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[budman]

Steve Smith Sr. is not alone. I don't think Greg Hardy will find anybody who actually believed him. What Ray Rice did was bad, but this guy takes the cake. At least Rice manned up.

[WNC-Raven]

What a load of crap from Hardy. I have lived in the south for over a decade and almost all violent crime in our area has always been domestic violence. I've even joked that it is the safest place in the world as long as you keep your you know what in your pants. In fact, the local women's shelter is at the top of my list of charities to donate to every year because of the sheer number of women looking for an escape. Bible Belt indeed.

Edited April 5, 2016 by WNC-Raven

[mendii]

Greg Hardy is a monster. It is ridiculous that he is allowed to play while Ray Rice never got a second chance. Ray took all the positive steps he could after the fact, Hardy has just denied. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by mendii

[ellicottraven]

In hindsight, I feel really bad for the way the league treated Ray Rice after watching Greg Hardy make millions after the fact. Look at the intrinsic differences between the two. I believe (without condoning it), Ray Rice's act was far less egregious than Hardy's.

On the one hand, Ray Rice took full responsibility and had confessed to the team even prior to the release of the video and is supremely contrite and doing a lot to help DV victims. On the other, you have Hardy, who is still in abject denial and is being given all the chances in the world by the Cowboys and sleazy Jones.

If the league really wants to champion the DV issue, then give Ray Rice a chance because the more you see a reformed Ray Rice in the league, the more optics you provide for the issue which keeps it alive and in people's consciences. But, one guy that has repented and reformed gets no chance at redemption and the other strangely makes millions.

[757RavensFan]

11 minutes ago, mendii said:

Alright so look, in my personal opinion anyone convicted of domestic violence or crimes against children should be kept out of this league. However, since that is not the case I know I have to temper my expectations of how the league will react to these situations. That being said, the fact that Ray Rice never got a second chance after taking the blame, going through the therapy, trying to help other people to learn from him, while Greg Hardy is facing much more monstrous accusations but is allowed to stay in the league because he denies it and there is no video evidence is sick. Greg Hardy is a gross dude, I wouldn't let him near anyone I cared about.

 

6 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

In hindsight, I feel really bad for the way the league treated Ray Rice after watching Greg Hardy make millions after the fact. Look at the intrinsic differences between the two. I believe (without condoning it), Ray Rice's act was far less egregious than Hardy's.

On the one hand, Ray Rice took full responsibility and had confessed to the team even prior to the release of the video and is supremely contrite and doing a lot to help DV victims. On the other, you have Hardy, who is still in abject denial and is being given all the chances in the world by the Cowboys and sleazy Jones.

If the league really wants to champion the DV issue, then give Ray Rice a chance because the more you see a reformed Ray Rice in the league, the more optics you provide for the issue which keeps it alive and in people's consciences. But, one guy that has repented and reformed gets no chance at redemption and the other strangely makes millions.

The NFL per se is not preventing Ray Rice from getting a 2nd chance.  It's the owners and coaches.  

Ray Rice was reinstated to play in the NFL but no teams expressed an interest in letting him play.  

As much as I hate that this happened to Rice, unless we find out that he was blackballed directly from the commish,

I can't blame Goodell or the NFL front office for the fact that no team gave Rice a second chance. 

[jravens1313]

For as much as we invested in Flacco, there is no need to rush him on the field. Mallet could start the first few games if need be.

There is no conundrum on Noah Spence. He is a 2nd Round talent and we will draft him if he is the BPA. He isn't a prodigy.

[metalraven]

Stop comparing this to the Ray Rice situation. In the Rice situation, there was actual proof because he smashed his girl's face, then coldly dragged her limp body out of the elevator, and stood over her with no signs of "oh my god, what did I just do?!"...all on a video. In Hardy's situation, there is evidence, but no video of him actually performing the act. No factual proof. So nobody can say for sure what happened.

And when Ray Rice "confessed" to the team before the video came out; he was incredibly vague about it, and nobody knew how bad it actually was. If I remember correctly, he alluded to slapping her. But as we saw, it was a closed fist, left hook to the freaking jaw.

Rice is doing right by his actions now; but he still did something incredibly disgusting. If that was your daughter; would you want that man near your family? Stop being homers about Rice. If he was a steeler, you'd want him publicly hanged.

