2016 Baltimore Orioles

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Like I said, I don't know what the reasoning was, but apparently they have bad blood, so to do it twice in a row, that's probably targeting.

I mean it likely goes back to last season. I'm just a little confused why you brush back a guy twice, don't hit him, and then serve up a gopher pitch which Machado should have hit out.

If you want to hit the guy, which it appears he did, just hit him. 

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean it likely goes back to last season. I'm just a little confused why you brush back a guy twice, don't hit him, and then serve up a gopher pitch which Machado should have hit out.

If you want to hit the guy, which it appears he did, just hit him. 

The only difference with flat out hitting a player and brushing a player is you will not get ejected for brushing a player. You can get ejected or suspended for beaning a player. Sending a totally legal message vs putting your team into a tough spot.

[rmcjacket23]

32 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The only difference with flat out hitting a player and brushing a player is you will not get ejected for brushing a player. You can get ejected or suspended for beaning a player. Sending a totally legal message vs putting your team into a tough spot.

I mean, sort of. Brushing a guy back when you really want to hit him sends the same message. Brushing a guy back because you think he's crowding the plate is a completely different message.

He wasn't sending the latter. 

[BmoreBird22]

12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean, sort of. Brushing a guy back when you really want to hit him sends the same message. Brushing a guy back because you think he's crowding the plate is a completely different message.

He wasn't sending the latter. 

I mean, the worst you'll get for brushing a guy back to send a message is a warning. There's no real huge threat to doing it.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

54 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean, sort of. Brushing a guy back when you really want to hit him sends the same message. Brushing a guy back because you think he's crowding the plate is a completely different message.

He wasn't sending the latter. 

He was sending a message when he threw inside in the 2nd inning. I believe he was trying to get Manny worked up. That was his intention. He couldn't control his emotions the second time and actually hit him. His intention was to hurt him. And if a guy throws 94-95 tops the whole game and his hardest pitch is 99 into a player, it is laughable to hear him say "one got away".

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

He was sending a message when he threw inside in the 2nd inning. I believe he was trying to get Manny worked up. That was his intention. He couldn't control his emotions the second time and actually hit him. His intention was to hurt him. And if a guy throws 94-95 tops the whole game and his hardest pitch is 99 into a player, it is laughable to hear him say "one got away".

Wouldn't say he intended to actually "hurt" him anymore than a normal guy does when he plunks somebody. He drilled him in the butt/lower back. If you actually wanted to hurt somebody, you wouldn't throw at the "meatiest" part of his body if you actually wanted to hurt him. Yes, getting hit by a 99mph pitch will hurt regardless of where it hits, but if you hit him in the butt/back, he's not going to miss any time over that most likely.

The one that plunked him clearly didn't "get away". My question was about what he was doing in the 2nd inning. If his intention was to get Manny worked up, he succeeded, though that's not that hard with Manny.

[Steve0x]

I have seen umpires eject pitchers just pitching inside. Thats the new rule now Just like you cant ram into catcher at home plate anymore you gotta slide cleanly. You cant take out the second baseman break up double plays anymore you must slide into bag cleanly. Those are the rules now. Just like Goose Gossage expressed the new rules are stupid. I agree to a point. I think taking out the catcher and second baseman is part of the game,,Just like in Hockey if you make a rule you cant check your guy on the glass. But Yes i do think plunking a batter should be automatic ejection. But a Brushback is part of the game. 

[rmw10]

It's useless to speculate why Ventura did or didn't plunk Manny in AB1, but there's no question that he was purposely throwing inside. 

[OriolesMagicPlease]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

It's useless to speculate why Ventura did or didn't plunk Manny in AB1, but there's no question that he was purposely throwing inside. 

Well, most of the conversations on here are useless speculation.  Totally agree that brushing back is part of the game, but this was something different and no, we will never know his intent in the 2nd inning with certainty. And I still think he wanted to hurt him throwing at his back because he chose a 99 mph fast ball to do it.

