[News] DeForest Buckner Would Help Ravens Regain Defensive Identity

[BR News]

NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah thinks the massive defensive end from Oregon would be a great fit in Baltimore.

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[BmoreB]

That sounds good and all but we'll be drafting Bosa.

[757RavensFan]

In order, my top defensive picks are; Ramsey, Jack, Buckner and Hargreaves.  

Without trading up (which won't happen), we'll never get Ramsey, so I'll be happy w/ the Buckner pick. 

[dirtybird66]

I love BUCKNER and in most scenerio's and mock draft's,he fall's to us.and that would be fine with me.it's been said that he is twice the player of CALIAS CAMBPELL and ARIK ARMISTEAD.if BUCKNER just work's alittle on his CORE streanghth and getting lower leverage,which he can do,because he's sooo,coachable.i really love MYLES JACK and i really love BUCKNER.then i hope we can somehow grab WILLIAM JACKSON III..

[budkretz]

I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

[757RavensFan]

8 minutes ago, budkretz said:

I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

Sorry, that scenario will never happen and If it did, the Rams GM should be fired.  

Edited April 4, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[dirtybird66]

I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

yeah,i'm not opposed to trade back,but we alway's get mid to late round pick's,very good,but not the BLUE CHIPPER'S we really need,the more i look at it,the more i'd like to stay at #6.i don't like BOSA and it looks like he doesnt want to play here anyway.it's just very exciting,i can't wait.even without trading back,its still like we have 3 first rounders,with,whomever we get at 6,PERRIMAN if he holds up and and the 36 pick,our front office has done a fabulous job in free agency so whateber happen's,we're set up nicely.in the word's of BART SCOTT,"CAN'T WAIT!!!

[dirtybird66]

in the famous word's of BART SCOTT,'CAN'T WAIT"!!!!

[TorryGundy]

He would be my pick hands down! Talk about Game Changer. Most of our big Sack numbers come from the OLB's and then Blitzers either from the Secondary or MLB's. Having the ability to Get pressure from our 5 technique and our three technique if we had Buckner and Jernigan on the same line would be amazing

[ellicottraven]

i think he would be a great pick, but I am not sure he'll be available either. I also expect the Browns to go Moneyball on the NFL and not pick the franchise QB the world knows they need and pick somebody we've never heard of or even pick Aguayo the kicker at #2 (praying for that outcome)! Or maybe they just screw us by picking Ramsey, Bosa, Jack or Buckner.

Edited April 4, 2016 by ellicottraven

[billiejean]

  34 minutes ago, budkretz said:

I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

yeah,i'm not opposed to trade back,but we alway's get mid to late round pick's,very good,but not the BLUE CHIPPER'S we really need,the more i look at it,the more i'd like to stay at #6.i don't like BOSA and it looks like he doesnt want to play here anyway.it's just very exciting,i can't wait.even without trading back,its still like we have 3 first rounders,with,whomever we get at 6,PERRIMAN if he holds up and and the 36 pick,our front office has done a fabulous job in free agency so whateber happen's,we're set up nicely.in the word's of BART SCOTT,"CAN'T WAIT!!!

"it looks like he doesnt want to play here anyway"

that was an April Fools trick

[dirtybird66]

DEFOREST BUCKNER is the bigger,faster,stronger HALOTI NGATA.

[budkretz]

  1 hour ago, budkretz said:

I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

Sorry, that scenario will never happen and If it did, the Rams GM should be fired.  

Assuming the Browns take a QB at #2 and Kapernik goes to Den then the 49ers will likely take a qb at #7. So if the Rams really want a qb - Goff or Wentz they have to get ahead of the 49ers where we are at 6 and if the 4 are off the board then see what the Rams will do. You know you trades the ones. onthe point chart it's 650 points and picks 43 and 45 = 800. So maybe we give them a 4th. It's just how bad do the Rams want the 2nd best qb. Remember the trade for RGIII. If this doesn't come about we still likely pick Jack or Hargreaves. The Ravens are in a good position and we should see 2 to3 draft picks that jump in and help the Ravens this year.

