Choice Bosa vs Jack

[Underdogsontop!]

This would be a tough decision for me. Jack looks like a freak on the field! But I did see some tape of him over pursuing and missing with arm tackles. That could be worked on with good coaching. His freakish athleticism is a gift for a man his size. Only downfall for me is the experience we had with Perrimans injury. Which would make my decision lean to Bosa. I was excited to see what Perriman would offer with his size and speed and got let down by him not being able to play due to his injury. Jack didn't run his 40 and reports say his knee is at 85%. I don't think I could handle going through another season with our 1st round draft pick on IR! I like Bosa and his pedigree. He plays like its business! Like he's bred to do what he does. He plays like a RAVEN! He's a pretty good athlete to me and has a unreal motor. I think he could be like a better Paul Krueger imo.  

[ravensdan]

Could you imagine drafting Jack and he and Perriman don't contribute?  It's not worth the risk at #6. I think I'd rather have Zeke or Lawson honestly. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

Bosa 

[flynismo]

Considering we'd be spending a #6 overall pick on either, I'd want the guy who has the highest ceiling. And that's Jack. 

[ellicottraven]

The best way to answer this question would be to draft Bosa and then draft Jaylon Smith in the second even if it means red shirting him in 2016. This way you get a Suggs replacement sewn up and then you get the next best thing to a Myles Jack next year - Jaylon Smith. Having said that, if Jaylon Smith is slated to go in the first and we can't really trade up to get him, then stick with Myles Jack.

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

The best way to answer this question would be to draft Bosa and then draft Jaylon Smith in the second even if it means red shirting him in 2016. This way you get a Suggs replacement sewn up and then you get the next best thing to a Myles Jack next year - Jaylon Smith. Having said that, if Jaylon Smith is slated to go in the first and we can't really trade up to get him, then stick with Myles Jack.

Jaylon Smith may never play football again and I think that is too early to draft him unless with a 4th round. If you want next best thing to Myles Jack look at Su'a Cravens from USC. His safety/lb play looks more like Myles Jack and fits next to Mosley better than Jaylon Smith does and less of a risk to the organization.

[ellicottraven]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

Jaylon Smith may never play football again and I think that is too early to draft him unless with a 4th round. If you want next best thing to Myles Jack look at Su'a Cravens from USC. His safety/lb play looks more like Myles Jack and fits next to Mosley better than Jaylon Smith does and less of a risk to the organization.

Him never playing football again is a very remote possibility. The only concern they have with his knee are the nerve regeneration in his knee. But, nerves eventually regenerate with time. Precisely why they expect him not to play in 2016. And Jaylon Smith is a far superior talent to Sua Cravens. I seriously doubt he is going to last till the 4th round. Not going to happen. I wouldn't be shocked if a team like the Bungles take a flier on him and draft him in the 1st. They did that with the offensive guard last year didn't they?

[trevorsteadman]

17 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Him never playing football again is a very remote possibility. The only concern they have with his knee are the nerve regeneration in his knee. But, nerves eventually regenerate with time. Precisely why they expect him not to play in 2016. And Jaylon Smith is a far superior talent to Sua Cravens. I seriously doubt he is going to last till the 4th round. Not going to happen. I wouldn't be shocked if a team like the Bungles take a flier on him and draft him in the 1st. They did that with the offensive guard last year didn't they?

Ogbuehi had a torn acl and was projected to heal. Jaylon Smith's reports have been pretty bad so far. His talent pre injury was top 3 in the draft. But this injury is very serious and they compare it to Marcus Lattimore. 2nd round and even 3rd round pick is too high to take a player who is basically 50-50 at playing ball again. Especially when we are in a win now mode with all the aging players on our team.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Him never playing football again is a very remote possibility. The only concern they have with his knee are the nerve regeneration in his knee. But, nerves eventually regenerate with time. Precisely why they expect him not to play in 2016. And Jaylon Smith is a far superior talent to Sua Cravens. I seriously doubt he is going to last till the 4th round. Not going to happen. I wouldn't be shocked if a team like the Bungles take a flier on him and draft him in the 1st. They did that with the offensive guard last year didn't they?

