[News] How Rams' Trade For No. 1 Pick Helps Ravens' Draft

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Another thing to take into consideration, don't rule out the Cowboys taking Elliot with their 4th.  

I don't see it happening. Him going to Philly makes all the sense in the world.

I think Dallas' interest in him isn't real at #4, just like QB.

[jravens1313]

  22 minutes ago, WNC-Raven said:

Ok, so I don't follow college football so could the board please enlighten me as to who is actually deserving of our #6? All the I keep hearing about Bosa is that he has a high motor. Does he also possess run stuffing and coverage skills like Suggs or he he a one trick pony? Can he play 3 downs? I also hear that Buckner is a faster version of Ngata. Is he really that much of a force? A one man wrecking crew? Tunsil seems to be a lock as a starter. Is he ready? Sounds like Jack has not played that much and missed last season. Is he more potential than substance? Ramsey is all people talk about but I've read that Hargraves is a better CB if we want to go that direction. Hargraves apparently couldn't handle elite receivers. That's mostly what the NFL has so is this an issue?

As is with every draft, there's so such thing as a "sure thing". Every player we will take or consider taking has pros and cons.

In my opinion, the "hierarchy" of who we would want would probably rank like this:

1. Tunsil

2. Ramsey

3. Bosa

4. Jack

5. Hargreaves

6. Buckner

I'm not as convinced as many others that Buckner is a serious consideration for us at #6. Most people (myself included) also think that Tunsil and Ramsey will be selected before we pick. My focus is on #s 3-5 above. That's where I would lean currently.

I would rather have Bosa, Jack or Buckner over Ramsey anyways.

[The Greek]

rams learned nothing from the redskins by trading so many picks for 1 player. not a smart move

[757RavensFan]

I do wonder why trades likes this (and Rams/Redskins) are not announced until the day before or the day of the draft?  

[ryananth]

Buckner will not be drafted by the Ravens. He's a mid-first round talent. He will be absolutely treated like a rag doll by NFL O-linemen until he gets stronger and learns to get lower leverage. He is a project who could be great but has too many things to work on to merit the 6th pick. Assuming 2 QBs taken already Ravens will have choice between Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa or Jack. I'd be thrilled with any of those.

[ryananth]

rams learned nothing from the redskins by trading so many picks for 1 player. not a smart move

I somewhat agree but you have admire that they've identified a guy they like and they are making a move for him. They pretty much have everything but a quality QB so good on them for taking a stab. They're essentially just giving back what the Redskins gave them for RGIII.

[RavensDieHard21]

Buckner will not be drafted by the Ravens. He's a mid-first round talent. He will be absolutely treated like a rag doll by NFL O-linemen until he gets stronger and learns to get lower leverage. He is a project who could be great but has too many things to work on to merit the 6th pick. Assuming 2 QBs taken already Ravens will have choice between Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa or Jack. I'd be thrilled with any of those.

Amen lol Those are the four I want and you can rest assure that one will be a Raven

[stixfix69]

Oz is in the office doing the math, thinking if the Titans got all that for the first pick, what could we demand if someone wanted ours....:)

[eze17]

  49 minutes ago, n#7 said:

Bosa or Buckner. The D/LB core is getting long in the tooth and must be replaced in short order. Elvis/Terrell may have one good season left......may have!

Issue I have with this...

1. I don't believe that we are really even that interested in Buckner. 

2. Buckner isn't a pure pass rusher and definitely wouldn't be playing OLB, so he wouldn't be a replacement for Doom/Suggs.

Bosa is the only one that has the potential to fit that mold.

My money is still on our pick at 6 (if we stay there) being either Bosa, Jack, or Hargreaves.

I tend to agree that the Raven's have not shown much interest in Buckner(though that could be a smokescreen).
My best guess prediction would be two QB'S going 1-2, SD-Tunsil, DAL-Buckner/ Bosa, JAX-Ramsey...which would leave us with our choice of Jack, Hargreaves and whichever D-lineman DAL doesn't take...not bad options. Even if only 1 QB goes I think we stay at #6 and take Jack or Hargreaves. Even Eliott would not be uber-surprising, but doubtful...the only pick I don't root for would be Stanley, who I personally think is a reach at #6.

