My draft Nightmare

[Winchester]

20 hours ago, PimpDaddyGrimes said:

Oh yeah I know it wont happen but if it did we would be screwed realistically its picking Stanley. I like Buckner not my favorite but I like him I would be fine taking him Just not Ronnie Stanley not a fan of him at all

Why not a fan of Ron Stanley?? Because you heard he is not nasty?? You hear he plays like he is not so passionate?? The pro analysts are finally loaned an eye and finally say he is a very stout run blocker. Tunsil may play more agressive but intensity is not the same as strength.  Not even close!! IT just helps the player impose his power. Tunsil gives max aggression and intensity yet Ron Stanley is a little more stout and effective of a run blocker than Tunsil cuz of his natural stout anchor. And Ron Stanley has far more upside than Tunsil because Ron Stanley's upper body has some maturing to do. And since he is through college now he will turn his attention to football and the weightroom. His lower body is gifted and blessed with natural strength and athleticism. When he adds some muscle to his upper body while leaning out a little he is going to be a 6'6 320lb freak at left tackle. With 36" arms and rare speed athleticism balance and intelligence. Cuz of his balance athleticism and anchor is is equally effective keeping distance from the lineman or getting in his body and controlling him. He plays with pride and turns up the intensitynfor challenges confronting elite defensive players. He dominated Leonard Williams and was clearly more intense!! And He will hit the weightroom to get stronger and leaner to win his confrontations with elite players in the nfl. However he could be drafted top 5. If Tunsil is drafted by the titans the jags could draft Ron Stanley. Scouts and are finally realizing he is not weak. And a mean streak is not the same as strength and stout. And the idea he needs more strength is being debunked!! While he can add muscle and power to totally dominate he is by far  not a rag doll!! And with his natural good anchor he will play that much stronger when he hits an nfl strength and conditioning program and puts on 12-- 16 lbs of muscle. Now that football and the weightroom is his primary priority Now that he has graduated. Tunsils body is maxxed yet Ron Stanley has a stronger  natural anchor. Ron Stanley has upside, athleticism, balance,intelligence and length. Ron Stanley round1 then Jaylon Smith round2 could be Ogden Lewis again. Although there are different options in round2.

[Kinda_Dante]

For me when I watched Stanley's games I felt like he had really good pass pro but he didn't finish blocks like he should in the run game. Also you're assuming that he would focus on the weight room now that he's out of school because there are a lot of players that never focus. I'm not saying that he wouldn't focus but right now that's just an assumption. For me the main reason I don't want to pick him is not so much because I don't belive he could be a good left tackle, but because I feel like if we pick him we would be leaving much better players on the board. 

[KBoum]

First, How can you say Tunsil body is maxxed ?

Second, If Jaylons Smith knee has nerve damage, no team is going to touch him before the 4th

Third, if a player rated top 10 isnT focused and wasnt focused on football in college, what makes you think he'll do that in the pros ?

 

I would need to see/hear the interviews with Stanley before I pick him because right now he's not in my top 6

Edited April 6, 2016 by KBoum

[trevorsteadman]

My draft nightmare is if we draft any player in the first round and they are out their entire rookie season (Dante Fowler, Breshad Perriman, Kevin White). 

[Kinda_Dante]

12 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

My draft nightmare is if we draft any player in the first round and they are out their entire rookie season (Dante Fowler, Breshad Perriman, Kevin White). 

TRUE!!!!!

[52520Andrew]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Turned out OK? Was that intentional lol? I think Kuechly is the best MLB/ILB in the entire NFL and second place isn't even close. I watched a bit of him at BC and he always had that killer instinct and solid tackling, but now at the pro level he commands the front 7, clogs running lanes, blitzes very well, and simply makes plays all over the field. He is a ball magnet, which I actually see Jack turning into as well, so I hope we land him! 

Yeah that was sarcasm on the Kuechly front I am sure. Do love me some Jack as well

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, KBoum said:

First, How can you say Tunsil body is maxxed ?

