[News] Eisenberg: Blockbuster Trade Raises Tough Questions For Ravens

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The Ravens need to correctly project which player will have the most successful NFL career between Joey Bosa, DeForest Buckner, Myles Jack, Jalen Ramsey and Laremy Tunsil.

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[Xmadraven]

We're not drafting bosa, Tunsil/Ramsey will be gone (No way in heck all 3 teams pass on ramsey) Chargers are a lock to take tunsil or ramsey, Cowboys/Jaguars WILL take ramsey if they don't. Buckner/Bosa will most likely end up being the "debate"

[Minionhunter]

Bosa's lack of production his last year is troubling to me. I hope we trade back to upper mid first round and get Spence plus 2nd and 3rd round picks if Jack or Tunsil are gone. Use our acquired 3rd round pick to get Kolby Listenbee. I'll keep saying this until we do it. Otherwise we will be victimized by Listenbee because he won't make it past NE third round comp pick they got for Revis.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

There are some mocks out there that have Tunsil dropping to 6th. I don't really put much faith in mock drafts but I suppose if things do go a certain way that could happen. I could also easily see a team that is close enough to a top pick that really wants or needs Tunsil trading up to get him. But, if he's sitting there at #6 it really does not become a tough choice.

Our offensive line took a hit when it lost Osemele. Eugene Monroe appears to be on the downside of his career now. If he's healthy he can start at LT and if we draft Tunsil he could perhaps play at RT over Wagner (who is coming off a lisfranc and didn't look nearly as good in 2015 as he did in 2014) or he could start at LG which makes a little more sense to me since our starting options are Ryan Jensen or John Urschel.

That sure wouldn't be a sexy pick and it might be the safest pick in the draft, but what's wrong with that when he's the highest rated player in the draft so he's definitely best player available, also fits a need, and could be a franchise LT for years to come?

I would be higher on Jack if he came back with a clearer medical report. Some teams weren't happy with his medicals and maybe that's a smoke screen in an attempt to get his draft stock to fall. If he's our guy I hope to heck the Ravens know for sure that knee is not going to be an issue. I'm not high on Bucker or Bosa. I don't think Ramsey will be there at 6.

[Daddyfatsacks]

Please get Jaylon Smith in one of the later rounds

[cbnbmore]

My gut feeling is the Eagles are going to try and jump ahead of the 49ers and grab Paxton Lynch. If they make the move with the Ravens I can see us maybe getting a 2nd round pick out of it and still pick in the 8th spot. Perhaps the 49ers get worried and swap spots with us to prevent that. Either way we get more picks and still get our player we wanted. Only way I stay put is if Ramsey or Tunsil is still there and then I select him.

[b93333]

We're not drafting bosa, Tunsil/Ramsey will be gone (No way in heck all 3 teams pass on ramsey) Chargers are a lock to take tunsil or ramsey, Cowboys/Jaguars WILL take ramsey if they don't. Buckner/Bosa will most likely end up being the "debate"

Last season ended when Suggs went down. There are no guarantees, let alone the likelihood, that he will be coming back anything like the old Suggs. Everyone rates Bosa as the best edge rusher in the draft... seems like a natural selection if Ramsey, Tunsil and Jack are gone.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Any mock draft that has Tunsil falling past the Chargers is pretty much worthless. Rivers was sacked 40+ times last year and the Chargers have to face Von Miller & Ware, Khalil Mack, Tambi Hali & Justin Houston TWICE a season.

[jravens1313]

I'm so happy Cleveland missed out on Wentz and potentially finding a Franchise QB that could compete in the division. They have to feel snubbed if they assumed they had the pick of the litter.

Now that we know a QB is going No.1 and potentially another going before we pick, I have no worries about who we draft, unless its Ramsey. Can people please get off the bandwagon? He doesn't make that many plays, he doesn't have the fluid hips to play corner, and he doesn't play a high impact position. Karl Joseph in the 2nd Round would be better value and will out play Ramsey over his career. Bosa and Jack are the guys we really need. Jack's versatility is unheard of and Bosa is a high motor play wrecker. He is Suggs 2.0. All you haters need to let it go because he will be dominant. If we land Tunsil we end up with the top player of the 2016 class according to all of the analysts. This is a win win situation. DO NOT TRADE BACK!

[surfdude]

What about trading up with the Chargers ? I mean I think either Ramsey or Tunsil are game changers. I would love to have either. Sounds like the Browns might trade and move down. Bad reports are coming out about Jack and his knee that could screw things up and that's why I think the Ravens going for it with a trade up to take either Ramsey or Tunsil would work.