[stixfix69]

My pick would be Jack, with Z.Smith, and Brenner we have some kind of options at outside pass rusher, but at ILBer we have C.J, ....no one special to step in next to C.J, and Jack's covering ability is huge....jmo....

[RavensDieHard21]

This development actually hurts the Ravens draft outlook in my opinion. We were poised to have far more flexibility if one of the top two QBs had slid to our spot at #6. I think in either scenario Tunsil, Ramsay and Jack will be gone and we will most likely still be choosing between Buckner and Bosa, neither of which I am crazy about having a huge impact on our team right away.
If your looking at Buckner or Bosa it wouldn't have been a big deal for us to move from #6 to #15 really. Just imagine if Goff or Wentz was still there at #6 what the Rams would have given us. I think we could have moved to #15 and picked up at least the Rams #2 and #3 this year, probably not the 2017 picks they gave the Titans. Shame.

I mean obviously there was potential there, but if the Rams were in fact interested in 6, then we would have had a deal. Most likely they know who they want, probably Wentz and they didn't want Cleveland to get him. the chances of us selecting Buckner are the slimmest out of all the top prospects and I get his knocks at going 6th. But Bosa on the other hand, you're completely wrong. He would have a major impact right away as he can set the edge at an elite level, provides toughness and durability, can help keep Suggs and Dumervil fresh, and he has a high revving motor that can be utilized on the field at the same time as Suggs, Dumervil, and Jernigan, in obvious passing downs..

[EdTheMythicalOne]

My pick would be Jack, with Z.Smith, and Brenner we have some kind of options at outside pass rusher, but at ILBer we have C.J, ....no one special to step in next to C.J, and Jack's covering ability is huge....jmo....

I'd be with that pick ONLY if the Ravens are convinced that knee is 100%. I don't want a Clowney pick.

[billiejean]

  40 minutes ago, The Greek said:

rams learned nothing from the redskins by trading so many picks for 1 player. not a smart move

I somewhat agree but you have admire that they've identified a guy they like and they are making a move for him. They pretty much have everything but a quality QB so good on them for taking a stab. They're essentially just giving back what the Redskins gave them for RGIII.

This move is even riskier than the Skins moving up to take RG3. If there was a sure thing in this draft (A Luck, P Manning) then yea this would be a good move. But there just isn't that guy in this draft. Going all in on guy from the FCS is anything but a sure bet.

[RavensDieHard21]

Ok, so I don't follow college football so could the board please enlighten me as to who is actually deserving of our #6? All the I keep hearing about Bosa is that he has a high motor. Does he also possess run stuffing and coverage skills like Suggs or he he a one trick pony? Can he play 3 downs? I also hear that Buckner is a faster version of Ngata. Is he really that much of a force? A one man wrecking crew? Tunsil seems to be a lock as a starter. Is he ready? Sounds like Jack has not played that much and missed last season. Is he more potential than substance? Ramsey is all people talk about but I've read that Hargraves is a better CB if we want to go that direction. Hargraves apparently couldn't handle elite receivers. That's mostly what the NFL has so is this an issue?

Alright my child, get ready for enlightenment,

Tunsil obviously is the best prospect and looks to be the best LT coming out since Tyron Smith, but more highly regarded coming out. He is more than ready and he held his own in the SEC against highly touted pass rushers. He literally only gave up 2 sacks in 29 career starts and his nickname is the eraser. C'mon, pretty awesome. He also showed improvement in run blocking and I foresee with his work ethic that he will be elite in that category soon enough.

Bosa is as good as advertised. His sack production dipped this year, but his impact didn't according to PFF. He is an elite defender that can set the edge and stonewall the run game. He might not have the explosiveness of a Von Miller Or Mack, but he has all of the other traits that translate to big success in the NFL, which are great hand abilities to disengage blockers, natural lean to obtain constant leverage, high motor so that he can gas out lineman, and instincts that allow him to outsmart his opponents and find ways into the back field.

Jack when healthy could do it all even though he was slightly lighter than most pro teams would like, but he has since bulked up a little. He is designed to be a elite coverage ILB that can also show flashes in the run game and arrive with surprising pop and wrapping up abilities. His IQ is off the charts as well and he anticipates plays often. Very high ceiling, but worst case is he either becomes a tremendous safety or is designated as a coverage ILB that allows Mosley to play to his strengths as a run defender and blitzer.

