2016 Baltimore Orioles

[Cville-Raven]

Wright is just so mediocre

[Steve0x]

3 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Free game of the day

 

	MLB.TV (@MLBTV)
6/11/16, 12:00 PM .@Orioles and @BlueJays square off, FREE at 1:07 ET on #MLBTV presented by @ODFL_Inc. atmlb.com/230MWti pic.twitter.com/6pK7pAzRdV

 

Yea it is free,,But I'm in Baltimore now. and besides I'm blacked out on MLB TV

Edited June 11, 2016 by Steve0x

[BmoreBird22]

On 6/9/2016 at 0:23 PM, Steve0x said:

Just like in Hockey if you make a rule you cant check your guy on the glass. 

I know this is off the top of the thread, but if a player is on the boards, he's fair game. It's when they're 4-5 ft off that it's an issue.

[rmw10]

I'll never understand this fascination with McFarland.  Although his stats always look decent, he lets so many inherited runners score.  His stats are lucky that those runs get attributed to the pitcher that let them get on base.

[Steve0x]

43 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I know this is off the top of the thread, but if a player is on the boards, he's fair game. It's when they're 4-5 ft off that it's an issue.

I'm making a point did you read my whole post?

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

I'm making a point did you read my whole post?

I did read it; I was only concerned with this point.

[Steve0x]

Well my point is Baseball exe is changing the rules. And its stupid you cant take out the catcher to score or take out second baseman to break up the double play.

[rmw10]

This has to be the final start for Ubaldo.  You can't keep throwing him out there.  It's clear it's not working for him.  I feel bad for the guy because you know he's trying, but something has to be done.

[Cville-Raven]

57 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

This has to be the final start for Ubaldo.  You can't keep throwing him out there.  It's clear it's not working for him.  I feel bad for the guy because you know he's trying, but something has to be done.

This was his worst start too. I mean he couldn't even get more than an out in the first inning. So bad.

[BmoreBird22]

I understand the Orioles want to draft pitchers for their team instead of trading for them/signing them, likely because of the cost, but it's probably the worst strategy that they could have.

Let's be realistic here- the only three that they've drafted that I've had any faith in are Harvey, Bundy, and Gausman. One can't even make it to the majors because he's always injured, one just stopped being injured, and one is great half the time and bad half the time. And to make matters even worse, they'll draft a player (Jake Arrieta), but not be able to develop him, so they ship him out to another team that turns him into a superstar CY Young winning pitcher.

And to make it even worse than that, the Orioles will draft a guy who shows potential to be at least a decent back of the rotation option (Rodriguez, Davies) and then trade them away for a quarter season rental that won't get re-signed. So, your philosophy is to draft and develop pitching, but you trade away the only decent options you have? 

I really question Dan Duquette sometimes because while he's great at finding players in FA, he makes a lot of dumb trades. I can't remember who they shipped out earlier (the really bad reliever), but didn't they basically give him to Atlanta and a conditional pick just to get rid of him? How are you supposed to build your farm if you're trading away picks or the only good prospects you have? It's no wonder the Orioles always have one of the worst ranked farm systems.

The way I see it, the Orioles have excellent defense and excellent batting, but even now, the bullpen just worries me too much. Chris Tillman is turning into a legit ace, Kevin Gausman is good half the time, Mychal Given is money, Zack Britton is great, Vance Worley is great, Bundy is good half the time, and Brad Brach has really come on. That's just not enough good pitching or enough in the bullpen. 

[BirdWatcher]

	Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles)
6/12/16, 12:35 AM This year, the Orioles selected 41 players overall, 27 pitchers & 14 position players, with 31 of the selections being college athletes.

there HAS to be something useful in there.

[rmw10]

24 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I understand the Orioles want to draft pitchers for their team instead of trading for them/signing them, likely because of the cost, but it's probably the worst strategy that they could have.

Let's be realistic here- the only three that they've drafted that I've had any faith in are Harvey, Bundy, and Gausman. One can't even make it to the majors because he's always injured, one just stopped being injured, and one is great half the time and bad half the time. And to make matters even worse, they'll draft a player (Jake Arrieta), but not be able to develop him, so they ship him out to another team that turns him into a superstar CY Young winning pitcher.

And to make it even worse than that, the Orioles will draft a guy who shows potential to be at least a decent back of the rotation option (Rodriguez, Davies) and then trade them away for a quarter season rental that won't get re-signed. So, your philosophy is to draft and develop pitching, but you trade away the only decent options you have? 

I really question Dan Duquette sometimes because while he's great at finding players in FA, he makes a lot of dumb trades. I can't remember who they shipped out earlier (the really bad reliever), but didn't they basically give him to Atlanta and a conditional pick just to get rid of him? How are you supposed to build your farm if you're trading away picks or the only good prospects you have? It's no wonder the Orioles always have one of the worst ranked farm systems.

The way I see it, the Orioles have excellent defense and excellent batting, but even now, the bullpen just worries me too much. Chris Tillman is turning into a legit ace, Kevin Gausman is good half the time, Mychal Given is money, Zack Britton is great, Vance Worley is great, Bundy is good half the time, and Brad Brach has really come on. That's just not enough good pitching or enough in the bullpen. 

I know someone that lives in Boston and is a Red Sox fan.  When Duquette was there, apparently it was a love/hate relationship.  While he made some good moves, so many people thought that he really was only planning for that season and had no ideas or plans for the future.  It was an overwhelming sense that the only reason he survived as long as he did there was because he worked for an organization that allowed him to spend a ton of money.

