Would you trade up?

[Ravenmaniac5]

If Jack, Tunsil, or Ramsey is available at 4 do you trade with Dallas? The Ravens would have to give up a 3rd or bundle together a couple mid round picks like a couple 4th round picks. I definitely think the Ravens should

[ALI624]

Yes if it goes QB, QB, Tunsil then I would trade up for Ramsey if the Cowboys are more interested in Bosa or Elliott. More than likely if SD pass on Tunsil he falls to us.

[RaineV1]

A 3rd round pick would be the minimal price to trade up. They could even try to to demand a 2nd round pick.

[FastEddie]

Yes. Ramsey is the perfect fit for our defense.

 

[Ravenmaniac5]

8 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

A 3rd round pick would be the minimal price to trade up. They could even try to to demand a 2nd round pick.

I'm going off the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart. I think the asking price wouldn't be too bad especially since there are quite a few elite defensive prospects and 1 will be guarenteed at 6. But if they do demand a 2nd because they're Dallas then I would definitely not do it 

[TurkishRaven]

No. Maybe trade up in second or third  round but I don't think we need to trade up from #6

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd rather stay put for whoever falls between Jack Ramsey and tunsil. If none fall to us then I think we should try to work out a deal with Tennessee for a 2nd. We could land Kevin dodd who I think will go down as the best edge defender in this draft, then we could legitimately have a chance to land some combination of spriggs, alexander, whitehair, fuller, or possibly a Chris Jones if we wanna address cantys departure.

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd rather stay put for whoever falls between Jack Ramsey and tunsil. If none fall to us then I think we should try to work out a deal with Tennessee for a 2nd. We could land Kevin dodd who I think will go down as the best edge defender in this draft, then we could legitimately have a chance to land some combination of spriggs, alexander, whitehair, fuller, or possibly a Chris Jones if we wanna address cantys departure.

I agree with all this.  Couldnt be done better imo.  Moving up to get Ramsey would cost us an early pick that could easily be another playmaker. 

[Winchester]

Not a fan of Ramsey. He shows very little  splash plays

[allblackraven]

47 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd rather stay put for whoever falls between Jack Ramsey and tunsil. If none fall to us then I think we should try to work out a deal with Tennessee for a 2nd. We could land Kevin dodd who I think will go down as the best edge defender in this draft, then we could legitimately have a chance to land some combination of spriggs, alexander, whitehair, fuller, or possibly a Chris Jones if we wanna address cantys departure.

I see the draft going

1. Goff
2. Wentz
3. Tunsil
4. Ramsey
5. Bosa

So, that would leave us with Jack, VH3 and, according to lot of mocks, Buckner as top of the board. Considering this, I could understand moving up for Ramsey or Bosa, the cost permitting. Assumption here is that VH3 and Buckner aren't really 6th pick worthy and that medical on Jack isn't 100% clear, which brings back option to trade back as the better one. In other words we're back at square 1 and can again start arguing about what's best. #boardreset

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

I see the draft going

1. Goff
2. Wentz
3. Tunsil
4. Ramsey
5. Bosa

So, that would leave us with Jack, VH3 and, according to lot of mocks, Buckner as top of the board. Considering this, I could understand moving up for Ramsey or Bosa, the cost permitting. Assumption here is that VH3 and Buckner aren't really 6th pick worthy and that medical on Jack isn't 100% clear, which brings back option to trade back as the better one. In other words we're back at square 1 and can again start arguing about what's best. #boardreset

Jack has me really curious now after the medical check today.  It's impossible for us to know if we were one of the teams okay with it or not.  I mean, he could end up not being an option at 6 come draft time, even if he is available.

[Ravenmaniac5]

51 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'd rather stay put for whoever falls between Jack Ramsey and tunsil. If none fall to us then I think we should try to work out a deal with Tennessee for a 2nd. We could land Kevin dodd who I think will go down as the best edge defender in this draft, then we could legitimately have a chance to land some combination of spriggs, alexander, whitehair, fuller, or possibly a Chris Jones if we wanna address cantys departure.

I would love this. Plus we can trade back into the first for a 2nd and 3rd. And we'd still have a 2nd round pick. I'd love to see a pass rusher, then trade back into the first with the Bengals in order to jump ahead of the Steelers and grab a corner

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Jack has me really curious now after the medical check today.  It's impossible for us to know if we were one of the teams okay with it or not.  I mean, he could end up not being an option at 6 come draft time, even if he is available.

Yep. On the other hand, it could be on the request of the team who wants him top 5 - maybe they see enough progress and time to get to 100% without rushing too much. There's still 4 and half months until the season starts.

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, Ravenmaniac5 said:

I would love this. Plus we can trade back into the first for a 2nd and 3rd. And we'd still have a 2nd round pick. I'd love to see a pass rusher, then trade back into the first with the Bengals in order to jump ahead of the Steelers and grab a corner

I would only do that if we were able to move back and still land vh3(unlikely) and then trade back into the first for spence, lawson, or dodd if they're falling. I wouldn't trade up for any of the first round corners unless vh3 inexplicably fell. 

