My draft Nightmare

[KBoum]

He's not bad... he's good in run blocking but he doenst finish like Conklin or Tunsil. He doens't drive his legs that much when he got his hands on a defender he'll sometimes stop his feet. maybe he feels more under control that way but college defenders aren't nfl defenders and if you stop your feet you'll lose the point of attack.

 

His hips and pass blocking technique is really really smooth and good. but like Hortiz said, a mid round project to groom under Monroe and Castillo is probably the wiser thing right now because of the deep lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

[ALPHA]

Come to think of it a draft nightmare would be one like the 2010 draft, not one that doesn't have my favorite prospects.

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, KBoum said:

He's not bad... he's good in run blocking but he doenst finish like Conklin or Tunsil. He doens't drive his legs that much when he got his hands on a defender he'll sometimes stop his feet. maybe he feels more under control that way but college defenders aren't nfl defenders and if you stop your feet you'll lose the point of attack.

 

His hips and pass blocking technique is really really smooth and good. but like Hortiz said, a mid round project to groom under Monroe and Castillo is probably the wiser thing right now because of the deep lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

See, I don't agree with that statement either. We need couple pass rushers and linebacker but our secondary and D line now look solid. We'd need another good corner, maybe another good guy on our D line (plenty of those this time) but I certainly wouldn't describe the state of our defense this way.

[KBoum]

How can you say our secondary looks solid ? one of the worst pass defense I've seen. Weddle helps but isnt young, webb is unproved, wright... well I'm not his biggest fan. I think Davis might be the 2nd corner. Jimmy will play solid ball. Lewis isn't a starter imo. so they could add a safety in the 4th or 6th... I REALLY like Sean Davis in the 4th... probably our early pick.

 

I also like DeAndre Houston-Carson in the 6th maybe. They need a rangy safety who can play some man until Brooks proves me he can be the guy.

 

Adding a starting corner opposite of Jimmy would be huge as well or maybe a slot, Tavon Young, Harlan Miller, Murray in the 4th or Will Redmond in the 3rd. But they need 1 pass rusher (OLB or 5-tech) and 1 secondary player in the first 3 picks.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, KBoum said:

How can you say our secondary looks solid ? one of the worst pass defense I've seen. Weddle helps but isnt young, webb is unproved, wright... well I'm not his biggest fan. I think Davis might be the 2nd corner. Jimmy will play solid ball. Lewis isn't a starter imo. so they could add a safety in the 4th or 6th... I REALLY like Sean Davis in the 4th... probably our early pick.

I can, because healthy Jimmy Smith and Weddle will make lot of difference. Wright and Davis looked fine, Julian Willson will surprise lot of people. I still have hopes for Brooks and we'll draft DB early. That's solid in my book.

[KBoum]

The thing is you can't only take a look at next season. Webb and Arrington could be cap casualties. Weddle might give us 2 years. Jimmy will be what 30-31 ? In the pass happy NFL you can never have too many corners.

 

All I'M saying is they MUST draft a DB in the first 3 pick.

[rmw10]

22 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I can, because healthy Jimmy Smith and Weddle will make lot of difference. Wright and Davis looked fine, Julian Willson will surprise lot of people. I still have hopes for Brooks and we'll draft DB early. That's solid in my book.

Gotta disagree with this.  Jimmy and Weddle are the only guys I like, and Weddle isn't an incredibly long term option.  Wright looked good but I wouldn't count on him to keep that up entirely.  Davis has just over 1 game with us.  I would never count on a UDFA like Wilson.  CB in particular is still a very big need.

[allblackraven]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Gotta disagree with this.  Jimmy and Weddle are the only guys I like, and Weddle isn't an incredibly long term option.  Wright looked good but I wouldn't count on him to keep that up entirely.  Davis has just over 1 game with us.  I would never count on a UDFA like Wilson.  CB in particular is still a very big need.

Yes it is, that's why I said we'll draft one early. But I don't agree that our defense has deep lack of talent.

[rmw10]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Yes it is, that's why I said we'll draft one early. But I don't agree that our defense has deep lack of talent.

I'd say there are too many question marks to really say there's plenty of talent there.  I'm hopeful for some of these guys but no way do I trust them entirely just yet.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Gotta disagree with this.  Jimmy and Weddle are the only guys I like, and Weddle isn't an incredibly long term option.  Wright looked good but I wouldn't count on him to keep that up entirely.  Davis has just over 1 game with us.  I would never count on a UDFA like Wilson.  CB in particular is still a very big need.

 

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Yes it is, that's why I said we'll draft one early. But I don't agree that our defense has deep lack of talent.

We will take a pass rusher and a CB with two of our first three picks. Not sure what that other pick will be, but if you don't get a pass rusher you like at #6, then I see a CB being taken and vice versa. They [CB & pass rusher] feed off of each other, and they were both areas of weakness last year. Legitimately our first three picks could easily go OLB, CB, LB (coverage) and it would make a ton of sense and probably be BPA as well.