Nerves take literally like 10+ years to reproduce. 

Although, I suppose it depends on exactly what happened and even then, nerve regeneration isn't exactly a perfect science.

Edited April 18, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[KBoum]

RIght now I've seen some reports his NFL futur is in doubt. Doenst look good I wouldnt even waste a pick on him unless some medical reports says he doenst have nerve damage anymore

[January J]

What about Tunsil vs.Ramsey? Not likely but possible. Tunsil vs Jack would be tough too but I think you just have to go with the safe pick and take Tunsil regardless. And the more I think about it and the closer we get to the draft I think we have a real shot at nabbing him thanks to the rams-titans swap.

1)Goff

2) Wentz/Buckner 

3)Ramsey

4)Bosa

5) Jack

6) BOOM.

Edited April 18, 2016 by January J

[Winchester]

11 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Nerves take literally like 10+ years to reproduce. 

Although, I suppose it depends on exactly what happened and even then, nerve regeneration isn't exactly a perfect science.

HGH  can help nerves grow back far faster!! Ironic Peyton was connected to hgh. I said after his injury I was sure he probably used hgh to regenerate the nerves. I do not know what the scrutiny was all about he used hgh to heal to play ball again. It is not like steroids. It only builds muscle when combined with steroids or you need a boatload of it to build muscle. HGH builds and regenerates up joints cartilage ligaments and tendons and to a lesser degree a little muscle and bone. Without it Peyton probably would not of played again at an elite level. The Peyton everbody saw last year would of been the Peyton manning directly after his injury. Using hgh for injury and nerve regeneration should not be viewed as so negative. Jaylon Smith I'm sure knows that hgh gives his nerves a far greater opportunity to regenerate. Which is why is looks so confident. Somebody is going to pick him before round4 

[sflegend89]

Myles Jack and Mosley could be the best LB tandem in the NFL in 2-3 years....but Bosa could also end up being a monster. This is both my dream and nightmare scenario at the same time.

[Jacquouille]

14 minutes ago, January J said:

What about Tunsil vs.Ramsey? Not likely but possible. Tunsil vs Jack would be tough too but I think you just have to go with the safe pick and take Tunsil regardless. And the more I think about it and the closer we get to the draft I think we have a real shot at nabbing him thanks to the rams-titans swap.

1)Goff

2) Wentz/Buckner 

3)Ramsey

4)Bosa

5) Jack

6) BOOM.

If Tunsil doesn't go to SD there's around 80% chance he goes at 6. Dallas and Jax are set at OT.

[trevorsteadman]

12 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

If Tunsil doesn't go to SD there's around 80% chance he goes at 6. Dallas and Jax are set at OT.

Exactly what I said in another thread. And even then a buddy of mine said the Chargers do not really need a OT and they need interior linemen. So there is a decent chance the Chargers pass him especially if Ramsey is available. I said 75% so you are more confident but there is a great chance Tunsil falls. I hope a team does not trade up to get him.

[bcavanagh]

Well after this news from rotoworld....Bosa...

 

Myles Jack - LB - Player

The Philadelphia Daily News' Les Bowen was told by an NFL source UCLA LB Myles Jack's knee is "a time bomb."

Jack's medical recheck did not go well, with CBS Sports' Dane Brugler reporting several teams had "long-term question marks." This is lying season, however, and it is possible teams are leaking bad information about Jack's knee in order to push him down the draft board. A top-five talent, it is anyone's guess where Jack ends up, but it would still be a shock if he slipped out of the top 15.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

HGH  can help nerves grow back far faster!! Ironic Peyton was connected to hgh. I said after his injury I was sure he probably used hgh to regenerate the nerves. I do not know what the scrutiny was all about he used hgh to heal to play ball again. It is not like steroids. It only builds muscle when combined with steroids or you need a boatload of it to build muscle. HGH builds and regenerates up joints cartilage ligaments and tendons and to a lesser degree a little muscle and bone. Without it Peyton probably would not of played again at an elite level. The Peyton everbody saw last year would of been the Peyton manning directly after his injury. Using hgh for injury and nerve regeneration should not be viewed as so negative. Jaylon Smith I'm sure knows that hgh gives his nerves a far greater opportunity to regenerate. Which is why is looks so confident. Somebody is going to pick him before round4 

This still doesn't change the fact that nerve regeneration is not an exact science for the body

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, bcavanagh said:

Well after this news from rotoworld....Bosa...