Ramsey v. Hargreaves is the most interesting as coming out VH3 is obviously a much more polished CB and has sick ball skills and anticipation to cause turnovers at the next level. He had a few bad games, such as against Alabama, but he has also held his own against other great talents, such as Treadwell. All corners have off days against elite or very good WRs, just look at Chris Harris v. AB, Sherman v. Hilton, Norman v. Julio, etc. Hargreaves high at times might cost him, but his technique and smarts will keep him from ever being a liability, especially since both of our safeties have great coverage abilities to back him up if teams wanted to go over the top often, but even still, Hargreaves has great anticipation that allows him to contest those catches. Ramsey is a converted Safety to CB, but is similar to Patrick Peterson in so many ways. His All-American athleticism keeps him in almost every play and combined with his instincts, he always finds a way to be around the ball. His versatility could present absolute nightmares for coordinators if he doesn't pan out as a strict CB, but with experience and coaching of his technique, Ramsey has the highest ceiling of almost any prospect. I think Hargreaves is deserving of #6 because he will be good, but Ramsey is worth the slight gamble as the best outcome is he joins the elite corner category and our secondary becomes our strength, or he becomes a hybrid that allows Pees to get extra creative and cause confusion at the line, especially since Ramsey is a very good tackler at the line and can also blitz the QB better than any DB in this class.

Okay so hopefully you are a little bit more optimistic like the rest of us now!

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  1 hour ago, napaman said:

This development actually hurts the Ravens draft outlook in my opinion. We were poised to have far more flexibility if one of the top two QBs had slid to our spot at #6. I think in either scenario Tunsil, Ramsay and Jack will be gone and we will most likely still be choosing between Buckner and Bosa, neither of which I am crazy about having a huge impact on our team right away.
If your looking at Buckner or Bosa it wouldn't have been a big deal for us to move from #6 to #15 really. Just imagine if Goff or Wentz was still there at #6 what the Rams would have given us. I think we could have moved to #15 and picked up at least the Rams #2 and #3 this year, probably not the 2017 picks they gave the Titans. Shame.

I mean obviously there was potential there, but if the Rams were in fact interested in 6, then we would have had a deal. Most likely they know who they want, probably Wentz and they didn't want Cleveland to get him. the chances of us selecting Buckner are the slimmest out of all the top prospects and I get his knocks at going 6th. But Bosa on the other hand, you're completely wrong. He would have a major impact right away as he can set the edge at an elite level, provides toughness and durability, can help keep Suggs and Dumervil fresh, and he has a high revving motor that can be utilized on the field at the same time as Suggs, Dumervil, and Jernigan, in obvious passing downs..

You've got no idea if Bosa can do anything at an elite level in the NFL. People just assume he can drop into coverage, but if you read reports on him it says he actually struggles in that department and he's got a hitch in his get along when he tries to change directions, which is exactly what you do in coverage.

I don't know that if I am picking a top 10 pick that I want it to be a guy I have to put into schemes and manipulate my entire defense in order for it to benefit him. I want a guy that can already come into my system and be a 3 down player.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

There is a chance that Tunsil could drop to us at #6 now and if that happens I am all for that pick. I wouldn't be thrilled about taking Stanley with that pick though.

[billiejean]

34 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

My pick would be Jack, with Z.Smith, and Brenner we have some kind of options at outside pass rusher, but at ILBer we have C.J, ....no one special to step in next to C.J, and Jack's covering ability is huge....jmo....

I think you meant Brennen Beyer? Maybe? Predicting that a guy who has only played on the practice squad will be a contributor is going a bit overboard. I doubt he makes the team. But even if he did it would be as a special teams guy. He is really slow and pass rushing is really not his thing. 

Edited April 14, 2016 by billiejean

[stixfix69]

  31 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

My pick would be Jack, with Z.Smith, and Brenner we have some kind of options at outside pass rusher, but at ILBer we have C.J, ....no one special to step in next to C.J, and Jack's covering ability is huge....jmo....