[rmw10]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

 

We will take a pass rusher and a CB with two of our first three picks. Not sure what that other pick will be, but if you don't get a pass rusher you like at #6, then I see a CB being taken and vice versa. They [CB & pass rusher] feed off of each other, and they were both areas of weakness last year. Legitimately our first three picks could easily go OLB, CB, LB (coverage) and it would make a ton of sense and probably be BPA as well.

Yeah I'd be very surprised if the first 2, if not 3, picks are all on the defensive side.  The only way I don't see if going that was is if there's some absurd talent still available.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

We will take a pass rusher and a CB with two of our first three picks. Not sure what that other pick will be, but if you don't get a pass rusher you like at #6, then I see a CB being taken and vice versa. They [CB & pass rusher] feed off of each other, and they were both areas of weakness last year. Legitimately our first three picks could easily go OLB, CB, LB (coverage) and it would make a ton of sense and probably be BPA as well.

That's how I see it pan out most likely. Pass rusher and CB for sure but I'm not discounting Stanley in 1st round either.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah I'd be very surprised if the first 2, if not 3, picks are all on the defensive side.  The only way I don't see if going that was is if there's some absurd talent still available.

Agreed. It would take the prospect equivalent of the Messiah to not take one of those. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we got Hargreaves then went with a guy like Rankins if he's there in the 2nd. He is a pass rusher and I could see that work out well for us, but a 3rd round pick would probably be a LB, honestly. I think it will be hard to not go need early because we frankly have some large concerns at these positions. Ozzie has largely ignored the CB position for years, and I know Steve wants a pass rusher. I think we change up our strategy this year. 

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

That's how I see it pan out most likely. Pass rusher and CB for sure but I'm not discounting Stanley in 1st round either.

I wouldn't rule out Stanley, but I doubt he is a pick unless we trade back and the top-4 defensive guys are gone. 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Agreed. It would take the prospect equivalent of the Messiah to not take one of those. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we got Hargreaves then went with a guy like Rankins if he's there in the 2nd. He is a pass rusher and I could see that work out well for us, but a 3rd round pick would probably be a LB, honestly. I think it will be hard to not go need early because we frankly have some large concerns at these positions. Ozzie has largely ignored the CB position for years, and I know Steve wants a pass rusher. I think we change up our strategy this year. 

I wouldn't rule out Stanley, but I doubt he is a pick unless we trade back and the top-4 defensive guys are gone. 

I don't think Ravens will value Buckner or VH3 higher than Stanley - maybe top 3?

[rmw10]

34 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Agreed. It would take the prospect equivalent of the Messiah to not take one of those. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we got Hargreaves then went with a guy like Rankins if he's there in the 2nd. He is a pass rusher and I could see that work out well for us, but a 3rd round pick would probably be a LB, honestly. I think it will be hard to not go need early because we frankly have some large concerns at these positions. Ozzie has largely ignored the CB position for years, and I know Steve wants a pass rusher. I think we change up our strategy this year. 

I wouldn't rule out Stanley, but I doubt he is a pick unless we trade back and the top-4 defensive guys are gone. 

Of course it may be a smoke screen, but the presser made it seem like we'd take Hargreaves if the top 3 defensive guys are gone (I don't think they consider Buckner one).  If not, it sounds like round 2 is the money round at CB.

[KBoum]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Of course it may be a smoke screen, but the presser made it seem like we'd take Hargreaves if the top 3 defensive guys are gone (I don't think they consider Buckner one).  If not, it sounds like round 2 is the money round at CB.

exactly what I saw. they said number of time the playmaking ability and talked about interceptions

[KBoum]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Agreed. It would take the prospect equivalent of the Messiah to not take one of those. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we got Hargreaves then went with a guy like Rankins if he's there in the 2nd. He is a pass rusher and I could see that work out well for us, but a 3rd round pick would probably be a LB, honestly. I think it will be hard to not go need early because we frankly have some large concerns at these positions. Ozzie has largely ignored the CB position for years, and I know Steve wants a pass rusher. I think we change up our strategy this year. 

I wouldn't rule out Stanley, but I doubt he is a pick unless we trade back and the top-4 defensive guys are gone. 

thats exactly what I see in the first 3 picks, 1 pass rusher (OLB or 5-tech) + 1 DB (man to man abilities). lots of combinations :

VH3 + Spence/Fackrell/Rankins/Chris Jones/Bullard etc. can 

Bosa + Alexander/Fuller/Redmond 

 

I see the third player (not necessary the 3d pick) being maybe OL (Spriggs, Idefi, Clark, Westerman, Tuerk, Martin) or WR (Shepard, Thomas, Boyd)

But woulnt surprise me at all to see first 3 picks on the defensive side and getting some players on the offense in the long 4th round.

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Rankins if he's there in the 2nd.

If Rankins is there round 2... man I would be pumped

[Inqui]

Just now, 52520Andrew said:

If Rankins is there round 2... man I would be pumped

There are some absolute monsters on the DL that I'd love for us to take with our second. It wouldn't surprise me if one of our top three picks were DL.