Second, If Jaylons Smith knee has nerve damage, no team is going to touch him before the 4th

Third, if a player rated top 10 isnT focused and wasnt focused on football in college, what makes you think he'll do that in the pros ?

 

I would need to see/hear the interviews with Stanley before I pick him because right now he's not in my top 6

Tunsil is not putting on much muscle without overbulking. Jaylons knee is an if. Ron Stanley is a real college student with a real degree. Not an athlete who happens to go to classes. He clearly cranked up the intensity several notches when he dominated Leonard Williams. So football is important  to him. A challenge excited him and he wanted to win the confrontation. So he will work in the nfl and hit the weightroom.  So he has shown work ethic and competitiveness. I agree his interview is necessary to draft him. I understand there is much to prove about his game. But same can be said about your top6 players. Buckner I do not like very much. Boss I'm a fan but he has not checked the boxes. Hargreaves was toasted. There is more excuses for Ramsey not making big plays than big plays. Jack is not penciled in as the next Patrick Willis or even Luke Kuechly. He is the safest player next to Tunsil. The best player in this draft Nkemdiche has character drama. You could make a case Ron Stanley is as good a player as any in the draft. He holds blocks is athletic intelligent has balance long arms and although he could use some muscle he shows a very stout anchor.  More so than Tunsil. His only question is will he turn his attention to weightroom after his graduation.  My opinion he really will. He showed work ethic to get his degree when it us not really necessary. And he shows pride in his play when he turned up the intensity to dominate his confrontation with Leonard Williams. 

[Kinda_Dante]

33 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Tunsil is not putting on much muscle without overbulking. Jaylons knee is an if. Ron Stanley is a real college student with a real degree. Not an athlete who happens to go to classes. He clearly cranked up the intensity several notches when he dominated Leonard Williams. So football is important  to him. A challenge excited him and he wanted to win the confrontation. So he will work in the nfl and hit the weightroom.  So he has shown work ethic and competitiveness. I agree his interview is necessary to draft him. I understand there is much to prove about his game. But same can be said about your top6 players. Buckner I do not like very much. Boss I'm a fan but he has not checked the boxes. Hargreaves was toasted. There is more excuses for Ramsey not making big plays than big plays. Jack is not penciled in as the next Patrick Willis or even Luke Kuechly. He is the safest player next to Tunsil. The best player in this draft Nkemdiche has character drama. You could make a case Ron Stanley is as good a player as any in the draft. He holds blocks is athletic intelligent has balance long arms and although he could use some muscle he shows a very stout anchor.  More so than Tunsil. His only question is will he turn his attention to weightroom after his graduation.  My opinion he really will. He showed work ethic to get his degree when it us not really necessary. And he shows pride in his play when he turned up the intensity to dominate his confrontation with Leonard Williams. 

You keep going back to one game against one player. Do you have any other examples of him "turning up his intensity"?

[KentuckyProud]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

Tunsil is not putting on much muscle without overbulking. Jaylons knee is an if. Ron Stanley is a real college student with a real degree. Not an athlete who happens to go to classes. He clearly cranked up the intensity several notches when he dominated Leonard Williams. So football is important  to him. A challenge excited him and he wanted to win the confrontation. So he will work in the nfl and hit the weightroom.  So he has shown work ethic and competitiveness. I agree his interview is necessary to draft him. I understand there is much to prove about his game. But same can be said about your top6 players. Buckner I do not like very much. Boss I'm a fan but he has not checked the boxes. Hargreaves was toasted. There is more excuses for Ramsey not making big plays than big plays. Jack is not penciled in as the next Patrick Willis or even Luke Kuechly. He is the safest player next to Tunsil. The best player in this draft Nkemdiche has character drama. You could make a case Ron Stanley is as good a player as any in the draft. He holds blocks is athletic intelligent has balance long arms and although he could use some muscle he shows a very stout anchor.  More so than Tunsil. His only question is will he turn his attention to weightroom after his graduation.  My opinion he really will. He showed work ethic to get his degree when it us not really necessary. And he shows pride in his play when he turned up the intensity to dominate his confrontation with Leonard Williams. 