[ravens4life86]

Buckner is an option I wouldnt be mad at..
But there are more dynamic players and fits for Ravens.
Ramsey,Bosa,Jack..the 3 big names.. but dont rule out Shaq Lawson of Clemson.. Ive seen him linked to Ravens, A Terrell Suggs semi Clone, beast pass rusher, but equally great run defender. Or arguably best pass rusher in draft..Noah Spence

[budkretz]

  1 hour ago, budkretz said:

I agree. My top four are 1. Ramsey 2. Buckner 3. Bosa 4. Tunsil. 9 i can't see Ramsey falling to our pick, Buckner is more likely especially if SD don't grab him.
If these four are gone I'd trade back if possible. If any of these four are on the board we take the pick. If not then the pick would be either Jack or Hargreaves. Looking at a trade , we aren't taking a QB and since enough teams need one a trade back is quite possible. I'd like to trade with Rams for their pick #15 and their two 2's (43 and 45). if this happens we have picks 15, 36, 43 and 45. We could get the parts we are missing (pass rusher, CB, tackle and , ILB) and they should be immediate starters or part of a rotation .

Ramsey and Buckner are stars in the making. I see Buckner as another Michael McCreary. He would sure add to an already good DL.

yeah,i'm not opposed to trade back,but we alway's get mid to late round pick's,very good,but not the BLUE CHIPPER'S we really need,the more i look at it,the more i'd like to stay at #6.i don't like BOSA and it looks like he doesnt want to play here anyway.it's just very exciting,i can't wait.even without trading back,its still like we have 3 first rounders,with,whomever we get at 6,PERRIMAN if he holds up and and the 36 pick,our front office has done a fabulous job in free agency so whateber happen's,we're set up nicely.in the word's of BART SCOTT,"CAN'T WAIT!!!

the big difference is that this year our picks are in the top 7 of each round (except for comp picks) which means in round two we get PICK # 36 instead of #58. In round #3 we get 70 instead of 90. Those twenty or so slots should mean a much better player. Without any trades we get four picks in the first 104 draft picks. If 3 out of 4 are starters and one is a "star" we'll be talking deep playoffs next two years.

[rmcjacket23]

24 minutes ago, budkretz said:

Assuming the Browns take a QB at #2 and Kapernik goes to Den then the 49ers will likely take a qb at #7. So if the Rams really want a qb - Goff or Wentz they have to get ahead of the 49ers where we are at 6 and if the 4 are off the board then see what the Rams will do. You know you trades the ones. onthe point chart it's 650 points and picks 43 and 45 = 800. So maybe we give them a 4th. It's just how bad do the Rams want the 2nd best qb. Remember the trade for RGIII. If this doesn't come about we still likely pick Jack or Hargreaves. The Ravens are in a good position and we should see 2 to3 draft picks that jump in and help the Ravens this year.

Implies that the Rams have any interest in a first round QB in this draft to begin with, which is speculation at its best.

Remember... these QB prospects are generally considered among the weaker one's we've seen in quite some time. If the Rams really liked somebody and were willing to give up a first and two seconds to come up, they might as well just move all the way up to #1 and guarantee they get the guy they want.

It would also be far easier for SF to move up than the Rams if SF wanted a QB. SF could trade up to like the #4-6 range without giving up very much to do it.

The trade value chart also isn't a great guideline. Its sort of an estimated baseline at best. Should be taken with a grain of salt.

[balfan23]

Sentiment has clearly shifted in the mocks from Stanley to Buckner as the Ravens most likely player. To me this shift indicates both that Stanley is not someone we'd view as worthy of the #6 pick and that Ramsey, Jack and Bosa are all expected to go ahead of Buckner and go in the top 5.

[balfan23]

31 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Buckner is an option I wouldnt be mad at..
But there are more dynamic players and fits for Ravens.
Ramsey,Bosa,Jack..the 3 big names.. but dont rule out Shaq Lawson of Clemson.. Ive seen him linked to Ravens, A Terrell Suggs semi Clone, beast pass rusher, but equally great run defender. Or arguably best pass rusher in draft..Noah Spence

I think the mock of Buckner to us assumes that the more dynamic players you mention: Ramsey, Bosa and Jack are all gone before we pick (for precisely that reason). I think I'd prefer any of those 3 over Buckner, but unless we want to trade up (which will be a surprise) we're just going to sit and wait to see who falls and most seem to believe that will be Buckner.

I've wondered about Lawson too ... I don't know if we would pick him over Buckner or if we'd be willing to try and find a trade partner not too far back (assuming one even would exist) and would try to grab Lawson there and pick up a couple picks. I've seem Lawson slipping - in some cases significantly - in some of these mocks. I'm not sure what is at play there. 

