[News] Late For Work 4/6: Why Myles Jack Would Make Perfect Pairing With C.J. Mosley

[bigcatfrank1]

I really am not all up on the Raven's using the #6 pick on Stanley either...yes he may be a decent OL, but I would not consider him a "stud" either. We need to draft a game changer with this pick, and other than Tunsil there just isn't a blue-chip OL in this draft. There are alot of good ones though, so I would not be surprised to see us take a tackle within the first four rounds. As long as we stay at #6, i'm expecting a defensive player who will come right in and start.

And I have been saying that when healthy, Monroe is a good, capable LT. If we picked Stanley at #6, he would be expected to start immediately. I guess we could put him at guard for a year like we did with Ogden, but I just don't see us reaching for a LT when we have more pressing needs on defense. Not to mention that with Flacco coming back from his injury, would you really want an inexperienced rookie protecting his blind side?

You compare Tunsil to who? While he is rated #1 and Stanley #2 both payed in college last year. Both have not played in the NFL. It seems a bit premature for you to draw these lines so clear when the rest of the entire collegiate draft ranking has the two player #1 and #2. So to be a bit more sensible with the equations, It looks like the decision for the Ravens will come down to between Stanley, Buckner (or Bosa), Elliot and Hargraves. My gut is The Ravens take Stanley over any of those players. But I could be very wrong to ever say that anyone of them couldn't be superstars! Though I think that if Tunsil, Jack or Ramsey were available at # 6 the Ravens would take one of them over Stanley. So I have the Ravens top down as this- Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Stanley, or Buckner then Bosa but I do not think they expect to go that deep.

[thecommish]

  9 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

IDK.... Tunsil, Ramsey and Bosa should all go before Jack... Buckner, Goff, Wentz, Stanley, VHIII, and Tradwell are all wildcards... (heck even Zeke Elliot could be a factor)..Docston and Eli Apple could also jump up the board. I really think that one of the 5 defensive players have to fall to us at # 6... (Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, Buckner, VHIII) I really think there is a good chance that Jack falls to number 6... if not we still have some great options but wouldn't be surprised to see Jack still there.

I'm not even sure why Treadwell is being discussed anymore. Not even viewed as a realistic top 15 prospect, and recent reports suggest he may not even be the first WR off the board.

Good player, but far from the top 10 first round type WRs we've seen picked recently.

I'd say he's most likely a back end-teens, early 20s type pick.

thats what you got out of his statement? i think the point was many quality players could mean multiple scenarios that may play out in our favor...i love it when people look to add nothing to a discussion other then to try and discredit people who add to the content. dont get so caught up in the details that you miss the bigger point....anybody can find fault with a discussion....to try to sound intelligent!

[thecommish]

  11 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I'm all in with Monroe as well. I would rather he perform than we waste a pick in Stanley quite frankly.

First off, how can you be all in on Monroe when he hasnt played a snap in 2 years. Second, he has been over paid for most of the time he has been on the team, if he does play even OK, would you keep him going into his 9th NFL season? Third, How can you consider Stanley a waste of a pick? you do not know that, you may think it, but many dont agree with you. In fact most of the NFL scouts, coaches, and trainers. Lastly, Stanley is most probably going to be a player at #6 that the Ravens will have to choose from. The question is who else will be left on the board and which ones mean more to the Ravens in the long run. I for one Want Joe Flacco protected at ALL COSTS!! If Joe spends his time running around from Defensive ends and LB most of the season, you will be sorry. If Stanley has the talent, and he showed incredible talent in college, to develop as a good LT in the NFL then there is no doubt the Ravens should take him at #6.

i agree...we would all rather monroe live up to expectations....he just hasnt given us much to make us believe he can and we need a better insurance policy then hurst this year....it dont have to be stanley but do need some depth-especially now that ko is gone

[Maryland]

In theory, Jack would be the perfect compliment to Mosley. Our ILBs would be extremely fast and instinctive. However, I have to question how Pees will use him, whether or not he will get the most out of him. If Pees wants run-stuffing LBs first and foremost, then Jack is not the player for him, which is a shame because Pees could very well be gone after this coming season if he keeps up what he's been doing, meaning whoever our next DC is could possibly use him quite effectively, not unlike how Arizona uses Buchannon. 

Edited April 7, 2016 by Maryland

[J.O.14]

We have got to get Jack. I'm hearing Dallas looking for a QB and Eagles want to trade up for Wentz..... 29th can't get here quick enough.

Can you imagine the Ravens with Myles Jack and Shaq Lawson and Mosley........ my god people that's how we won in 2000, 3 of the best linebackers in football, Lewis, Bowlware and Sharper.

Lawson won't make it out of the first round, you can forget that idea.

[merryjman]

It's so weird that there aren't any OLBs at the top of this draft class. In my opinion, that's what we need the most. Also weird that some draft sites list Jack as an OLB - clearly a mistake, right??

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, eyeoftheraven said:

We have got to get Jack. I'm hearing Dallas looking for a QB and Eagles want to trade up for Wentz..... 29th can't get here quick enough.

Can you imagine the Ravens with Myles Jack and Shaq Lawson and Mosley........ my god people that's how we won in 2000, 3 of the best linebackers in football, Lewis, Bowlware and Sharper.