You must be his agent cause you're all-in on Stanley and many seem to still disagree

[YorkCountyRaven]

On April 4, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Somerset Ravens said:

Round 1.   Ronnie Stanley

Round 2.   Jaylon Smith

Round 3.   Braxton Miller

That would be horrible

[YorkCountyRaven]

4 hours ago, Winchester said:

Tunsil is not putting on much muscle without overbulking. Jaylons knee is an if. Ron Stanley is a real college student with a real degree. Not an athlete who happens to go to classes. He clearly cranked up the intensity several notches when he dominated Leonard Williams. So football is important  to him. A challenge excited him and he wanted to win the confrontation. So he will work in the nfl and hit the weightroom.  So he has shown work ethic and competitiveness. I agree his interview is necessary to draft him. I understand there is much to prove about his game. But same can be said about your top6 players. Buckner I do not like very much. Boss I'm a fan but he has not checked the boxes. Hargreaves was toasted. There is more excuses for Ramsey not making big plays than big plays. Jack is not penciled in as the next Patrick Willis or even Luke Kuechly. He is the safest player next to Tunsil. The best player in this draft Nkemdiche has character drama. You could make a case Ron Stanley is as good a player as any in the draft. He holds blocks is athletic intelligent has balance long arms and although he could use some muscle he shows a very stout anchor.  More so than Tunsil. His only question is will he turn his attention to weightroom after his graduation.  My opinion he really will. He showed work ethic to get his degree when it us not really necessary. And he shows pride in his play when he turned up the intensity to dominate his confrontation with Leonard Williams. 

Tunsil will have a better career than Stanley... Unless he gets drafted by the browns. Because... who has a good career in Cleveland anymore....

[ALPHA]

3 hours ago, YorkCountyRaven said:

Tunsil will have a better career than Stanley... Unless he gets drafted by the browns. Because... who has a good career in Cleveland anymore....

Olinemen aren't affected by the curse. 

[GrimCoconut]

The Joey Bosa thread here. Go read it.

[Winchester]

12 hours ago, KentuckyProud said:

You must be his agent cause you're all-in on Stanley and many seem to still disagree

Many disagreed when I said Upshaw would be a loser. And Darby would be the best cornerback in the draft.  Could care less bout his pay in the nfl. Most do not want Stanley cuz ravens fans think the team has to win with defense and thinks the ravens are close to being a dominant defense like 2000. And watched defense win the superbowl and it is their fad. But a closer look and panther oline was trash. Even bronco defense would noted that against an elite oline. I prefer an oline that can punch a dominant defense back in their mouth, allow qb and receivers to work any route concept with time to get open against elite defenses,and allow evennagerage running backs to run wild. Thus allowing the offense to play ball control and hit big plays and finish games the methodical drives  And TDs.

15 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

You keep going back to one game against one player. Do you have any other examples of him "turning up his intensity"?

He  stopped Shaq Lawsons charge effortlessly  like he is a cheerleader. He is as athletic as Tunsil with upside and has a more naturally stout anchor. Tunsil was pushed a little by Carl Lawson. I do believe He will hit the weightroom hard in the nfl. And ravens maulers like Jensen Yanda and Urschel will rub off on him and he will begin to use his stout anchor big frame long arms, balance, athleticism and intelligence to its fullest potential.

[usmccharles]

54 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Many disagreed when I said Upshaw would be a loser. And Darby would be the best cornerback in the draft.  Could care less bout his pay in the nfl. Most do not want Stanley cuz ravens fans think the team has to win with defense and thinks the ravens are close to being a dominant defense like 2000. And watched defense win the superbowl and it is their fad. But a closer look and panther oline was trash. Even bronco defense would noted that against an elite oline. I prefer an oline that can punch a dominant defense back in their mouth, allow qb and receivers to work any route concept with time to get open against elite defenses,and allow evennagerage running backs to run wild. Thus allowing the offense to play ball control and hit big plays and finish games the methodical drives  And TDs.

