[News] Eisenberg: Brace Yourself For 'The Big Sigh' Draft Pick

[mearzunkies]

At this point I would be disappointed if our 6th pick went to anyone not named Tunsil, Buckner, jack, Ramsey or Elliot. Picking Stanley or Bosa will be a letdown by seasons end and Hargraves would be great but not at 6. Please just no Bosa. He scares the crap out of me.

I too agree no Bosa and Stanley lower down not at #6!!

[BmoreB]

The first half of this article wasn't worth writing, no offense JE. Tunsil won't make it past SD if the Titans were to trade away the first pick which isn't going to happen anyway. So.... #moot

[FloridalovesRavens]

  7 hours ago, reed20fence said:

Frame it in terms of tangibles and the story changes. How many outcomes could have been changed if we had a rock solid blind side protector for Joe? Starting from game 1, if Joe has someone that could buy even an extra second of pocket time against a DeMarcus Ware or Von Miller, how many more completions does he make to alter the tone of the game? Even on the last two plays where SSS dropped his floater and Joe had to immediately go to the seam with Gillmore with a lob that got picked, maybe if he had time he coulda made a better pass?
All the way down to the last play where Joe had Hurst pushed into his knee and tore his acl, maybe that doesn't happen to a bigger bodied LT or a guy that's more aware of the situation and finishing his block on a play.
LTs are just as important in the complex interconnection that makes a team as a playmaking WR or LB.

The issue isn't if the fan base would approve of drafting an LT at #6. It is whether Stanley is worthy of that pick.

It's also worth noting that most fans don't really care about the draft. You have to really have nothing better to do that day so sit through it. The typical start of the season has most fans getting to know the new players on our team. 2 years ago I was at M&T for the opening game sitting in a 500 section and people all around me asking each other who is number such and such. Last year I was lucky enough to be at the bengals opener sitting 12 rows back from the Ravens sideline and again heard people without a clue as to who we drafted or picked up in the offseason. As much as the media and NFL want it to be a 365 day news cycle most people are out actually enjoying their summer. Heck, most of us that use these forums are living out of state or even out of country and use it as a way to stay connected. When you live in MD purple is everywhere and you just discuss these things with your neighbors, friends and colleagues. So yeah, if we draft a non playmaker there will be grumbling but this is Baltimore so that is normal.

Speak for yourself my friend. I enjoy the draft. Not only because of who we pick but I love to see these kids react when they are selected. These kids have been picked at and mocked drafted so many times it's pathetic. I know the Ravens will pick who they believe will enhance their team regardless of position. Best player available. Go Ravens.

[thieverycorporation]

  2 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

BPA would not put Stanley at No. 6 overall. Buckner, Hargreaves, and Elliot should all be ranked above him. Not that it is a need, If Ozzie thinks Elliot is a Jamal Lewis type player don't be surprised if we draft him. I would prefer a defensive stud, but you gotta trust our front office. 

I think this is exctly the best and easiest way to basically rule out Ozzie picking Stanley at #6: if he really goes with the BPA, then at #6 it simply cannot be Stanley, because Stanley is in no possible way is as high as #6 on any draft board - including the Ravens'. So, he can't be Ozzie's pick at #6.

Case closed.

I don't know because Ozzie's number one's have been suspect. For real. The only ones singing his praises are media hyper's and fan base. I don't hear other GM's towing the line.

[thecommish]

  8 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

At this point I would be disappointed if our 6th pick went to anyone not named Tunsil, Buckner, jack, Ramsey or Elliot. Picking Stanley or Bosa will be a letdown by seasons end and Hargraves would be great but not at 6. Please just no Bosa. He scares the crap out of me.

I too agree no Bosa and Stanley lower down not at #6!!

WOW - really... I know Bosa made some comments that showed his immaturity but this kid can play. He is the real deal and if we took Bosa at 2nd.... I would be ecstatic. I think if we are taking Stanley... we should probably trade back bc we can land him much later in rd one and probably outside of the top ten! (If we did that ... I would not be disappointed with Stanley at all- in fact i would be excited... I just wouldn't be as excited if we grabbed him at #6!