[Steve0x]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

This has to be the final start for Ubaldo.  You can't keep throwing him out there.  It's clear it's not working for him.  I feel bad for the guy because you know he's trying, but something has to be done.

I hope they send him to the Bullpen. Bundy deserves a shot to start. OR,,Why not trade Ubaldo to Minnesota for Jose Berrios from AAA Rochester.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100574

Edited June 12, 2016 by Steve0x

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

I hope they send him to the Bullpen. Bundy deserves a shot to start.

They already said Bundy isn't starting this year.  Coming off of injury, they want to build up his arm strength first.

[Steve0x]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

They already said Bundy isn't starting this year.  Coming off of injury, they want to build up his arm strength first.

Well he's doing very well even Bundy said he wants to start a game. It might boost his confidance. 

[Steve0x]

You can all blame Peter Angelos for this! If he would allow free agent pitching this wouldn't been a problem. Why didn't they try to sign Johnny Cueto and Scott Kazmir? Then they wouldnt be in this situtation!  

Edited June 12, 2016 by Steve0x

[OriolesMagicPlease]

On ‎6‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 4:34 PM, rmw10 said:

I'll never understand this fascination with McFarland.  Although his stats always look decent, he lets so many inherited runners score.  His stats are lucky that those runs get attributed to the pitcher that let them get on base.

Letting all those inherited runners score is my problem with him too. Not good enough.

Our bullpen is getting taxed. It really hurts when your starter can't get out of the first inning. Glad they have a day off today.

[Steve0x]

Orioles drop Ubaldo Jimenez from the starting rotation

Orioles pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez was told on Tuesday that he has been moved to the bullpen, per MLB.com’s Britt Ghiroli. Yovani Gallardo is expected to be activated from the 15-day disabled list over the weekend to start against the Blue Jays, so he’ll simply take Jimenez’s spot in the rotation.

Jimenez was only able to get one out in his most recent start against the Blue Jays, ultimately serving up five runs on six hits. He owns an MLB-worst 6.89 ERA with a 53/35 K/BB ratio in 62 2/3 innings on the season.

 

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/06/14/orioles-drop-ubaldo-jimenez-from-the-starting-rotation/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs&yptr=yahoo

 

Good move Buck!

[52520Andrew]

That was a tense game

[BmoreBird22]

Chris Tillman quietly owns a 9-1 record with a sub 3.00 ERA...

When did he start turning into a true ace?

[Steve0x]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Chris Tillman quietly owns a 9-1 record with a sub 3.00 ERA...

When did he start turning into a true ace?

He's got a long way to go to become an 20 game winner

Edited June 15, 2016 by Steve0x

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

He's got a long way to go to become an 20 game winner

Kershaw has only had more than 20 wins two times in his career. Is he not an ace or the best pitcher in the majors?

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Thank you for the drama free 9th Zach. And you do not have to win 20 games to be an ace.

[Steve0x]

Palmer was the O's ace for years how many 20 game winner did he have? 

[Tank 92]

Winning 20+ games was once a benchmark that could have been used as a description of an "ace" pitcher. But changes in the way pitchers are used and some other factors have decreased the possibility of winning 20 games by any pitcher.

http://sabr.org/research/20-30-game-winner-endangered-extinct-species

[Steve0x]

All because they had to change the rules back in 1970 to lower the mound to 10 inches If they raised the mound back to 15 inches Pitchers can go as far 120 pitches per game. Tilman threw 120 pitches last game, Chris Tilman is 6 feet 5inches tall. Thats very tall for a pitcher He's even taller than Jim Palmer 

Edited June 16, 2016 by Steve0x

[Steve0x]

Why cant Buck allow Tyler Wilson pitch a complete game? He's only allowed 3 hits. I say when Sox get a run then you take him out. Thats what Weaver would have done.

 

THIS IS WHY I WANT BUCK FIRED! Rick Dempsey should be new O's Manager, Rick Dempsey would allowed Tyler Wilson finish the game

Edited June 17, 2016 by Steve0x

[Cville-Raven]

13 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Why cant Buck allow Tyler Wilson pitch a complete game? He's only allowed 3 hits. I say when Sox get a run then you take him out. Thats what Weaver would have done.

 

THIS IS WHY I WANT BUCK FIRED! Rick Dempsey should be new O's Manager, Rick Dempsey would allowed Tyler Wilson finish the game

Team is top of the division with a mediocre rotation and you want the manager fired because he won't let a pitcher pitch one more inning...

[Cville-Raven]

On June 14, 2016 at 10:22 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Chris Tillman quietly owns a 9-1 record with a sub 3.00 ERA...

When did he start turning into a true ace?

He actually looked like this in the beginning of 2014, which was his best year, but the team couldn't score as many runs for him. Last year he was just out of shape and probably dealing with an injury so that's why he just wasn't good. I think he's had the ability to be this good but has never had this much quality week to week. I think the increase in velocity has really helped his game this year. He's on pace for a career year strike out wise.

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

He actually looked like this in the beginning of 2014, which was his best year, but the team couldn't score as many runs for him. Last year he was just out of shape and probably dealing with an injury so that's why he just wasn't good. I think he's had the ability to be this good but has never had this much quality week to week. I think the increase in velocity has really helped his game this year. He's on pace for a career year strike out wise.

I'm just glad that he's finally found consistency because that's been a huge issue for several Orioles pitchers who have really great potential *cough* Guasman *cough*