Whoever you heard that from most likely doesn't know what they are talking about.

Dallas is looking for a QB, but not in round 1, and the Eagles just committed over $30M in guaranteed money to two QBs this offseason.

Shaq Lawson will be a first round pick, so he almost certainly won't be a Raven.

[rmcjacket23]

9 hours ago, thecommish said:

thats what you got out of his statement? i think the point was many quality players could mean multiple scenarios that may play out in our favor...i love it when people look to add nothing to a discussion other then to try and discredit people who add to the content. dont get so caught up in the details that you miss the bigger point....anybody can find fault with a discussion....to try to sound intelligent!

I strongly suggest you go back and re-read the statement he made, and do so slowly and thoroughly.

The entire premise of his post was to list the players who could be selected before us that would allow us to get Jack. Treadwell is not one of them, and I was largely being nice, because there's a couple other players he listed who also realistically have no shot of going before we pick.

That's why the notion of Jack falling to us becomes more difficult. Sure, in theory, there's like 500 players who could get drafted in the top 5, but we are talking about realistic options, not theoretical options.

Reading comprehension...

[usmccharles]

9 hours ago, thecommish said:

thats what you got out of his statement? i think the point was many quality players could mean multiple scenarios that may play out in our favor...i love it when people look to add nothing to a discussion other then to try and discredit people who add to the content. dont get so caught up in the details that you miss the bigger point....anybody can find fault with a discussion....to try to sound intelligent!

Yea, but sometimes people need a reality check.  Its possibly Jack falls to us, but as mentioned, some of those players aren't even first round guys...

[bigcatfrank1]

  23 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

First off, how can you be all in on Monroe when he hasnt played a snap in 2 years. Second, he has been over paid for most of the time he has been on the team, if he does play even OK, would you keep him going into his 9th NFL season? Third, How can you consider Stanley a waste of a pick? you do not know that, you may think it, but many dont agree with you. In fact most of the NFL scouts, coaches, and trainers. Lastly, Stanley is most probably going to be a player at #6 that the Ravens will have to choose from. The question is who else will be left on the board and which ones mean more to the Ravens in the long run. I for one Want Joe Flacco protected at ALL COSTS!! If Joe spends his time running around from Defensive ends and LB most of the season, you will be sorry. If Stanley has the talent, and he showed incredible talent in college, to develop as a good LT in the NFL then there is no doubt the Ravens should take him at #6.

What do you mean he hasn't played a snap in 2 yrs? He's missed a bunch of games but he has suited up in 2015 before being put on IR. So, I don't really get where you're coming from. If you mean he hasn't played enough, I can understand. Also, you must clearly know that this is an experienced LT and a pretty decent one when healthy and he understands our offensive scheme pretty well. So, if he's healthy and participates in OTAs and TC are you telling me a rookie LT will play better than him from the get go? I don't think so and that was the reason why I said what I said. More importantly I would rather save the cap hit by playing him than depend on a rookie or even another injured LT like a Clady or anybody else.

You are right, I shouldn't say he hasn't played in two years That isn't correct what I mean is he has not been steady in two years. In 2014, Harbaugh actually was not happy with him, he had comments seemingly directed towards him and Monroe ended up benched. Then in 2015 he ends up injured. So that is not a good sign. I am not saying he shouldn't start, give him the chance to earn his money and play like he should. I hope he does, In fact I think that is a great idea, what I am saying is the Ravens need a future LT to protect Joe. They need the best player they can possibly manage to get and develop and count on. Is Stanley that player? that is up to the Ravens to decide. If he plays in the NFL even close to the way he played in college and can develop to a high level LT Then why would anyone consider that a waste pick?

[bigcatfrank1]

So is it possible that Bisciotti has confidently stated that Monroe will be the Ravens starting Left Tackle because he is pretty sure that the team will select Stanley at #6? That their plan is to groom the big kid at OG and OT for the first year so he can learn the system, playbook, get up to NFL speed and strength so he doesn't get cracked out by Pro Bowl DE's too early. Utilize Monroe without loosing the cash, hopefully get the most out of him for the last two years of his contract, when it means the most to him and he wants to show his value. Sure, just as possible as if the Ravens were to say that considering taking a tackle at #36, #71, #131 5pick, 6pick or 7pick. But if you were the Owner, which one would you want protecting your franchise QB?

[ellicottraven]

21 hours ago, Maryland said:

In theory, Jack would be the perfect compliment to Mosley. Our ILBs would be extremely fast and instinctive. However, I have to question how Pees will use him, whether or not he will get the most out of him. If Pees wants run-stuffing LBs first and foremost, then Jack is not the player for him, which is a shame because Pees could very well be gone after this coming season if he keeps up what he's been doing, meaning whoever our next DC is could possibly use him quite effectively, not unlike how Arizona uses Buchannon. 

You seem to underestimate Pees quite a bit. I think he's a lot better than how you just portrayed him. Are you telling me Pees doesn't know how to use the strengths of players he has? That is the mantra he sings in almost every presser I've ever heard from him... and he's a pretty good coach with a lot of help from other really good coaches.