Choice Bosa vs Jack

[ALPHA]

Thats a tough choice, you win games in the trenches but it is a pass orientated league.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Thats a tough choice, you win games in the trenches but it is a pass orientated league.

 

Problem is these players help out with both. But the draft is about potential, and we're still dead even. So it' gets down to need since you can't go wrong with either. And we're honestly as desperate for help in the middle of the defense as we are for pass rusher.  Not to mention the coverage skills Jack provides? Personal preference.

 

Im starting to feel for Ozzie. 

 

Flip a coin?

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Myles Jack could be the premiere defender and best defensive player in the league for the next decade. He could revolutionize the linebacker position and everyone would want the next Myles Jack but nobody would ever measure up. Not saying he IS that guy, just saying he has a real chance to be that guy. The kid is special and a rare talent that comes around once every 10-15 years. 

 

Bosa is a Damn solid edge defender who can do it all from multiple positions and will never get outmanned by any blocker he faces. But is he a generational talent? Nah.

That's a good way of putting it. Is it better to take a chance on a phenomenal talent at ILB or a very good player at rush-LB? It seems like a good ILB never leaves the field, whereas edge guys have to be rotated to stay fresh. Maybe you'd get more bang for your buck having a guy who will play every snap, even in nickle (and that's assuming Mosley continues to play basically every snap).

15 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Thats a tough choice, you win games in the trenches but it is a pass orientated league.

Pees does like to blitz his ILBs somewhat frequently; maybe Jack can be a surprise sack contributor.

[RavensDieHard21]

That 100% is the hardest decision to make at our pick! Jack offers more upside at a position where he could vastly improve our coverage ability in the middle, where he got tore up this year, but Bosa will cement our solid run defense and he can find ways to get pressure regardless of who is across from him. I'd say flip a coin, but I'd lean towards Jack as his versatility is very rare. 

[Tru11]

jack all day.

far more unique skillset and athletic ability then bosa.

bosa has a higher floor but jack has by far a much higher ceiling.

[Wildabeast88]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

As the self proclaimed president of the Myles Jack fanclub I have to say... Bosa.

Hes rock solid football player who's got the potential to be a top 5 player in this league. Actually, so does Jack..

 

Oh screw it. Either is good.

Yeah that is what I wanted to see it was a tough choice in my mind between them. I am surprised its a heavily favored to Jack but I'm good with either. 

[beanfigger]

Try to trade back a spot or two, get more picks, have some other team make that decision, and "settle" for the player they don't choose?

[harfordravenfan]

13 hours ago, Maryland said:

I'm surprised at the consensus opinion that Jack is preferable to Bosa. Thought it'd at least be close. 

I guess I don't really feel strongly either way. My board is like Tunsil > Ramsey > Bosa = Jack = VH3 > Elliot > Buckner > Stanley

It maybe due to ilb being an obvious position we need to fill (unless you have a lot of faith in Orr and Brown)

But as others have said... Either will improve our team

[Tank 92]

Tough decision that has little or no chance of needing to be made unless we trade up and that ain't gonna happen. 

Don't think you could go wrong with either, but my gut tells me Bosa will end up being the higher impact player.

[usmccharles]

Obviously Jack for me.  I think adding him improves Moseley's play and he could be closer to the line of scrimmage.  

I'm not a huge fan of Bosa, but that's just because of a hunch, I don't think he will be able to just over power tackles in the NFL as easily.   But I could see him being a difference maker.  

[Mad Puppy]

1 hour ago, beanfigger said:

Try to trade back a spot or two, get more picks, have some other team make that decision, and "settle" for the player they don't choose?

I disagree with this option, moving two back could net you neither one.

Plus it is as indecisive a decision one could make. A GM that move d down because he couldn't decide is a GM that shouldn't be a GM.

[Mad Puppy]

I've been seeing all the Myles Jack hype here. But he is coming off an injury. 

I wonder if you could get the same type of player later in Deion Jones. And still get your DE/OLB pass rusher in Bosa.

My choice is Bosa and target Deion Jones around the 3rd round.

[beanfigger]

8 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

I disagree with this option, moving two back could net you neither one.

Plus it is as indecisive a decision one could make. A GM that move d down because he couldn't decide is a GM that shouldn't be a GM.

If we move down two spots (Philly), it's because they are moving ahead to take a QB before SF, so at worst we are left with one of these two players we like that would both help us. It's possible neither get taken. And the "decision" is to get a great player AND more picks.

[Jacquouille]

Watching tape, I'm scared of Bosa's productivity as a pass rusher in the NFL...

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Watching tape, I'm scared of Bosa's productivity as a pass rusher in the NFL...

In a good way or a bad way

[Jacquouille]

23 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

In a good way or a bad way

In a bad way. He does win with his hands, but it takes too much time, in the NFL the QB has enough time to throw the ball before Bosa can get to him.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

In a bad way. He does win with his hands, but it takes too much time, in the NFL the QB has enough time to throw the ball before Bosa can get to him.

I Agree.  I'm not fan of his,  I just think he won't be able to win against NFL tackles the way he is used To.   

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I Agree.  I'm not fan of his,  I just think he won't be able to win against NFL tackles the way he is used To.   