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, JimmyBlack said:

Draftek has the 10 top draft picks as follows:

1	+3	Laremy Tunsil	Ole Miss	LOT	6'5"	310	ROT	-15	BIO	VID
2	+1	Jalen Ramsey	Florida St	CB	6'1"	209	FS	0	BIO	VID
3	-1	Carson Wentz	North Dakota St	QB	6'6"	231			BIO	VID
4	-3	Joey Bosa	Ohio State	DE43	6'5"	269	OLB34	-1	BIO	VID
5	+1	Vernon Hargreaves III	Florida	CB	5'10"	204			BIO	VID
6	-1	Jared Goff	California	QB	6'4"	210			BIO	VID
7	+2	DeForest Buckner	Oregon	DE34	6'7"	291	DE43	-8	BIO	VID
8	--	Ronnie Stanley	Notre Dame	LOT	6'6"	312	ROT	-65	BIO	VID
9	+4	Myles Jack	UCLA	OLB43	6'1"	225			BIO	VID
10	+10	Ezekiel Elliott	Ohio St	RBF	6'0"	225			BIO	VID

So they have Stanley at 8 and people are freaking out over taking him at 6.  I don't get it.  If you eliminate the 2 QBs (which we can't really use) then he would be 6.

[cbrook1862]

It may not be as deep as the D line, but the draft has good depth at OL too, so we can wait to get a OT.

[jravens1313]

  3 hours ago, JimmyBlack said:

Draftek has the 10 top draft picks as follows:

1	+3	Laremy Tunsil	Ole Miss	LOT	6'5"	310	ROT	-15	BIO	VID
2	+1	Jalen Ramsey	Florida St	CB	6'1"	209	FS	0	BIO	VID
3	-1	Carson Wentz	North Dakota St	QB	6'6"	231			BIO	VID
4	-3	Joey Bosa	Ohio State	DE43	6'5"	269	OLB34	-1	BIO	VID
5	+1	Vernon Hargreaves III	Florida	CB	5'10"	204			BIO	VID
6	-1	Jared Goff	California	QB	6'4"	210			BIO	VID
7	+2	DeForest Buckner	Oregon	DE34	6'7"	291	DE43	-8	BIO	VID
8	--	Ronnie Stanley	Notre Dame	LOT	6'6"	312	ROT	-65	BIO	VID
9	+4	Myles Jack	UCLA	OLB43	6'1"	225			BIO	VID
10	+10	Ezekiel Elliott	Ohio St	RBF	6'0"	225			BIO	VID

So they have Stanley at 8 and people are freaking out over taking him at 6.  I don't get it.  If you eliminate the 2 QBs (which we can't really use) then he would be 6.

LT is a boring pick and we have one who is 28 years old, with 3 years left on his contract, and was taken No. 8 overall in 2009. IMO the evaluators/mock drafter overrate tackles because they are one of the most important positions and multiple are frequently taken in the Top 10. Our defense also needs more help than our offense.

I personally think Myles Jack is the highest rated player on our board if you heard the way Decosta spoke of him and how important versatility is in todays game. He will immediately enter the league and be the best cover ILB in the NFL.

[jravens1313]

  4 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

  10 hours ago, reed20fence said:

Frame it in terms of tangibles and the story changes. How many outcomes could have been changed if we had a rock solid blind side protector for Joe? Starting from game 1, if Joe has someone that could buy even an extra second of pocket time against a DeMarcus Ware or Von Miller, how many more completions does he make to alter the tone of the game? Even on the last two plays where SSS dropped his floater and Joe had to immediately go to the seam with Gillmore with a lob that got picked, maybe if he had time he coulda made a better pass?
All the way down to the last play where Joe had Hurst pushed into his knee and tore his acl, maybe that doesn't happen to a bigger bodied LT or a guy that's more aware of the situation and finishing his block on a play.
LTs are just as important in the complex interconnection that makes a team as a playmaking WR or LB.

The issue isn't if the fan base would approve of drafting an LT at #6. It is whether Stanley is worthy of that pick.

It's also worth noting that most fans don't really care about the draft. You have to really have nothing better to do that day so sit through it. The typical start of the season has most fans getting to know the new players on our team. 2 years ago I was at M&T for the opening game sitting in a 500 section and people all around me asking each other who is number such and such. Last year I was lucky enough to be at the bengals opener sitting 12 rows back from the Ravens sideline and again heard people without a clue as to who we drafted or picked up in the offseason. As much as the media and NFL want it to be a 365 day news cycle most people are out actually enjoying their summer. Heck, most of us that use these forums are living out of state or even out of country and use it as a way to stay connected. When you live in MD purple is everywhere and you just discuss these things with your neighbors, friends and colleagues. So yeah, if we draft a non playmaker there will be grumbling but this is Baltimore so that is normal.

Speak for yourself my friend. I enjoy the draft. Not only because of who we pick but I love to see these kids react when they are selected. These kids have been picked at and mocked drafted so many times it's pathetic. I know the Ravens will pick who they believe will enhance their team regardless of position. Best player available. Go Ravens.

IMO the draft is more exciting to watch than the Super Bowl unless the Ravens are in the big game. What sucks is the wait!