Think your being a little over dramatic, pretty sure no one here thinks we are close to being a dominant defense like 2000, most of us just want a defense that can hold leads.  

Stanley is who I would be least excited about at 6, but I would understand the pick.  I have heard numerous critics say that the gap between Tunsil and Stanley isn't as big as people think.  He would definitely fill a need, but most people want a instant game changer, I don't think Stanley would do that from day one.   

Edited April 7, 2016 by usmccharles

[allblackraven]

35 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Think your being a little over dramatic, pretty sure no one here thinks we are close to being a dominant defense like 2000, most of us just want a defense that can hold leads.  

Stanley is who I would be least excited about at 6, but I would understand the pick.  I have heard numerous critics say that the gap between Tunsil and Stanley isn't as big as people think.  He would definitely fill a need, but most people want a instant game changer, I don't think Stanley would do that from day one.   

Considering what we had at left tackle last year, he might be a big game changer in 2016 and next 10 years. Interceptions and sacks aren't the only plays that change the game. Flacco with time to throw might be the single biggest play making option for us.

[gabrielgrissom]

On Tuesday, April 05, 2016 at 8:32 PM, ArsenalRaven666 said:

If we traded down in the 1st round to gain another 2nd I would take  Jaylon Smith with the lower one.

He is currently ranging to be going anywhere from end of 1st to some mocks in the 4th ... Really will come down down to how his knee is.

I dont See him slipping past tampa At 39 they Have kwon and lavonte and an aging daryl Smith. After that a bunch of no ones... He needs a team that doesnt Need him right away.

[gabrielgrissom]

18 hours ago, Winchester said:

Tunsil is not putting on much muscle without overbking. Jaylons knee is an if. Rotun Stanley is a real college student with a real degree. Not an athlete who happens to go to classes. He clearly cranked up the intensity several notches when he dominated Leonard Williams. So football is important  to him. A challenge excited him and he wanted to win the confrontation. So he will work in the nfl and hit the weightroom.  So he has shown work ethic and competitiveness. I agree his interview is necessary to draft him. I understand there is much to prove about his game. But same can be said about your top6 players. Buckner I do not like very much. Boss I'm a fan but he has not checked the boxes. Hargreaves was toasted. There is more excuses for Ramsey not making big plays than big plays. Jack is not penciled in as the next Patrick Willis or even Luke Kuechly. He is the safest player next to Tunsil. The best player in this draft Nkemdiche has character drama. You could make a case Ron Stanley is as good a player as any in the draft. He holds blocks is athletic intelligent has balance long arms and although he could use some muscle he shows a very stout anchor.  More so than Tunsil. His only question is will he turn his attention to weightroom after his graduation.  My opinion he really will. He showed work ethic to get his degree when it us not really necessary. And he shows pride in his play when he turned up the intensity to dominate his confrontation with Leonard Williams. 

We argued so many times during the season about u talking about how much we need tuNsil. come on dude

[usmccharles]

33 minutes ago, gabrielgrissom said:

We argued so many times during the season about u talking about how much we need tuNsil. come on dude

I was wandering about that, now he seems to switch over to Stanley because we have a chance of getting him....or his sources telling him Tunsil is roided out

 

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Considering what we had at left tackle last year, he might be a big game changer in 2016 and next 10 years. Interceptions and sacks aren't the only plays that change the game. Flacco with time to throw might be the single biggest play making option for us.

Valid point.  Im ok with Stanley like I said...just not my first choice.

Tunsil- QB- Ramsey- Bosa- Jack- That's how I see it going.  So between Buckner, VH3, and Stanley: Stanley would be the one I least want.  Although, as good as we are at developing DL it makes me wary of taking DL that high. 

[Inqui]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Considering what we had at left tackle last year, he might be a big game changer in 2016 and next 10 years. Interceptions and sacks aren't the only plays that change the game. Flacco with time to throw might be the single biggest play making option for us.

Not to mention quick footwork for a QB's blind side becoming more important not that speed rushers are the new trend

[KentuckyProud]

I actually had a nightmare that the Ravens took Yannick Ngakoue at 6...

