BmoreBird22]

15 minutes ago, Prino61 said:

After watching Jalen Ramsey highlights for the 50th time I noticed he rarely catches interceptions so I looked up his college stats and he only have 3picks(could be inaccurate) for his career. Is this a problem for you?

Mackensie Alexander had zero and that doesn't bother me a bit. Why? Because he doesn't get thrown at.

[Jacquouille]

His ball skills appear on tape. He knows how to put himself into position to make an INT, with better hands he will easily have more.