[The Greek]

i know myles jack is a beast but his knee injury scares me. i believe tunsil falls to us unless the browns snag him which they may and if so than bosa or buckner it shall be. too risky to grab jack when we have not drafted this high in a long time. i hope tunsil falls to us to anchor the blind side for 10-12 years. we can go defense the rest of the draft aside from grabbing another wr and o-lineman.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Sounds like a good predicament to be in to me.

[The Greek]

Bosa's lack of production his last year is troubling to me. I hope we trade back to upper mid first round and get Spence plus 2nd and 3rd round picks if Jack or Tunsil are gone. Use our acquired 3rd round pick to get Kolby Listenbee. I'll keep saying this until we do it. Otherwise we will be victimized by Listenbee because he won't make it past NE third round comp pick they got for Revis.

i like listenbee as well. not sure he is worth a 3rd but i would definitely use one of our 4 4th rd picks on him. he could be the next edelman or welker

[Fastynart]

This is a no brainer. You take the LT if he is there, period. Your quarterback is where your money it. If you don't protect his blind side, you are dead no matter how many defensive ends you have. If Flacco is left with that awful Monroe there, he is going to get creamed and the Ravens will go down with him.

[The Greek]

17 minutes ago, surfdude said:

What about trading up with the Chargers ? I mean I think either Ramsey or Tunsil are game changers. I would love to have either. Sounds like the Browns might trade and move down. Bad reports are coming out about Jack and his knee that could screw things up and that's why I think the Ravens going for it with a trade up to take either Ramsey or Tunsil would work.

have to give up too much just to move up 3 spots. they would want a 2nd and maybe a 4th and we need our 1-3 rd picks badly to infuse youth into the defense. suggs and doom are 34 and 33 this season and all we have in pass rushing youth is z.smith. maybe brent urban becomes a monster if he can stay healthy. he showed promise at the end of the season

Edited April 16, 2016 by The Greek

[The Greek]

My gut feeling is the Eagles are going to try and jump ahead of the 49ers and grab Paxton Lynch. If they make the move with the Ravens I can see us maybe getting a 2nd round pick out of it and still pick in the 8th spot. Perhaps the 49ers get worried and swap spots with us to prevent that. Either way we get more picks and still get our player we wanted. Only way I stay put is if Ramsey or Tunsil is still there and then I select him.

to pick up an extra 2nd rd. pick and still be able to draft a LT like stanley would be great. could pkg that 2nd with a non comp 4th and move back into the 1st. to grab a pass rusher or cb

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I'm so happy Cleveland missed out on Wentz and potentially finding a Franchise QB that could compete in the division. They have to feel snubbed if they assumed they had the pick of the litter.

Now that we know a QB is going No.1 and potentially another going before we pick, I have no worries about who we draft, unless its Ramsey. Can people please get off the bandwagon? He doesn't make that many plays, he doesn't have the fluid hips to play corner, and he doesn't play a high impact position. Karl Joseph in the 2nd Round would be better value and will out play Ramsey over his career. Bosa and Jack are the guys we really need. Jack's versatility is unheard of and Bosa is a high motor play wrecker. He is Suggs 2.0. All you haters need to let it go because he will be dominant. If we land Tunsil we end up with the top player of the 2016 class according to all of the analysts. This is a win win situation. DO NOT TRADE BACK!

I'm not a hater, I just simply don't think Bosa is all that good and won't be as much of a "play wrecker" as he was in college. I am willing to go out on a limb and say he won't be as good as people around here think. If the Ravens draft him I of course hope he turns into a beast for us, but I would be happier if they pass on him. I don't believe the hype and think his negatives are strong enough concerns to outweigh some of his positives.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Sounds like a good predicament to be in to me.

I think we're in a great spot. We've got a great chance of an awesome player falling to us or perhaps some QB starved team will make us a deal we can't refuse to get ahead of SF to draft the second QB if Cleveland doesn't take one at #2.

The Ravens are really gonna have to be blown away by a trade. I highly doubt they will trade back because they haven't had a top 10 pick in a long time and I am sure they're hoping they won't have another one for a long time to come.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  38 minutes ago, surfdude said:

What about trading up with the Chargers ? I mean I think either Ramsey or Tunsil are game changers. I would love to have either. Sounds like the Browns might trade and move down. Bad reports are coming out about Jack and his knee that could screw things up and that's why I think the Ravens going for it with a trade up to take either Ramsey or Tunsil would work.

have to give up too much just to move up 3 spots. they would want a 2nd and maybe a 4th and we need our 1-3 rd picks badly to infuse youth into the defense. suggs and doom are 34 and 33 this season and all we have in pass rushing youth is z.smith. maybe brent urban becomes a monster if he can stay healthy. he showed promise at the end of the season

Don't count out Lawrence Guy. I think he's one of our better front line guys and just was under the radar since we gnabbed him from San Diego. I like Urban's potential but the guy has to stay healthy. We also need to see a bit more from Carl Davis this year. I have a feeling Dwight Freeney is coming to town to be a situational pass rusher...depending on what we can do in the draft.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

This is a no brainer. You take the LT if he is there, period. Your quarterback is where your money it. If you don't protect his blind side, you are dead no matter how many defensive ends you have. If Flacco is left with that awful Monroe there, he is going to get creamed and the Ravens will go down with him.