I'd be with that pick ONLY if the Ravens are convinced that knee is 100%. I don't want a Clowney pick.

The big thing for me at his pro day is he was able to do all the agility test, which included the cone drill were you put so much torque on your knees....The 40 i'm not pressed about as it is running in a straight line....The drills that require quick cuts is what i wanted to see him do without any after effects...

[ravens4life86]

This helps ...expect QBs to go 1,2..
And hooefully Ramsey,Jack,Bosa to the Ravens. Tunsil he can go 3 to chargers and there Oline woes...

[jdynamite]

1 hour ago, jravens1313 said:

Wentz could be better than both of them.

Which them? The first two or the latter?    

I've commented on so many different forums and sites I had to check what I said lol.  

My feelings on Wentz and Goff are basically how the draft process elevates QBs to justify bad teams drafting a potential "franchise QB". Before the senior bowl, I had only heard of Wentz twice ( all year ) and that was Mel Kiper listing him as top 5 senior QB with late 2nd , early third round grade ( wasn't seeing him on any mock drafts back in October-January ). During the season Paxton lynch was the talk of the town because no one was ever truly into Goff for whatever reason.  

Now fast forward, senior bowl and combine completed and all these evaluators suddenly find him to be a great pick, speak as if he's a can't miss no brainer type pick. 

 

I've always liked the draft process but sometimes it's silly, like a few years ago when Teddy Bridgewater pro day hurt his "stock". 

[budkretz]

  1 hour ago, WNC-Raven said:

Ok, so I don't follow college football so could the board please enlighten me as to who is actually deserving of our #6? All the I keep hearing about Bosa is that he has a high motor. Does he also possess run stuffing and coverage skills like Suggs or he he a one trick pony? Can he play 3 downs? I also hear that Buckner is a faster version of Ngata. Is he really that much of a force? A one man wrecking crew? Tunsil seems to be a lock as a starter. Is he ready? Sounds like Jack has not played that much and missed last season. Is he more potential than substance? Ramsey is all people talk about but I've read that Hargraves is a better CB if we want to go that direction. Hargraves apparently couldn't handle elite receivers. That's mostly what the NFL has so is this an issue?

Alright my child, get ready for enlightenment,

Tunsil obviously is the best prospect and looks to be the best LT coming out since Tyron Smith, but more highly regarded coming out. He is more than ready and he held his own in the SEC against highly touted pass rushers. He literally only gave up 2 sacks in 29 career starts and his nickname is the eraser. C'mon, pretty awesome. He also showed improvement in run blocking and I foresee with his work ethic that he will be elite in that category soon enough.

Bosa is as good as advertised. His sack production dipped this year, but his impact didn't according to PFF. He is an elite defender that can set the edge and stonewall the run game. He might not have the explosiveness of a Von Miller Or Mack, but he has all of the other traits that translate to big success in the NFL, which are great hand abilities to disengage blockers, natural lean to obtain constant leverage, high motor so that he can gas out lineman, and instincts that allow him to outsmart his opponents and find ways into the back field.

Jack when healthy could do it all even though he was slightly lighter than most pro teams would like, but he has since bulked up a little. He is designed to be a elite coverage ILB that can also show flashes in the run game and arrive with surprising pop and wrapping up abilities. His IQ is off the charts as well and he anticipates plays often. Very high ceiling, but worst case is he either becomes a tremendous safety or is designated as a coverage ILB that allows Mosley to play to his strengths as a run defender and blitzer.

Ramsey v. Hargreaves is the most interesting as coming out VH3 is obviously a much more polished CB and has sick ball skills and anticipation to cause turnovers at the next level. He had a few bad games, such as against Alabama, but he has also held his own against other great talents, such as Treadwell. All corners have off days against elite or very good WRs, just look at Chris Harris v. AB, Sherman v. Hilton, Norman v. Julio, etc. Hargreaves high at times might cost him, but his technique and smarts will keep him from ever being a liability, especially since both of our safeties have great coverage abilities to back him up if teams wanted to go over the top often, but even still, Hargreaves has great anticipation that allows him to contest those catches. Ramsey is a converted Safety to CB, but is similar to Patrick Peterson in so many ways. His All-American athleticism keeps him in almost every play and combined with his instincts, he always finds a way to be around the ball. His versatility could present absolute nightmares for coordinators if he doesn't pan out as a strict CB, but with experience and coaching of his technique, Ramsey has the highest ceiling of almost any prospect. I think Hargreaves is deserving of #6 because he will be good, but Ramsey is worth the slight gamble as the best outcome is he joins the elite corner category and our secondary becomes our strength, or he becomes a hybrid that allows Pees to get extra creative and cause confusion at the line, especially since Ramsey is a very good tackler at the line and can also blitz the QB better than any DB in this class.