[n#7]

Can't go wrong with Bosa or Buckner. Would love to see them go back to a legit 4/3 with two beefcakes in the middle(Jernigan & Williams) and Buckner and someone else covering the pass rushing DE's. It'll help take some heat off of the LB's being our primary and, for the most part, our only pass rushers. Of course having Buckner available means that the rumors of the Chargers picking him are bogus, which would be no big surprise as one approaches the draft.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Sentiment has clearly shifted in the mocks from Stanley to Buckner as the Ravens most likely player. To me this shift indicates both that Stanley is not someone we'd view as worthy of the #6 pick and that Ramsey, Jack and Bosa are all expected to go ahead of Buckner and go in the top 5.

Still not convinced we are that interested in Buckner, but could easily be wrong.

Of all the guys we are projected to take, he's the only one I've seen who hasn't had some sort of an official visit with the Ravens.

May mean something, may mean nothing. Would be interesting to see if we ever drafted a player we didn't visit with.

[n#7]

DEFOREST BUCKNER is the bigger,faster,stronger HALOTI NGATA.

On paper, at least.

[Crusader]

So would a new coach but that's not going to happen neither.

[Crusader]

DEFOREST BUCKNER is the bigger,faster,stronger HALOTI NGATA.

Yea, but is he Smarter and Meaner?

[757RavensFan]

4 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Yea, but is he Smarter and Meaner?

The real test is, is he nastier than Ngata? LOL 

[law215]

DEFOREST BUCKNER is the bigger,faster,stronger HALOTI NGATA.

Ngata pressed 225 37 times. A 330lb DT that played Ruby. If Ravens get Buckner, than I hope he can be as good against the run and a better pass rusher.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

It would be a good pick....

[sticks999]

Buckner is an option I wouldnt be mad at..
But there are more dynamic players and fits for Ravens.
Ramsey,Bosa,Jack..the 3 big names.. but dont rule out Shaq Lawson of Clemson.. Ive seen him linked to Ravens, A Terrell Suggs semi Clone, beast pass rusher, but equally great run defender. Or arguably best pass rusher in draft..Noah Spence

I agree about Lawson. Playing top tier teams this past year, his numbers were fantastic.

[thecommish]

  11 hours ago, ravens4life86 said:

Buckner is an option I wouldnt be mad at..
But there are more dynamic players and fits for Ravens.
Ramsey,Bosa,Jack..the 3 big names.. but dont rule out Shaq Lawson of Clemson.. Ive seen him linked to Ravens, A Terrell Suggs semi Clone, beast pass rusher, but equally great run defender. Or arguably best pass rusher in draft..Noah Spence

I agree about Lawson. Playing top tier teams this past year, his numbers were fantastic.

love shaq lawson.... but would love to see ramsey fallto us!

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Sentiment has clearly shifted in the mocks from Stanley to Buckner as the Ravens most likely player. To me this shift indicates both that Stanley is not someone we'd view as worthy of the #6 pick and that Ramsey, Jack and Bosa are all expected to go ahead of Buckner and go in the top 5.

I realistically see Buckner being there unless SD thinks he is the best lineman or Jags emphasize front 7 over secondary. I would argue that Bosa might even have a better chance than Buckner to be there at 6.

[RavensDieHard21]

I wouldn't mind Buckner one bit, unless Jack or maybe Bosa were still sitting there, but in those scenarios I would already foresee Buckner as being long gone. A lot of fans want a safe pick and a great one, which sitting at 6 gives us a few options. I assume that no matter what, Tunsil and Ramsey are gone, leaving either Bosa, Buckner, Jack or Hargreaves as our pick. Jack I see as a complete star and would take him over any of the others with batting an eye. Bosa is a relatively high ceiling, pretty high floor, kind of guy that would make his presence felt in the rotation whether it is setting the edge or rushing the passer. Hargreaves would be a very solid corner that will have enough ball skills to create a handful of turnovers--he might also become a legit shut down corner too.  Buckner I believe out of all the defensive players, might have the highest ceiling if he were to continue to build his strength and work on his leverage when dealing with guards and athletic tackles. If he can use that big motor with his strength and immense frame, then he might be the next big thing that coaches are talking about, but the great thing is that even if he doesn't master getting great leverage, I still see him being a high effort kind of player that clogs runs lanes, bats down balls often, gets in the QB's face when throwing and still manages to register several sacks per year. We need game changers that won't be busts, and Buckner is a real good candidate.