 

I would trade up into the first for any of these guys if they were falling: conklin, spriggs, spence, dodd, lawson, rankins, treadwell, and I think that's about it.. All guys who legitimately could end up in the late 20s and would have us blowing up phones most likely.

[Mad Puppy]

NO

I think people just want to see movement. Kind of a side effect of the long wait. Stay where we are, draft a Blue-chipper, and save those 3rd and 4th rounders for Ozzie, he does his best there anyway.

 

[thieverycorporation]

Trading up in the first is fools gold. We need all the picks we can get that will pan out. The draft is about to be manipulated by the top teams with draft picks a plenty. I'd aline my choices with the front runners as far as picks. Love them or leave them in the early stages will ring paramount and true. If we like Shepard we'd better go get him. Waiting for scraps in this draft will prove disastrous. Believe me. Handwritting is on the wall. 

[Davesta]

I just don't see the big difference in impact to warrant a trade up for Ramsey instead of staying put for a bosa or jack. All 3 would be great for our team, can you say one will be that much greater than the other for u to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick?  

[Winchester]

With both qbs likely going 1 and 2 Paxton Lynch will be drafted top10. Ravens could yet get a trade back deal and pick up an extra round2 pick. I'm not a fan of Ramsey. I do not like the fact that excuses are made for not making splash plays. 

[pcrash5]

no way Lynch gets taken that early IMO, I feel as though hes going to go end of first/2nd round at best

Edited April 16, 2016 by pcrash5

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

Not a fan of Ramsey. He shows very little  splash plays

What is your definition of a splash play?

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I agree with all this.  Couldnt be done better imo.  Moving up to get Ramsey would cost us an early pick that could easily be another playmaker. 

If for some reason Dallas moves Bosa and two QBs go, then we are 100% guaranteed to get one of the top three ranked prospects. WINNING!

[RavensDieHard21]

I would stay put no matter what if two QBs come off the board. Having Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey or Jack is absolutely a dream come true and gives us confidence rolling into rd 2 that luck is coming our way again

[Cville-Raven]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Not a fan of Ramsey. He shows very little  splash plays

 

[JoeKnows]

10 hours ago, Winchester said:

Not a fan of Ramsey. He shows very little  splash plays

[ALPHA]

The learning curve for a DB is huge, if we trade a kings ransom for Ramsey you'd have to guarantee that he won't bust and nobody can guarantee that. The only situation where I think a trade up is necessary is if we are looking for a franchize QB.

[Tru11]

no dont see any worth in it.

[JoeyFlex5]

As much as I tend to emphatically disagree with winchester, and as much as a like ramsey, he is right about the splash plays. With his athleticism and size he should have a lot more picks, and make a lot more plays in coverage. He is very much a pick based on projection rather than immediate production. 

 

But to reiterate, still love ramsey.

[Maryland]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

As much as I tend to emphatically disagree with winchester, and as much as a like ramsey, he is right about the splash plays. With his athleticism and size he should have a lot more picks, and make a lot more plays in coverage. He is very much a pick based on projection rather than immediate production. 

But to reiterate, still love ramsey.

He didn't make the splash plays last year playing CB though. As a safety in the years prior, he was getting INTs and forcing fumbles. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

He didn't make the splash plays last year playing CB though. As a safety in the years prior, he was getting INTs and forcing fumbles. 

He had 3 ints in 2 years and I believe 2 forced fumbles but I could be wrong there

On the other hand, sua cravens tripled ramseys int output in a far less coverage based role and also applied pressure as a legit occasional pass rusher, not just a blizting db. Just using cravens as a point of reference talking about turnovers and splash plays. Hell, darian thompson runs a 4.7 and blows ramseys splash play numbers out of the water. 

 

Now I know college production does not equal NFL prpduction and I'm not saying id take either over Ramsey even though I really like cravens, but you really would like to see more impact plays from a safety that could have been the first db drafted first overall in the history of the draft.

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He had 3 ints in 2 years and I believe 2 forced fumbles but I could be wrong there

On the other hand, sua cravens tripled ramseys int output in a far less coverage based role and also applied pressure as a legit occasional pass rusher, not just a blizting db. Just using cravens as a point of reference talking about turnovers and splash plays. Hell, darian thompson runs a 4.7 and blows ramseys splash play numbers out of the water. 

 

Now I know college production does not equal NFL prpduction and I'm not saying id take either over Ramsey even though I really like cravens, but you really would like to see more impact plays from a safety that could have been the first db drafted first overall in the history of the draft.

I think  there is better value getting Cravens later on than trading up for Ramsey.  I think Cravens is my new man crush for this draft