Okay so hopefully you are a little bit more optimistic like the rest of us now!

With the Rams taking a QB at pick #1 even if Cle doesn't take a QB we get one of the top 5 field players at #6. My preference is: 1. Ramsey
2. Buckner 3. Jack 4. Bosa 5. Tunsil. Any one of these players should be a day 1 starter and pro-bowl bound. From Ramsey to Bosa if they are on the board take them. If Tunsil is the one left at our pick , then I'd consider a trade down. The Giants at #10 might very trade with us -they need an OT. I'd ask for a 2nd and 3rd in addition to pick #10. At that point Hargreaves and the next wave of DE/OLBs are still on the board. and now we have picks #36, #44 #70 and #80. The tough call is do we pass on Tunsil, is he the next JO or will Monroe kick it in gear and give us a good year or next couple of years. The Ravens are in a good position with the #6 pick.

[harfordravenfan]

2 hours ago, stixfix69 said:

Dumbest trade ever....Titans get the their 1st two 2nd rounders and a 3rd, and next years 1st and 2nd round.....Titans should be charged for stealing....Sorry no player in this years draft has that kind of star power to give up so much....

Ouch, that's gonna hurt them for years

[ravensnj]

Hopefully, Cleveland and Dallas won't select a Qb. Leaving the Ravens as the next prime trade candidate, for a Quarterback needy team.

[eze17]

  42 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

  2 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

Ok, so I don't follow college football so could the board please enlighten me as to who is actually deserving of our #6? All the I keep hearing about Bosa is that he has a high motor. Does he also possess run stuffing and coverage skills like Suggs or he he a one trick pony? Can he play 3 downs? I also hear that Buckner is a faster version of Ngata. Is he really that much of a force? A one man wrecking crew? Tunsil seems to be a lock as a starter. Is he ready? Sounds like Jack has not played that much and missed last season. Is he more potential than substance? Ramsey is all people talk about but I've read that Hargraves is a better CB if we want to go that direction. Hargraves apparently couldn't handle elite receivers. That's mostly what the NFL has so is this an issue?

Alright my child, get ready for enlightenment,

Tunsil obviously is the best prospect and looks to be the best LT coming out since Tyron Smith, but more highly regarded coming out. He is more than ready and he held his own in the SEC against highly touted pass rushers. He literally only gave up 2 sacks in 29 career starts and his nickname is the eraser. C'mon, pretty awesome. He also showed improvement in run blocking and I foresee with his work ethic that he will be elite in that category soon enough.

Bosa is as good as advertised. His sack production dipped this year, but his impact didn't according to PFF. He is an elite defender that can set the edge and stonewall the run game. He might not have the explosiveness of a Von Miller Or Mack, but he has all of the other traits that translate to big success in the NFL, which are great hand abilities to disengage blockers, natural lean to obtain constant leverage, high motor so that he can gas out lineman, and instincts that allow him to outsmart his opponents and find ways into the back field.

Jack when healthy could do it all even though he was slightly lighter than most pro teams would like, but he has since bulked up a little. He is designed to be a elite coverage ILB that can also show flashes in the run game and arrive with surprising pop and wrapping up abilities. His IQ is off the charts as well and he anticipates plays often. Very high ceiling, but worst case is he either becomes a tremendous safety or is designated as a coverage ILB that allows Mosley to play to his strengths as a run defender and blitzer.

