Matt Elam

[Jacquouille]

8 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, Elam is a bust. Silly to think that a 23 year old kid could have gained knowledge and maturity while sitting out a year. And how could Frazier possibly help him? No hope, just cut him now.   lol

Well, I'm 20, started following football a little more than a year ago (knowing nothing of course) and now I'm able to hold my own in a conversation between knowledgeable guys on this forum, so yes, one year can help you study the game.

As of how could Frazier help him, well by understanding how to use his talent, which is to quickly analyze plays and deliver bone crushing tackles in the open field, in the flat and in the perimeter, to the fullest.

If you've watched his tape, you can tell he's an extremely agressive guy when confident, and that his a great boost for any team, even more for the Ravens who love that kind of football.

[allblackraven]

16 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, I'm 20, started following football a little more than a year ago (knowing nothing of course) and now I'm able to hold my own in a conversation between knowledgeable guys on this forum, so yes, one year can help you study the game.

As of how could Frazier help him, well by understanding how to use his talent, which is to quickly analyze plays and deliver bone crushing tackles in the open field, in the flat and in the perimeter, to the fullest.

If you've watched his tape, you can tell he's an extremely agressive guy when confident, and that his a great boost for any team, even more for the Ravens who love that kind of football.

Trouble is, he's not a tackler, he tries to hit people and we paid more than couple times for that.

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, I'm 20, started following football a little more than a year ago (knowing nothing of course) and now I'm able to hold my own in a conversation between knowledgeable guys on this forum, so yes, one year can help you study the game.

As of how could Frazier help him, well by understanding how to use his talent, which is to quickly analyze plays and deliver bone crushing tackles in the open field, in the flat and in the perimeter, to the fullest.

If you've watched his tape, you can tell he's an extremely agressive guy when confident, and that his a great boost for any team, even more for the Ravens who love that kind of football.

 

You missed my sarcasm and also my post from a few days ago that I've include below.  I agree with you and actually think Matt is going to surprise a lot of people.

 

On 4/6/2016 at 8:13 AM, Tank 92 said:

Playing his natural position and maturation may be the ticket to NFL success for Matt.  I hope he turns out to be the beast he was thought to be. 

 

[Gtown Purple]

Last chance saloon with this guy.................

[Deflated Football]

On 4/10/2016 at 3:51 PM, Tank 92 said:

 

You missed my sarcasm and also my post from a few days ago that I've include below.  I agree with you and actually think Matt is going to surprise a lot of people.

 

 

Aren't you the same guy that said there was absolutely no way we would sign Weddle? Or was it Wallace? Either way, you're probably going to be wrong again. Per Rotoworld:

 

The Ravens aren't expected to exercise S Matt Elam's fifth-year team option for 2017.

Not only would it be a "surprise" if they did, ESPN Ravens reporter Jamison Hensley calls Elam the "biggest first-round bust" in team history. Elam missed a boatload of tackles in 2014 and a couple in a key Divisional Round loss to the Patriots while grading out as one of the worst safeties at PFF. Elam hasn't shown an ability to cover or tackle and missed all of 2015 with a torn biceps. Apr 13 - 9:29 AM

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Aren't you the same guy that said there was absolutely no way we would sign Weddle? Or was it Wallace? Either way, you're probably going to be wrong again. Per Rotoworld:

 

The Ravens aren't expected to exercise S Matt Elam's fifth-year team option for 2017.

Not only would it be a "surprise" if they did, ESPN Ravens reporter Jamison Hensley calls Elam the "biggest first-round bust" in team history. Elam missed a boatload of tackles in 2014 and a couple in a key Divisional Round loss to the Patriots while grading out as one of the worst safeties at PFF. Elam hasn't shown an ability to cover or tackle and missed all of 2015 with a torn biceps. Apr 13 - 9:29 AM

It was Weddle and I assumed we were all in with Webb at FS and the FA $ would be used elsewhere. More than happy it worked out that we were able to sign him.

No great revelation here and I'm not sure what Hensley's comment has to do with the hope that Elam has matured and upped his game. If that hope and thought ends up being wrong, so what.  Are you always right?  lol

[jazz1988]

I believe Matt Elam can excel in a similar role Troy P had as a Steeler.

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12 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I believe Matt Elam can excel in a similar role Troy P had as a Steeler.

Lmao.  I don't mean to laugh at you... just your statement.  So we want the guy who hasn't shown the ability to tackle or cover, to rely on his instincts, in role where he basically chooses what he does based on play design and trusting his film knowledge?  Let me also state, from what I've seen, he hasn't shown the greatest football awareness, to say the least.