If Tunsil is there I agree with you, but I don't take Stanley with the #6 pick.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  3 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

Bosa's lack of production his last year is troubling to me. I hope we trade back to upper mid first round and get Spence plus 2nd and 3rd round picks if Jack or Tunsil are gone. Use our acquired 3rd round pick to get Kolby Listenbee. I'll keep saying this until we do it. Otherwise we will be victimized by Listenbee because he won't make it past NE third round comp pick they got for Revis.

i like listenbee as well. not sure he is worth a 3rd but i would definitely use one of our 4 4th rd picks on him. he could be the next edelman or welker

I like the potential of Moritz Boehringer, the German guy. I know the competition he played against wasn't quite as high as our top college level, but the guy is 6'4'' 223lbs and put up great combine numbers. Not sure where people think he grades out as a talent, but I would take a late round flier on him easy. You can't teach size or speed.

[robbie29]

Well, if the Ravens can't manage to pickup some elite talent in this draft, AND they lay an egg with another losing season this year, I can see some shakeups and firings in the FO. Don't know who exactly, but I could definitely see that coming. The Ravens got some absolute HOF beasts their first 10 years and more importantly- were able to extend them past the first 4 years of their rookie contract. It's kinda heartbreaking when Baltimore drafts & develops guys like Art Jones, K.O., McPhee, and Torrey Smith and then they're gone after 4 years. Then the Ravens are pretty much forced to sign aging vets in order to fill the void. But what's more disturbing is that no longer is a first round pick (or 2nd round) an all-but-guaranteed stellar player. Mosley is the obvious exception but the talent picked up over the last 8 years of drafts are like night & day when you compare them to the talent drafted 1996-2004. Oh well, here's hoping for a draft reminiscent of the Ravens' first, 20 years ago...

[ellicottraven]

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

  5 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

Bosa's lack of production his last year is troubling to me. I hope we trade back to upper mid first round and get Spence plus 2nd and 3rd round picks if Jack or Tunsil are gone. Use our acquired 3rd round pick to get Kolby Listenbee. I'll keep saying this until we do it. Otherwise we will be victimized by Listenbee because he won't make it past NE third round comp pick they got for Revis.

i like listenbee as well. not sure he is worth a 3rd but i would definitely use one of our 4 4th rd picks on him. he could be the next edelman or welker

I like the potential of Moritz Boehringer, the German guy. I know the competition he played against wasn't quite as high as our top college level, but the guy is 6'4'' 223lbs and put up great combine numbers. Not sure where people think he grades out as a talent, but I would take a late round flier on him easy. You can't teach size or speed.

We have 4 6' 5" receivers on our team already. Marlon Brown, Daniel Brown, Darren Waller and a fourth one I can't remember Chris somebody who played for Seattle in the SB. Why would you need a 5th from a small school? Doesn't make sense for us.

[ellicottraven]

I have a strong sense that one of these 3 will be our pick: Tunsil, Buckner or Bosa. I don't believe Ramsey will fall to us because he'll be taken by San Diego. Dallas will take either Bosa or Jack, Jacksonville, will take one of Buckner, Jack or Tunsil (they are going to the west coast today to have another meet and greet with Jack it is reported), and we'll be left with at least 2 of the 3 names mentioned to choose from.

[law215]

I don't like Jack as one of those option cause the Ravens can not risk taking a first round pick on a guy with a knee injury concerns when they already have a first round ILB in Mosley. You can criticize his ability to cover, but that's most ILB in the league. Replace Jack with Stanley. Stanley has flaws but they can be corrected with coaching and time in the weight room. Ramsey, Tunsil, Buckner, Bosa, Stanley give the Ravens the best chance at a 10 yr starter that can be a pro bowl player. Three questions the Ravens must address by the end of the draft are: did they get a play-maker in the secondary, did they improve the ability to rush the passer, did they solidify the o-line for Joe, did they get a playmaker on offense (which they added in Wallace and Watson but you would like youth there). I would say Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa, Buckner, Stanley.