Ramsey v. Hargreaves is the most interesting as coming out VH3 is obviously a much more polished CB and has sick ball skills and anticipation to cause turnovers at the next level. He had a few bad games, such as against Alabama, but he has also held his own against other great talents, such as Treadwell. All corners have off days against elite or very good WRs, just look at Chris Harris v. AB, Sherman v. Hilton, Norman v. Julio, etc. Hargreaves high at times might cost him, but his technique and smarts will keep him from ever being a liability, especially since both of our safeties have great coverage abilities to back him up if teams wanted to go over the top often, but even still, Hargreaves has great anticipation that allows him to contest those catches. Ramsey is a converted Safety to CB, but is similar to Patrick Peterson in so many ways. His All-American athleticism keeps him in almost every play and combined with his instincts, he always finds a way to be around the ball. His versatility could present absolute nightmares for coordinators if he doesn't pan out as a strict CB, but with experience and coaching of his technique, Ramsey has the highest ceiling of almost any prospect. I think Hargreaves is deserving of #6 because he will be good, but Ramsey is worth the slight gamble as the best outcome is he joins the elite corner category and our secondary becomes our strength, or he becomes a hybrid that allows Pees to get extra creative and cause confusion at the line, especially since Ramsey is a very good tackler at the line and can also blitz the QB better than any DB in this class.

Okay so hopefully you are a little bit more optimistic like the rest of us now!

With the Rams taking a QB at pick #1 even if Cle doesn't take a QB we get one of the top 5 field players at #6. My preference is: 1. Ramsey
2. Buckner 3. Jack 4. Bosa 5. Tunsil. Any one of these players should be a day 1 starter and pro-bowl bound. From Ramsey to Bosa if they are on the board take them. If Tunsil is the one left at our pick , then I'd consider a trade down. The Giants at #10 might very trade with us -they need an OT. I'd ask for a 2nd and 3rd in addition to pick #10. At that point Hargreaves and the next wave of DE/OLBs are still on the board. and now we have picks #36, #44 #70 and #80. The tough call is do we pass on Tunsil, is he the next JO or will Monroe kick it in gear and give us a good year or next couple of years. The Ravens are in a good position with the #6 pick.

There is no way we'd pass on Tunsil at #6, much less trade back so someone else could take him...basically you'd be giving up what could be the best LT prospect in years for a 2nd & 3rd round pick? Ozzie and co. are not that crazy...

[ravensnj]

My hunch: Rams- Wentz / Browns: Goff / Chargers: Tunsil / Dallas: Elliot / Jags: Jack / Ravens: Ramsey

[fusuymada]

It means absolutely nothing because the 2 best qb's were already coming off the board with Cleveland and Dallas. Now it just means that the Rams stiffed the Cowboys by taking their QB, so instead of taking a QB with the fourth pick, the Cowboys will now take a defensive pick based on who San Diego takes. Now if there was a third QB of any value out there then that would have really been great for Baltimore meaning that the Rams, the Browns and the Cowboys all would have gotten QB's and we would have had a "better" choice. But as it stands, we are still in the same boat, there are 5 teams in front of us and 2 are taking QB's, which is no different than yesterday when there were 5 teams in front of us and 2 were taking QB's.

Edited April 14, 2016 by fusuymada
update

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

It means absolutely nothing because the 2 best qb's were already coming off the board with Cleveland and Dallas. Now it just means that the Rams stiffed the Cowboys by taking their QB, so instead of taking a QB with the fourth pick, the Cowboys will now take a defensive pick based on who San Diego takes. Now if there was a third QB of any value out there then that would have really been great for Baltimore meaning that the Rams, the Browns and the Cowboys all would have gotten QB's and we would have had a "better" choice. But as it stands, we are still in the same boat, there are 5 teams in front of us and 2 are taking QB's, which is no different than yesterday when there were 5 teams in front of us and 2 were taking QB's.

No reasonable person thinks or thought Dallas was taking a QB at #4. Just doesn't make any sense.

[WNC-Raven]

@ RavensDieHard21
That my friend, is a reply. Thank you for dropping some knowledge.

[steelcityraven]

RAMS- Goff
Browns- Wentz
Chargers- Tunsil
Cowboys- Ramsey
Jax- Bosa
Ravens- Jack

[steelcityraven]

My hunch: Rams- Wentz / Browns: Goff / Chargers: Tunsil / Dallas: Elliot / Jags: Jack / Ravens: Ramsey

Boy do I hope you are right ! That would be an early Christmas present!