[jazz1988]

24 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Lmao.  I don't mean to laugh at you... just your statement.  So we want the guy who hasn't shown the ability to tackle or cover, to rely on his instincts, in role where he basically chooses what he does based on play design and trusting his film knowledge?  Let me also state, from what I've seen, he hasn't shown the greatest football awareness, to say the least.

Honestly when has Matt Elam been giving the opportunity to play near the line of scrimmage or strong safety consistently ? Pees has used him all over the secondary and he has never been asked to settle in at the area he excels at the most.

 

I know he's first rounder and he did showcase lack of awareness at times but if Dean Pees can admit he had Terrance Brooks doing too much in his rookie season then no way.the same can't be said about Elam.

 

When Matt Elam played strong safety against The Lions in his rookie season and some in his second season he displayed solid intinct and awareness.Elam has the upside to actually play every position in secondary besides outside corner but right now the guy is at his best at strong safety . 

 

I think his coverage issues stem from Pees asking him to do too much and him not being comfortable in the defensive system. His tacking issues in my opinion comes from him trying to make a play or the big hit too much.Overall if Elam matures and finally gets comfortable in Dean Pees system then I don't see how he couldn't excel in  Troy P type role or any role

[rmw10]

Elam can't tackle and can't cover. I don't care where they have you playing in the secondary. If you can't do those 2 things, there's not much hope. 

[Tank 92]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Elam can't tackle and can't cover. I don't care where they have you playing in the secondary. If you can't do those 2 things, there's not much hope. 

That could turn out to be the case, but to be fair you could be describing the play of most anyone in the secondary in 2013 and 2014, including Webb. 

[Kinda_Dante]

There were no tackling issues in his first year or throughout his college career. in the 2014 season he had a sophomore slump like a lot of players do and then the next offseason the lights supposedly turned on for him and the game slowed down according to all the coaches. He was injured  the entire season so we don't know if it's actually true. I will give him the benefit of the doubt because it was only one year of him struggling with his tackling. I think he can play really well as strong safety if he's not asked to play a lot of other roles, but saying he can play a Polamalu role is going a little far. We'll see what he can do this season but I'm personally still holding out hope for Elam to become a good player for us.

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

That could turn out to be the case, but to be fair you could be describing the play of most anyone in the secondary in 2013 and 2014, including Webb. 

It's a lack of football IQ for me. If a guy is going to throw a weak shoulder instead of wrapping up as the last line of defense, it's not showing any intelligence. He shown flashes at times but I'd be very surprised if he turns out to be anything worthwhile. I hope he proves me wrong, but struggling with the fundamentals of football is not a good look. 

[Tank 92]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's a lack of football IQ for me. If a guy is going to throw a weak shoulder instead of wrapping up as the last line of defense, it's not showing any intelligence. He shown flashes at times but I'd be very surprised if he turns out to be anything worthwhile. I hope he proves me wrong, but struggling with the fundamentals of football is not a good look. 

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of the characterizations of his play so far.  Just think he was kind of thrown into a hole he didn't fit  and also may have not been the most mentally mature 21/22 year old on the block. Holding out hope for him and I as well hope he proves you wrong. :-)

[K-Dog]

I think Matt Elam has potential, but he will never be as good as Troy Paulamahau.  ( sp. What ever )

That's just crazy talk.

[Maryland]

There is no reason to pick up Elam's option. That option would cost close to the amount of a franchise tag. If they picked it up, they would just have to cut Elam and then lose any chance of getting a comp. pick, which is really the best-case scenario at this point--that he performs well enough to earn even a 7th round comp. pick.

[Kinda_Dante]

2 minutes ago, Maryland said:

There is no reason to pick up Elam's option. That option would cost close to the amount of a franchise tag. If they picked it up, they would just have to cut Elam and then lose any chance of getting a comp. pick, which is really the best-case scenario at this point--that he performs well enough to earn even a 7th round comp. pick.

You're right about not picking up his option it makes no sense to do it, but do you honestly believe the best case scenario is a 7th rd comp pick? I think he can elevate his game some this year and maybe we keep him around on a low 2 year "prove your worth it" contract. I think that's the best case scenario.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

No way we pick up the option. Unless we have injuries at safety, hes just not going to have many opportunities for snaps. I hope he can turn it around and figure out his tackling issues and become a little better with the mental aspects of the game but I havent seen anything to indicate that he can or will.