 

Myles Jack - LB - Player

The Philadelphia Daily News' Les Bowen was told by an NFL source UCLA LB Myles Jack's knee is "a time bomb."

Jack's medical recheck did not go well, with CBS Sports' Dane Brugler reporting several teams had "long-term question marks." This is lying season, however, and it is possible teams are leaking bad information about Jack's knee in order to push him down the draft board. A top-five talent, it is anyone's guess where Jack ends up, but it would still be a shock if he slipped out of the top 15.

This news definitely increases the chances that Bosa, Tunsil, and Ramsey goes before the Ravens.

[Ravensfan23]

I say Bosa over Jack. You can find a talented ILB who can cover at any point. Not to take anything away from Jack because he's a special talent and if Mosley wasn't here I might pick Jack over Bosa. The Ravens have had success finding UDFAs at ILB. 

However it's so hard to find a quality pass rusher unless you draft them. Teams just don't let those guys go in FA and later round guys don't seem to develop as much. A complete guy like Bosa is even harder to find. There will be some guys who rack up more sacks them him in the NFL, but I don't think you'll find a guy who can move around and do more for the Ravens defense upfront then Bosa.

[L.A.Ravens]

I was all for Jack but the knee issue scares me with the number 6 pick. Bosa is my pick.

[Inqui]

10 hours ago, bcavanagh said:

Well after this news from rotoworld....Bosa...

 

Myles Jack - LB - Player

The Philadelphia Daily News' Les Bowen was told by an NFL source UCLA LB Myles Jack's knee is "a time bomb."

Jack's medical recheck did not go well, with CBS Sports' Dane Brugler reporting several teams had "long-term question marks." This is lying season, however, and it is possible teams are leaking bad information about Jack's knee in order to push him down the draft board. A top-five talent, it is anyone's guess where Jack ends up, but it would still be a shock if he slipped out of the top 15.

Philly are one of those teams who'll be hoping Jack can slide two or three spots so he could possibly land at their feet. I'm not brushing off those reports completely, but it pays to not take these pre-draft reports at face value because there's a lot of information and misinformation floating around - and it's worth noting that if the Eagles really like Jack, one of the best things that could happen to them is that someone in front of them starts second-guessing their board.

It's the same kinda thing with reports about guys like Bosa, Stanley, VH3 and Buckner (even though I'm not a fan of the latter as-is). There might be validity to reports that an FO is questioning their character, technique, talent level, injury history or something else, but it could just as easily be a load of [fill in the blanks] because the team at 10 is hoping the consensus #8 guy falls a little bit.

[ellicottraven]

10 hours ago, bcavanagh said:

Well after this news from rotoworld....Bosa...

 

Myles Jack - LB - Player

The Philadelphia Daily News' Les Bowen was told by an NFL source UCLA LB Myles Jack's knee is "a time bomb."

Jack's medical recheck did not go well, with CBS Sports' Dane Brugler reporting several teams had "long-term question marks." This is lying season, however, and it is possible teams are leaking bad information about Jack's knee in order to push him down the draft board. A top-five talent, it is anyone's guess where Jack ends up, but it would still be a shock if he slipped out of the top 15.

We have our own medical staff checking Myles' knee and jerking on it. I'm sure the Ravens won't trust rumors other than their own internal reports. If their internal reports suggest he has a bum knee, then they'll simply remove him from their board entirely. If they do pick him, be comfortable with the fact that nothing is wrong with his knee period.

[Gordo52]

I believe it comes down to this and still lean Jack. Higher ceiling & would do more for our D.

 

Remember a lot of smokescreens being used this time of year. Don't let Perriman influence your thoughts on this at all. 

Edited April 19, 2016 by Gordo52