If you put him at SAM LB he would wreck the right tackles in this league, his dip and rip move is like a bullrush he doesn't really need to turn the corner like Von Miller. Right now I only have him in front of Jack because of Jacks injury.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

If you put him at SAM LB he would wreck the right tackles in this league, his dip and rip move is like a bullrush he doesn't really need to turn the corner like Von Miller. Right now I only have him in front of Jack because of Jacks injury.

Im sure im wrong as im not a talent scout.  I am excited to see how he turns out, especially if we draft him.  What kind of production do you think you can compare him to?

[Jacquouille]

12 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im sure im wrong as im not a talent scout.  I am excited to see how he turns out, especially if we draft him.  What kind of production do you think you can compare him to?

Ryan Kerrigan is a name that comes often, and I would be thrilled if he can match Kerrigan's production. I don't know any pass rusher that would really have his kind of play style personnally, Watt  looks a lot like him physically though.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Ryan Kerrigan is a name that comes often, and I would be thrilled if he can match Kerrigan's production. I don't know any pass rusher that would really have his kind of play style personnally, Watt  looks a lot like him physically though.

Yea physically i can see that they look alike, but Watt was far more explosive coming out of school if i remember correctly. 

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea physically i can see that they look alike, but Watt was far more explosive coming out of school if i remember correctly. 

Don't know, wasn't into football yet, but I saw à video where he was reading his scouting reports at the time and it was clear that nobody expected him to become the player he is now. Among others, the report said he "would never be a stud pass rusher". So coming out of college, Watt wasn't a beast.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Don't know, wasn't into football yet, but I saw à video where he was reading his scouting reports at the time and it was clear that nobody expected him to become the player he is now. Among others, the report said he "would never be a stud pass rusher". So coming out of college, Watt wasn't a beast.

Yea no one saw Watt coming.  Watt had him on vertical and bench press by a good amount, everything else was identical.  Although i dont want us to get Bosa, i am little more excited about us getting him and  seeing what he becomes if he had a chance to play with Suggs and Doom.  That being said....i dont think we get Bosa or Jack, i see VH3 being our pick. 

[RayRocks]

41 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea no one saw Watt coming.  Watt had him on vertical and bench press by a good amount, everything else was identical.  Although i dont want us to get Bosa, i am little more excited about us getting him and  seeing what he becomes if he had a chance to play with Suggs and Doom.  That being said....i dont think we get Bosa or Jack, i see VH3 being our pick. 

I definitely wouldn't say "no one" saw him coming as I know there were a lot of people on the Draft Countdown forums who loved the kid, myself included.  If you watch this video of him, you can definitely see that he was a very, very special player.

I don't think Bosa is as physically talented as Watt, but there are some pretty significant similarities in their game.  Watt is more explosive and stronger, and Bosa is sneakier and probably more refined in his technique than Watt was, coming out.

 

[ALPHA]

21 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im sure im wrong as im not a talent scout.  I am excited to see how he turns out, especially if we draft him.  What kind of production do you think you can compare him to?

Probably Greg Hardy, maybe Justin Tuck, Chris Long is a popular one but Bosa is more powerful.

The thing with Bosa that makes everyone nervous is he tested slightly lower than Chris Long and Kerrigan in athleticism and those guys are not elite pass rushers. Now sacks are great but double digit sacks aren't necessarily indicative of a great season, what does you edge rusher do over the other 1000+ defensive snaps? stats don't mean production. Bosa produces by constantly disrupting the offense, run or pass he beats his guy up and down the field.

[ravensdan]

I think there should be a lot more concern over Jacks availability and what he can really do now. It should be a way bigger concern the guy still hasn't run. And I think teams are going to factor that in. 

[JetLife94]

3 hours ago, ravensdan said:

I think there should be a lot more concern over Jacks availability and what he can really do now. It should be a way bigger concern the guy still hasn't run. And I think teams are going to factor that in. 

I think he might run in private workouts In front of some teams scouts. Unreported times though.

[Wildabeast88]

12 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Probably Greg Hardy, maybe Justin Tuck, Chris Long is a popular one but Bosa is more powerful.

The thing with Bosa that makes everyone nervous is he tested slightly lower than Chris Long and Kerrigan in athleticism and those guys are not elite pass rushers. Now sacks are great but double digit sacks aren't necessarily indicative of a great season, what does you edge rusher do over the other 1000+ defensive snaps? stats don't mean production. Bosa produces by constantly disrupting the offense, run or pass he beats his guy up and down the field.

Actually his combine number were the same as Watt

Watt 6'5 40 4.84 3cone 6.88 20 yard shuttle 4.21

Bosa 6'5 40 4.86 3cone 6.89 20 yard shuttle 4.21

Edited April 11, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[Davesta]

Bosa have the same combine numbers as watt, but will he have the drive to want to be great? Watt's a workout monster

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Bosa have the same combine numbers as watt, but will he have the drive to want to be great? Watt's a workout monster

I think bosa will work. What appeals to me about Bosa is that he is super refined and he is smart on the field. I think he may end up more of a film guy than watt as opposed to being a workout monster. Bosa strikes me as the type who will be prepared. The fact that he moved out on his own to separate himself from the college antics to focus on football highlights that. Also, he doesnt have a stupidly strong grown man body by luck, he had to put in work in the weight room to get as powerful as he is, also a college player doesn't get that refined if he isn't committed.