Hardy is a piece of crap. But his situation is different.

[ludy51]

32 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Stop comparing this to the Ray Rice situation. In the Rice situation, there was actual proof because he smashed his girl's face, then coldly dragged her limp body out of the elevator, and stood over her with no signs of "oh my god, what did I just do?!"...all on a video. In Hardy's situation, there is evidence, but no video of him actually performing the act. No factual proof. So nobody can say for sure what happened.

And when Ray Rice "confessed" to the team before the video came out; he was incredibly vague about it, and nobody knew how bad it actually was. If I remember correctly, he alluded to slapping her. But as we saw, it was a closed fist, left hook to the freaking jaw.

Rice is doing right by his actions now; but he still did something incredibly disgusting. If that was your daughter; would you want that man near your family? Stop being homers about Rice. If he was a steeler, you'd want him publicly hanged.

Hardy is a piece of crap. But his situation is different.

Are you really prosecuting Rice and defending Hardy? You make it sound like rice is some sort of serial abuser or something with the bolded comment. He made one 5 second mistake while drunk. 

[bioLarzen]

The Perriman case is starting to be seriously conerning...

 

Quote

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said sophomore WR Breshad Perriman (PCL) is still not running "fully."

Perriman did not play a snap as a rookie after partially tearing his PCL early in training camp. He was expected to be ready for the offseason program, so it is concerning he is not yet back to 100 percent, although GM Ozzie Newsome said the team is getting good reports on his recovery. With the Ravens bringing in Mike Wallace in free agency, Perriman needs a strong offseason to solidify his role in the offense.

(source: rotoworld.com)

 

Remember: this is an injury that started off as "nothing serious, just a couple of days" kind of one, 8 months ago...

Edited April 5, 2016 by bioLarzen

[Space11jams]

Stop comparing this to the Ray Rice situation. In the Rice situation, there was actual proof because he smashed his girl's face, then coldly dragged her limp body out of the elevator, and stood over her with no signs of "oh my god, what did I just do?!"...all on a video. In Hardy's situation, there is evidence, but no video of him actually performing the act. No factual proof. So nobody can say for sure what happened.

And when Ray Rice "confessed" to the team before the video came out; he was incredibly vague about it, and nobody knew how bad it actually was. If I remember correctly, he alluded to slapping her. But as we saw, it was a closed fist, left hook to the freaking jaw.

Rice is doing right by his actions now; but he still did something incredibly disgusting. If that was your daughter; would you want that man near your family? Stop being homers about Rice. If he was a steeler, you'd want him publicly hanged.

Hardy is a piece of crap. But his situation is different.

if you going to blame one person blame the other.....BOTH we're the cause of the situation that happened. NO ONE should be provoked, especially when their intoxicated. That's what happened in the Rice's situation. Rice never denied not hitting her but seeing it makes it bad which is the reason he was cut and banned. How do you know he was vague about it by the way? I don't condone hitting women or anything Ray did but you can't put all the blame on him. You have women out here thinking they can go toe to toe with men and putting their hands on them like they're kids but when they defend themselves, women rights are being brought up and the guy is being dragged through the mud. You can't play both sides. Plain and simple, keep your hands to yourself. That goes for men and women.

[Space11jams]

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

Stop comparing this to the Ray Rice situation. In the Rice situation, there was actual proof because he smashed his girl's face, then coldly dragged her limp body out of the elevator, and stood over her with no signs of "oh my god, what did I just do?!"...all on a video. In Hardy's situation, there is evidence, but no video of him actually performing the act. No factual proof. So nobody can say for sure what happened.

And when Ray Rice "confessed" to the team before the video came out; he was incredibly vague about it, and nobody knew how bad it actually was. If I remember correctly, he alluded to slapping her. But as we saw, it was a closed fist, left hook to the freaking jaw.

Rice is doing right by his actions now; but he still did something incredibly disgusting. If that was your daughter; would you want that man near your family? Stop being homers about Rice. If he was a steeler, you'd want him publicly hanged.

Hardy is a piece of crap. But his situation is different.