It is true that Elam hasnt been given an opportunity to play the role he's best at - but the problem that the people using that excuse arent accounting for is that that role doesnt really exist in our defense. We dont have the ability to just drop a safety down in the box and alleviate his coverage responsibilities. We just dont have that deep middle, center field type of safety that can cover sideline to sideline by himself, so allowing Elam to play in his best role would hurt the rest of the defense.

So I just dont see an opportunity for him here unless he drastically improves his game in other areas.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Elam can't tackle and can't cover. I don't care where they have you playing in the secondary. If you can't do those 2 things, there's not much hope. 

Elam 4 RB!

[ALPHA]

Bust City

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6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Elam 4 RB!

Richardson for S

[Guest]

On ‎4‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 5:46 AM, Jacquouille said:

Funny because I was just watching some of his Florida tape. Tbh I still think he's got talent and can be a great S. I just hope we don't ask him to cover too much, because he's not good in coverage. 

But if our secondary can continue to improve and add pieces + a good cover ILB to manage the TEs we could let him play as our In The Box SS (and not worry too much about the WR and TE) because he would be terrific in that role.

With Weddle, Jimmy back in shape, Shareece still improving and possibly another CB and a cover ILB in the draft, we can be solid in pass coverage, and that would let Elam be an impact player on the perimeter.

 

It was his Florida tape that convinced me he'd never make an NFL safety. Not in the mold that we needed. He's the anti Roberto Duran. He has Fists of Stone but no knockout ability. When a ball touches his hands one can literally hear the clank sound as the ball ricochets away.  He is about as discerning as that stone too.  Wherewithal that borders on brain lock.

In the end, you  can't blame him though. He is what he is. What is unacceptable however is going into a new season purging both your starting Free and Strong Safeties and signing a Free Agent replacement, Michael Huff, that literally can't play, then cutting that replacement and watching that replacement walk away with his signing bonus, aka, the Wide Receiver savings post purge of your QB's favorite receiver. Thereafter compounding the problem by drafting a short statured Florida Gator and leaving a less than intelligent draftee without a mentor to show him the ropes his first year.  It's the type of mismanagement that defines teams like the Cleveland Browns.

The sound move would have been to draft Eric Reid, but that would have involved trading up. Although Newsome stated that Elam was "at the very top of his board",  Elam was miss-drafted, but he was left without someone to help him along and we still have not recovered from that mismanagement at Safety as this year's manipulations clearly illustrate. The totality of circumstances make it clear it's time for Mr Newsome to find a pursuit requiring less discernment in his retirement. The man is killing us.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Danny D

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On 4/13/2016 at 1:19 PM, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of the characterizations of his play so far.  Just think he was kind of thrown into a hole he didn't fit  and also may have not been the most mentally mature 21/22 year old on the block. Holding out hope for him and I as well hope he proves you wrong. :-)

I thought you were a Flacco fan boy, but you're just a Homer(no offense).  Defending Elam takes guts and I must say, I respect that.  At least, more than I respect his ability on the field.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

If Elam can make it past the cuts and get on the field at all this year he is going to be filling out his resume for the other 31 NFL teams with his play and so far it's a resume that's seriously lacking. I just don't see him here (any where in the NFL) much longer unless he can turn on some mental  switch to get him playing like an NFL safety.

Edited April 17, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[omar586]

elam and marlon, arthur are tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrible.

[Passepartout]

Elam was never elite. Just think he will barely make the cuts or he will be searching for work. It is a double edged sword.

[Ravensfan23]

For as deep as the Safety position is, Weddle is really the only long term option right now. Nobody knows just how well Webb will perform full time and I'm not really sold on Kendrick. So Elam along with Brooks still have a huge opportunity this year imo. The coaches will give Elam every opportunity to not only make the team but be a contributor. 

There's no point on picking up his option but there's no point in righting him off completely unless you select Ramsay at top or a high 2nd rounder like Cravens. Elam still has a shot to put it together in Baltimore. If he will or not is the question to be answered

[ludy51]

Best tackler i've seen since Joe Montania

[Deflated Football]

On 4/17/2016 at 0:47 PM, Passepartout said:

Elam was never elite. Just think he will barely make the cuts or he will be searching for work. It is a double edged sword.

Who ever said he was elite? Real question.. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Elam has to know that his days are numbered if he keeps up the poor play he has been showing everyone. Didn't Oz even call him out on his play last season?