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

So they have Stanley at 8 and people are freaking out over taking him at 6.  I don't get it.  If you eliminate the 2 QBs (which we can't really use) then he would be 6.

If we take Stanley over Jack freaking out may be the appropriate reaction.

[mhedge]

I'm with most of you  guys. There is no way Tunsil is still there at 6. But if your required to write 50 articles about the draft then why not throw this one up against the wall and see if it sticks. I would bet some teams would be chomping at the bit to trade up for Tunsil if he falls to 6. I also think the Ravens might trade up to make sure they get him if he does fall. Naturally following the "right player, right price" formula. Moving up a couple slots might not cost much, in terms of Draft picks, since the other team will still likely get the player they want. 

If that earlier post was accurate showing the Top 10, and the Ravens agree with it, I'm pretty happy. We trade out or take Buckner. I think we all agree that no scenario has the Ravens taking a QB, unless they think they can stroke a team that is dying for him like SD did to NYG when E. Manning was taken. I'm ok with Jack here as well. I'll say no way on Elliot. I would actually be surprised if  the Ravens take a RB in the 1st round ever again. 

Edited April 10, 2016 by mhedge

[Crusader]

Protecting Joe is a smart move besides Ravens have a one and two defensive pick that neither can get on the field after 3 years.

[ravenmaniac4life]

The Ravens want a defensive playmaker, right?? Defensive back is the
position that make more game-changing plays than any other position on
defense. Based on that, Ramsey should be the most coveted player available.
Of course he'll be gone in the top 3 picks. Vernon Hargreaves
has been overshadowed by Ramsey in most conversations about
available DBs, however, he is a tremendous talent that has been a
game-changer in college. He was Mayock's top CB until he decided Ramsey
was a CB instead of a safety. If neither is available, Myles Jack is the next
most likely playmaker on defense. D-linemen very rarely fit this category

Parting words - PLEASE NO JOEY BOSA for reasons too numerous to
mention at this point.

[RavensDieHard21]

If Tunsil falls to us, I expect a great 'sigh' of excitement and relief from the fans (having been part of the forum and understanding our intelligent and informed fans' beliefs). In fact, they would expect the Ravens to cartwheel their choice to the NFL desk with giddy happiness. However, if it so happens that Stanley becomes that choice, there will be a resounding 'groan' of disappointment and frustration!
Here's what I believe the Ravens fans may like (at least me for sure) in this order:
1: Tunsil
2: Ramsey
3: Jack
4: Buckner/Bosa
At least this is the preferred choice that would get everybody in the fanbase excited and pumped!

I would say that is spot on, especially the rankings for excitement! Nice shout out to us forum fans too lol I would literally cry tears of joy if we landed Tunsil.

[balfan23]

2 hours ago, mhedge said:

I'm with most of you  guys. There is no way Tunsil is still there at 6. But if your required to write 50 articles about the draft then why not throw this one up against the wall and see if it sticks. I would bet some teams would be chomping at the bit to trade up for Tunsil if he falls to 6. I also think the Ravens might trade up to make sure they get him if he does fall. Naturally following the "right player, right price" formula. Moving up a couple slots might not cost much, in terms of Draft picks, since the other team will still likely get the player they want. 

If that earlier post was accurate showing the Top 10, and the Ravens agree with it, I'm pretty happy. We trade out or take Buckner. I think we all agree that no scenario has the Ravens taking a QB, unless they think they can stroke a team that is dying for him like SD did to NYG when E. Manning was taken. I'm ok with Jack here as well. I'll say no way on Elliot. I would actually be surprised if  the Ravens take a RB in the 1st round ever again. 

Any movement in the top 5 of the draft is normally very expensive. I doubt this year would be an exception. I know you must take anything the organization says pre-draft with a grain of salt, but I believe Bisciotti when he says he doesn't see us trading up in this draft. 

[law215]

At some point in the draft or free agency Ravens need to upgrade at LT. I don't think they want to go into the season with Monroe and Hurst only. If Buckner, Ramsey, and Bosa are gone, then I'm OK with getting Stanley. Protect Joe. DeCosta said he worries about pick 36 more than 6. One reason could be that the top 6-10 players are a consensus, so if you pass on a playmaker in round one for a LT , other impact players may not be there at round 3 so you must hit in the second round to have a good draft. For my money Spence, Calhoun, Nassib offer as good or better pass rush numbers than Bosa or Buckner if you look at 2015 college stats. My only concern with Buckner is if you get him in round 1, then with your next 2 selections you have to get a pass rusher, CB, LT which are positions Ravens need to upgrade more than D-line.