Are you really prosecuting Rice and defending Hardy? You make it sound like rice is some sort of serial abuser or something with the bolded comment. He made one 5 second mistake while drunk. 

Actually, while being provoked.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, metalraven said:

Stop comparing this to the Ray Rice situation. In the Rice situation, there was actual proof because he smashed his girl's face, then coldly dragged her limp body out of the elevator, and stood over her with no signs of "oh my god, what did I just do?!"...all on a video. In Hardy's situation, there is evidence, but no video of him actually performing the act. No factual proof. So nobody can say for sure what happened.

And when Ray Rice "confessed" to the team before the video came out; he was incredibly vague about it, and nobody knew how bad it actually was. If I remember correctly, he alluded to slapping her. But as we saw, it was a closed fist, left hook to the freaking jaw.

Rice is doing right by his actions now; but he still did something incredibly disgusting. If that was your daughter; would you want that man near your family? Stop being homers about Rice. If he was a steeler, you'd want him publicly hanged.

Hardy is a piece of crap. But his situation is different.

Partially agree, though I wouldn't be so quick to play the "there is no factual proof" when it comes to Hardy.

There was clearly enough factual proof in a Judge's opinion that he be found guilty of assault and criminal threats, because he was. It was only after he appealed for a jury and paid off the woman to no longer cooperate with the judicial process was he "exonerated".

As you did state, the only difference between Rice and Hardy, for the most part, is one act was caught on tape and another wasn't. So in Rice's case, the public is able to determine facts vs non-facts for themselves, while in the Hardy case the public is left with what most cases like this have... the opinions, evidence and testimony collected in a judicial proceeding.

If it were my daughter, and she was of the age of these woman to make these determinations herself, I'd leave it up to her to decide if she would still want to be with a person like this. There's no better person to make that judgment than her.

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

 

The NFL per se is not preventing Ray Rice from getting a 2nd chance.  It's the owners and coaches.  

Ray Rice was reinstated to play in the NFL but no teams expressed an interest in letting him play.  

As much as I hate that this happened to Rice, unless we find out that he was blackballed directly from the commish,

I can't blame Goodell or the NFL front office for the fact that no team gave Rice a second chance. 

When I said league it was in reference to all the NFL teams. I should've clarified it but didn't.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

When I said league it was in reference to all the NFL teams. I should've clarified it but didn't.

Also factor in the idea that the last time we saw Ray Rice, he really wasn't a very good football player... and two years have gone by since then, which doesn't help him.

That's how Greg Hardy gets a job and Rice doesn't. One can still dominate the league, and the other probably couldn't start for any team in the league.

[ellicottraven]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Also factor in the idea that the last time we saw Ray Rice, he really wasn't a very good football player... and two years have gone by since then, which doesn't help him.

That's how Greg Hardy gets a job and Rice doesn't. One can still dominate the league, and the other probably couldn't start for any team in the league.

He had like 3ypc average the year before right? But, he was still versatile enough to be given a chance even as a back up if possible. I agree Hardy is a more useful player to teams than Ray Rice may be, but still not a sniff? 

[bioLarzen]

As for the Hardy story: we could go on pretending that the NFL is something more - more noble - than a business venture... but it isn't. It is a conglomerate of 32 business companies which are all out for profit. No exception - well,m maybe the Packers... As long as a player proves to be beneficial to the company - meaning the services he provides trump the PR negativity of whatever he does off-the-field, he's on an NFL payroll. Need proof? Greg Hardy. Aldon Smith. Adrian Peterson. Richie Incognito. Wonder if Aaron Hernandez would be on a team if he wasn't incarcerated...

Rice 's career wasn't killed because his action was so much more attrocious than what those players have done - but because no GM was sure he could bring his team services other RB's with significantly less PR baggage could match. If Rice came off a career season when what happened happened, I'm quite sure he'd be on a team now, too.

 

Sorry folks, but it's also that oft-mentioned "damned business side of football".

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

He had like 3ypc average the year before right? But, he was still versatile enough to be given a chance even as a back up if possible. I agree Hardy is a more useful player to teams than Ray Rice may be, but still not a sniff? 