[trevorsteadman]

16 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Olinemen aren't affected by the curse. 

Yeah quite a few O-linemen do well in Cleveland. They just end up leaving shortly after because they can't win games.They have had a lot of the highest rated 0-linemen there the last few years. Which proves they need an upgrade at quarterback.

[jboy19]

My worst draft nightmares would be Stanley (See him as a Joeckel-type), Ragland (Think he is a two-down player), and Elliott (Not at 6 at least) or Henry (Don't see him being successful in the NFL). I like Buckner, but I think taking him at 6 is not ideal. 

[ravensnj]

On 4/4/2016 at 2:39 PM, 52520Andrew said:

My nightmare is Ragland 6 and Henry in the second. 

I agree, they are both way over rated. 

Also, Christian McCaffery should have won the Heisman.

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, gabrielgrissom said:

We argued so many times during the season about u talking about how much we need tuNsil. come on dude

It was before I really watched Stanley or learned Tunsil is roided which means Stanley has more upside. Ron Stanley is a an actual college student working on a real degree.  He will hit the weightroom harder and be an even better athlete as well as build on his already stout anchor. Not to mention learn to be nasty from ravens linemates.

[Somerset Ravens]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

It was before I really watched Stanley or learned Tunsil is roided which means Stanley has more upside. Ron Stanley is a an actual college student working on a real degree.  He will hit the weightroom harder and be an even better athlete as well as build on his already stout anchor. Not to mention learn to be nasty from ravens linemates.

Are you related to Stanley ?

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

It was before I really watched Stanley or learned Tunsil is roided which means Stanley has more upside. Ron Stanley is a an actual college student working on a real degree.  He will hit the weightroom harder and be an even better athlete as well as build on his already stout anchor. Not to mention learn to be nasty from ravens linemates.

Not to mention he has talked to family members about how he doesn't have the desire for football he used to... Meaning he may retire a year or two into the league and not put as much effort in the weight room for his NFL career. We already have an issue with Urschel talking about his math career and that he may leave the NFL to preserve it if it gets to that point and he gets another concussion or two. Tunsil is the best tackle in this draft hands down. Does that make Ronnie Stanley a bad player? Of course not. If Tunsil was not in this draft I'm sure Stanley would be talked about as a higher pick. Both will be great players at their position if they dedicate time in the weight room to the NFL. Tunsil is the highest talked about OT coming out since Tyron Smith and has been compared to Johnathan Ogden. We get you think Ronnie Stanley is good but it is allowed to like more than one player at each position. No need to bring down one player to bring another one up. There has been some legitamate concerns with Stanley during the offseason process which has caused his stock to drop. Just because most people have him as the #2 OT in this class doesn't make him a bad player. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think we're going offense early, honestly. I think this team is targeting a defensive playmaker. I agree with the LFW column today and felt for some time we will take a mid-round LT to groom behind Monroe since that's what Castillo seems to be good at doing. 

[RayRocks]

The reason I don't think Stanley would be the pick under any circumstance except maybe a trade back, is I don't think he's really the right player for our system.

He's a very good pass protector, and an average (at best) run blocker.  However, I don't think his run blocking style fits the zone scheme at all.  He would do alright in a power system even though he's not that powerful because it just requires him to block the guy in front of him.  Zone schemes require more nimble feet, and that actually stuck out to me as one of his worst qualities.

[allblackraven]

29 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

The reason I don't think Stanley would be the pick under any circumstance except maybe a trade back, is I don't think he's really the right player for our system.

He's a very good pass protector, and an average (at best) run blocker.  However, I don't think his run blocking style fits the zone scheme at all.  He would do alright in a power system even though he's not that powerful because it just requires him to block the guy in front of him.  Zone schemes require more nimble feet, and that actually stuck out to me as one of his worst qualities.

This can't be farther from truth. He is very good actually as a run blocker and is the best college LT in last 5 years as far as footwork goes.

People who take CBS draft rankings for granted should really watch some games/tape on prospects.