[Purple Dawg 96]

No pressure at all the #1 pick in the draft should be a CB! Period! All other positions the Ravens will be simply "Padding their pockets"! This team is set to go "Back to Back"!

[FloridalovesRavens]

Well, if the Ravens can't manage to pickup some elite talent in this draft, AND they lay an egg with another losing season this year, I can see some shakeups and firings in the FO. Don't know who exactly, but I could definitely see that coming. The Ravens got some absolute HOF beasts their first 10 years and more importantly- were able to extend them past the first 4 years of their rookie contract. It's kinda heartbreaking when Baltimore drafts & develops guys like Art Jones, K.O., McPhee, and Torrey Smith and then they're gone after 4 years. Then the Ravens are pretty much forced to sign aging vets in order to fill the void. But what's more disturbing is that no longer is a first round pick (or 2nd round) an all-but-guaranteed stellar player. Mosley is the obvious exception but the talent picked up over the last 8 years of drafts are like night & day when you compare them to the talent drafted 1996-2004. Oh well, here's hoping for a draft reminiscent of the Ravens' first, 20 years ago...

We did get Flacco. That was pretty significant imo. We have had two bad seasons in the last eight. I'll take that any day. I'm sure the Ravens will select the best they can get at six. I trust in Oz.

[billiejean]

5 hours ago, Fastynart said:

This is a no brainer. You take the LT if he is there, period. Your quarterback is where your money it. If you don't protect his blind side, you are dead no matter how many defensive ends you have. If Flacco is left with that awful Monroe there, he is going to get creamed and the Ravens will go down with him.

fastynart you seem to trash Monroe on a pretty regular basis. I mean i get it, the guy is hurt a lot. But if you knew what you were looking at and knew anything about playing left tackles you would realize that Monroe is a top 10-15 tackle in this league when he is playing. So go for it question his dedication to the game or his toughness but realize that he is a decent left tackle when he is playing. If you can't see that I would be happy to teach you about the position.

Edited April 16, 2016 by billiejean

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  6 hours ago, Fastynart said:

This is a no brainer. You take the LT if he is there, period. Your quarterback is where your money it. If you don't protect his blind side, you are dead no matter how many defensive ends you have. If Flacco is left with that awful Monroe there, he is going to get creamed and the Ravens will go down with him.

fastynart you seem to trash Monroe on a pretty regular basis. I mean i get it, the guy is hurt a lot. But if you knew what you were looking at and knew anything about playing left tackles you would realize that Monroe is a top 10-15 tackle in this league when he is playing. So go for it question his dedication to the game or his toughness but realize that he is a decent left tackle when he is playing. If you can't see that I would be happy to teach you about the position.

There are 32 teams in the NFL so saying a player is around the top 15 is pretty much saying he's an average player because 16 would be right in the middle. That being said I think that is what a healthy Monroe is. He's solid but not spectacular and he's good enough to protect Joe for another year or maybe two until we find a replacement.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  5 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

  6 hours ago, The Greek said:

  9 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

Bosa's lack of production his last year is troubling to me. I hope we trade back to upper mid first round and get Spence plus 2nd and 3rd round picks if Jack or Tunsil are gone. Use our acquired 3rd round pick to get Kolby Listenbee. I'll keep saying this until we do it. Otherwise we will be victimized by Listenbee because he won't make it past NE third round comp pick they got for Revis.

i like listenbee as well. not sure he is worth a 3rd but i would definitely use one of our 4 4th rd picks on him. he could be the next edelman or welker

I like the potential of Moritz Boehringer, the German guy. I know the competition he played against wasn't quite as high as our top college level, but the guy is 6'4'' 223lbs and put up great combine numbers. Not sure where people think he grades out as a talent, but I would take a late round flier on him easy. You can't teach size or speed.

We have 4 6' 5" receivers on our team already. Marlon Brown, Daniel Brown, Darren Waller and a fourth one I can't remember Chris somebody who played for Seattle in the SB. Why would you need a 5th from a small school? Doesn't make sense for us.

Marlon Brown hasn't done a thing except be hurt since his rookie season. Daniel Brown had some big plays but he's hardly proven, Darren Waller is moving to TE, and that other guy is Chris Matthews who hasn't done anything since the Super Bowl. Boehringer isn't coming from a small school, he's coming from the German Pro League. And if you compare his physical traits (speed, agility, etc.) I think he's a much better athlete other than Waller, but he's also faster than Waller I think. All of these guys were late round picks, most of them signing tenders which means you can cut them without much or any impact to your cap space. So yeah, you get a guy with that size with that athletic ability and if he can catch a football at all, it makes perfect sense.