Pretty steady decline over last three seasons played:

4.7 YPC in 2011, 4.4 YPC in 2012, down to 3.1 YPC in 2013. 

Even receiving yardage was down: 

9.3 YPC in 2011, 7.8 YPC in 2012, down to 5.5 YPC in 2013... and his 2012 and 2013 reception numbers were nearly identical.

Him being a backup is the whole problem... as a backup RB, he's not even worth the media questions and PR that comes with signing such a player. 

When somebody asks a team why they signed Greg Hardy, its a pretty simple answer... good chance for double digit sacks, quality run stopper, etc.

Answering that same question about Ray Rice by saying "we think he can be a really good 5-6 carry per game or less kind of guy" isn't exactly getting the reward benefit of the risk you are taking.

I mean honestly RBs with his skill sets at the current age as backups are a dime a dozen.

[ludy51]

53 minutes ago, Space11jams said:

Actually, while being provoked.

Both I believe

[metalraven]

  3 hours ago, metalraven said:

Stop comparing this to the Ray Rice situation. In the Rice situation, there was actual proof because he smashed his girl's face, then coldly dragged her limp body out of the elevator, and stood over her with no signs of "oh my god, what did I just do?!"...all on a video. In Hardy's situation, there is evidence, but no video of him actually performing the act. No factual proof. So nobody can say for sure what happened.

And when Ray Rice "confessed" to the team before the video came out; he was incredibly vague about it, and nobody knew how bad it actually was. If I remember correctly, he alluded to slapping her. But as we saw, it was a closed fist, left hook to the freaking jaw.

Rice is doing right by his actions now; but he still did something incredibly disgusting. If that was your daughter; would you want that man near your family? Stop being homers about Rice. If he was a steeler, you'd want him publicly hanged.

Hardy is a piece of crap. But his situation is different.

Partially agree, though I wouldn't be so quick to play the "there is no factual proof" when it comes to Hardy.

There was clearly enough factual proof in a Judge's opinion that he be found guilty of assault and criminal threats, because he was. It was only after he appealed for a jury and paid off the woman to no longer cooperate with the judicial process was he "exonerated".

As you did state, the only difference between Rice and Hardy, for the most part, is one act was caught on tape and another wasn't. So in Rice's case, the public is able to determine facts vs non-facts for themselves, while in the Hardy case the public is left with what most cases like this have... the opinions, evidence and testimony collected in a judicial proceeding.

If it were my daughter, and she was of the age of these woman to make these determinations herself, I'd leave it up to her to decide if she would still want to be with a person like this. There's no better person to make that judgment than her.

Exactly my point regarding evidence. That's why we have judge and jury. But evidence does not always equate to known fact. I am not saying Hardy is innocent at all. Just pointing out the differences between the cases.

Regarding your response to my rhetorical "daughter" question: I simply asked: "Would you WANT that man near your family?" Just because you leave it up to a grown person to make their own decisions; doesn't mean you "want" it to be that way.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Exactly my point regarding evidence. That's why we have judge and jury. But evidence does not always equate to known fact. I am not saying Hardy is innocent at all. Just pointing out the differences between the cases.

Regarding your response to my rhetorical "daughter" question: I simply asked: "Would you WANT that man near your family?" Just because you leave it up to a grown person to make their own decisions; doesn't mean you "want" it to be that way.

Would depend on the situation. If I thought it was an isolated incident, I'd forgive. Its not the end of the world like some people make it out to be.

And, naturally, what I want really doesn't matter. I don't live my life or make decisions based strictly on what I want.

[WNC-Raven]

Can we all just agree no one should ever hit a woman and be done with it

[Bohica5]

Ha.....Be patient with flacco?.....jus make the play ur suppose to make and beat the teams we're suppose to beat for a change!....no more 2int's a game!!

[ellicottraven]

6 hours ago, WNC-Raven said:

Can we all just agree no one should ever hit a woman and be done with it

I think one should include children as well into the conversation. Beating up on women and children to me is the most reprehensible act any man can ever partake in. It should be condemned and the perpetrators should be severely punished.

[Maryland]

Glad SSS is calling out Hardy. I have never hated a professional sports player more than him. Guy can't even admit he did something wrong, like he has tricked himself into believing he is somehow innocent. Shows you how much Jerry Jones cares about character to have given this guy a second chance despite showing no remorse whatsoever.