[52520Andrew]

2 minutes ago, Inqui said:

There are some absolute monsters on the DL that I'd love for us to take with our second. It wouldn't surprise me if one of our top three picks were DL.

Such a great class at the position this year

[balfan23]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

We will take a pass rusher and a CB with two of our first three picks. Not sure what that other pick will be, but if you don't get a pass rusher you like at #6, then I see a CB being taken and vice versa. They [CB & pass rusher] feed off of each other, and they were both areas of weakness last year. Legitimately our first three picks could easily go OLB, CB, LB (coverage) and it would make a ton of sense and probably be BPA as well.

i have to think it is going to be o line. 

[GrimCoconut]

11 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I don't think Ravens will value Buckner or VH3 higher than Stanley - maybe top 3?

I do. The thing is that Castillo is involved in selecting OL, so I do believe we may value them higher than Stanley. I think we may start targeting more mid-round OL than ever before because there's less bust-factor with them and Castillo has done very well developing those talents throughout his career. We have dire needs on defense. 

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Of course it may be a smoke screen, but the presser made it seem like we'd take Hargreaves if the top 3 defensive guys are gone (I don't think they consider Buckner one).  If not, it sounds like round 2 is the money round at CB.

I agree. We seemed to suggest the need to take a CB early, and we are right because they will fly off the board.

9 hours ago, KBoum said:

thats exactly what I see in the first 3 picks, 1 pass rusher (OLB or 5-tech) + 1 DB (man to man abilities). lots of combinations :

VH3 + Spence/Fackrell/Rankins/Chris Jones/Bullard etc. can 

Bosa + Alexander/Fuller/Redmond 

 

I see the third player (not necessary the 3d pick) being maybe OL (Spriggs, Idefi, Clark, Westerman, Tuerk, Martin) or WR (Shepard, Thomas, Boyd)

But woulnt surprise me at all to see first 3 picks on the defensive side and getting some players on the offense in the long 4th round.

Our first pick will be Hargreaves, IMO, if it's between him and Buckkner unless we think Buckner is another JJ Watt. I think CB is the likeliest pick, personally. 

9 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

If Rankins is there round 2... man I would be pumped

Yeah, no joke. He would be able to apply quite a bit of pressure. I remember reading that teams are a bit worried about him in terms of scheme fit, so maybe he falls. 

9 hours ago, Inqui said:

There are some absolute monsters on the DL that I'd love for us to take with our second. It wouldn't surprise me if one of our top three picks were DL.

Yes. We talked about this, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we went OLB | DL | CB with our first three picks. Butler is a guy I really like for us. He would be a nice fit. 

8 hours ago, balfan23 said:

i have to think it is going to be o line. 

It could be, but it could also be DL as well due to the stacked DL class, or we could go with a RB depending on who is there or even a WR. I think we are likeliest to take an OL in the mid-rounds, so a 3rd is possible, but so is a 4th. I think that 3rd round pick goes to whoever is really BPA unless we haven't taken one of a CB or pass rusher by then, in which case one of those positions will be taken with the 3rd. 

[ravensdan]

How about taking Jack and he's not really clear medically. I think it should be a bigger concern he has yet to run. That's a big issue in my book for a top ten prospect. 

[trevorsteadman]

28 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

How about taking Jack and he's not really clear medically. I think it should be a bigger concern he has yet to run. That's a big issue in my book for a top ten prospect. 

He has made progress and has said he is 85% and is running drills and such now. I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about Jaylon Smith. Everyone is so obsessed with drafting him when he may never be himself ever again with the nerve damage.

[ravensdan]

54 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

He has made progress and has said he is 85% and is running drills and such now. I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about Jaylon Smith. Everyone is so obsessed with drafting him when he may never be himself ever again with the nerve damage.

Yeah it is very clear Jaylon is a huge risk.  But Jack should also be considered a risk and not get an automatic pass. There's huge questions to me for #6

[JoeyFlex5]

10 hours ago, ravensdan said:

How about taking Jack and he's not really clear medically. I think it should be a bigger concern he has yet to run. That's a big issue in my book for a top ten prospect. 

Torn meniscus isn't a problem unless he does something dumb like try to run and cut on it before it's healed. It hasn't even been a year and he likely has been advised by his agent and insurance providers that he is not allowed to operate outside of a certain timeline. I wouldn't be concerned until a medical check comes back that says he isn't right. 

[ravensdan]

On April 11, 2016 at 8:03 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Torn meniscus isn't a problem unless he does something dumb like try to run and cut on it before it's healed. It hasn't even been a year and he likely has been advised by his agent and insurance providers that he is not allowed to operate outside of a certain timeline. I wouldn't be concerned until a medical check comes back that says he isn't right. 

Im just saying. We're at 6 not 26 or even 16. There's a risk there imho. If there is no risk it seems like he should at least have run at the pro day so long after the injury. Idk. It's a concern to me. And I've seen these crazy comparisons saying this guy is a "faster Ray Lewis". That is just unfair to this kid. We're talking a hof talent with goat lb upside?  That's getting crazy IMO.