[ellicottraven]

20 hours ago, The Greek said:

wouldnt it be something if they drafted cardale jones at #6 and traded flacco to the broncos

Huh? It would be something if they traded the "Ravens" name for the "Colts" name imho. That is more likely to happen than what you suggest.

[ellicottraven]

16 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

So they have Stanley at 8 and people are freaking out over taking him at 6.  I don't get it.  If you eliminate the 2 QBs (which we can't really use) then he would be 6.

People are justifiably freaking out because Stanley isn't considered to be as good as Tunsil ( seems to be a consensus all pro). With the way the tackles taken high in the draft have performed in recent years, one can understand the apprehension. Especially given the stated position of the Ravens brass that they want someone who is a sure shot home run at # 6. 

[TheConquerorWorm]

  16 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

So they have Stanley at 8 and people are freaking out over taking him at 6.  I don't get it.  If you eliminate the 2 QBs (which we can't really use) then he would be 6.

People are justifiably freaking out because Stanley isn't considered to be as good as Tunsil ( seems to be a consensus all pro). With the way the tackles taken high in the draft have performed in recent years, one can understand the apprehension. Especially given the stated position of the Ravens brass that they want someone who is a sure shot home run at # 6. 

That's true but that's just misconception. Stanley is a franchise LT - that's not fan opinion, that's the opinion of scouts, NFL execs, etc. (even the Ravens FO says so). Personally, I think he is much better suited for this team than Tunsil. He's just not the sexy pick that everyone wants. Lawrence Phillips was the sexy pick, Ogden was the boring pick. Not saying Stanley is Ogden but he's one of the best LT in the past 3-4 drafts (much better than Lewan, Fisher, Joeckel, Khalil). Would love to have him here.

[usmccharles]

40 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's true but that's just misconception. Stanley is a franchise LT - that's not fan opinion, that's the opinion of scouts, NFL execs, etc. (even the Ravens FO says so). Personally, I think he is much better suited for this team than Tunsil. He's just not the sexy pick that everyone wants. Lawrence Phillips was the sexy pick, Ogden was the boring pick. Not saying Stanley is Ogden but he's one of the best LT in the past 3-4 drafts (much better than Lewan, Fisher, Joeckel, Khalil). Would love to have him here.

I Agree he isn't the sexy pick,  he's one of the last guys I want,  but that's because I want to go defense first. If we take him,  I won't be excited but I'll know we improved our team

[b93333]

I think there is an excellent chance someone will want to jump ahead of SF to grab a QB. That might give us the opportunity to get rich... in draft picks.

[verified]

these drafts are always a sigh for us ever since ozzies been terrible at drafting for the past5 seasons

[GENE2407]

Getting Tunsil is one thing...........Stanley is another. Tunsil would be a quality pick at #6, a difference maker on the OL. I think Stanley's just another OT and you can get that in round 2 or 3.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

After what Ozzie said himself about recent draft efforts, I would hope for and expect a real splash pick in the form of the best player available. I hope Bosa, Elliot and a QB all go in the picks before ours, ensuring Jack and or Buckner are available at this pick. Sounds as though there is little chance Ramsey makes it to 6. 

[usmccharles]

27 minutes ago, Ed_Reed_Pick_Six said:

After what Ozzie said himself about recent draft efforts, I would hope for and expect a real splash pick in the form of the best player available. I hope Bosa, Elliot and a QB all go in the picks before ours, ensuring Jack and or Buckner are available at this pick. Sounds as though there is little chance Ramsey makes it to 6. 

Anything is possible,  but I'd be willing to bet anything Ramsey doesn't mm make it past SD

[WNC-Raven]

On 4/10/2016 at 9:20 PM, jravens1313 said:

IMO the draft is more exciting to watch than the Super Bowl unless the Ravens are in the big game. What sucks is the wait!

You've been going to the wrong SB parties if you think the draft if more fun. Or I have been going to the wrong draft parties, actually I dont know anyone who has a draft party. Maybe you can send me a shout out! Either way I am glad someone enjoys the draft. I am not a big college fan so that probably has something to do with it also.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Nobody in Ravenstown will "sigh" if Tunsil is the tackle the Ravens take. The only one that is a meh pick will be Stanley. The Ravens put the best players on the field and I have a hard time believing Stanley could start day one over Monroe. Tunsil can, IMO.

 

There will be a defensive prospect that will be a better prospect over Stanley at six. Bosa, Buckner, Jack, VH3, or Ramsey will be there. Tunsil is the only player that should make us second guess whether we should go defense or not. 

[D-Rey]

Tunsil I'd jump for joy if we picked him. Stanley I'd let out a sigh lol.