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

Well, most of the conversations on here are useless speculation.  Totally agree that brushing back is part of the game, but this was something different and no, we will never know his intent in the 2nd inning with certainty. And I still think he wanted to hurt him throwing at his back because he chose a 99 mph fast ball to do it.

Have you ever seen somebody be intentionally plunked with a curve ball? 

If you want to hit somebody, you drill them with a fastball. And you don't take something off of it either. He throws that hard, so that's what he hit him with.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Exactly. He hit him with a fastball because throwing as hard as he could would hurt the most, that was my point. He could have thrown a slower fastball.

[rmcjacket23]

57 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

Exactly. He hit him with a fastball because throwing as hard as he could would hurt the most, that was my point. He could have thrown a slower fastball.

I mean he "could have", except nobody ever does. I mean how many times has somebody been plunked by a 75 mph fastball? Speed of the pitch has very little meaning here. He got hit with a fastball because thats what you throw when you want to hit somebody. Doesn't matter if it was 85 or 105. That's just dependent on how hard the guy throws.

I mean if you hit Manny with a 75mph fastball he probably laughs because he barely felt it, in which case the point of hitting him is lost. If he actually wanted to actually hurt Manny to the point where he actually missed games, then he picked the wrong spot to hit him.

[Steve0x]

I cannot believe this whole manny beanball made the whole national news. I can understand it would be on local news ESPN or MASN. But on CNN,MSNBC and on Fox News doing this story. I cant believe the game i went to gained the whole national attention. Im just glad it didn't go on around the globe news. Its giving the O's and Baltimore a bad name.  

[Moderator 3]

Twitter reports say Manny is getting 4 games and $2500 fine.  Will appeal.  Not seeing anything on Ventura yet.  Manny is in tonight's lineup.

[Steve0x]

37 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Twitter reports say Manny is getting 4 games and $2500 fine.  Will appeal.  Not seeing anything on Ventura yet.  Manny is in tonight's lineup.

See its bias from Commisoner Rob Manfred who only gave Jose Bautista 1 game and no fine in Texas brawl . I want Peter Angelos represent manny and take  MLB and Rob Manfred to court just like NFL Tom Brady did last year and didn't get a suspension. And maybe the Judge in Baltimore will tell him no suspension and no fine. Just like Tom Brady got a break 

[rmcjacket23]

41 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Twitter reports say Manny is getting 4 games and $2500 fine.  Will appeal.  Not seeing anything on Ventura yet.  Manny is in tonight's lineup.

Yeah I'd expect him to play most if not all of this Toronto series, which is big. I wouldn't expect an appeal decision until probably Monday at the earliest.

Problem is he could easily end up missing that 3 game set in Boston next week.

[rmcjacket23]

ESPN reporting Ventura's suspension is 9 games. Depending on how long the appeal lasts, could potentially miss two starts.

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, Steve0x said:

I cannot believe this whole manny beanball made the whole national news. I can understand it would be on local news ESPN or MASN. But on CNN,MSNBC and on Fox News doing this story. I cant believe the game i went to gained the whole national attention. Im just glad it didn't go on around the globe news. Its giving the O's and Baltimore a bad name.  

The only one coming out of this with a bad(worse) name is Ventura. No one that knows baseball will blame Machado for clocking him.

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

ESPN reporting Ventura's suspension is 9 games. Depending on how long the appeal lasts, could potentially miss two starts.

He'll probably drop the appeal right after his next start, making him only miss 1.

[Tank 92]

8-1 so far in June.  nice

[Cville-Raven]

Wow our first pick in the draft pitched 10.2 innings in one of his outings as a starter. Don't know how the NCAA allows that type of thing considering the prevalence of guys needing TJ surgery these days. Seems to have gone deep in a number of his starts.

Edited June 10, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Cville-Raven said:

Wow our first pick in the draft pitched 10.2 innings in of his outings as a starter. Don't know how the NCAA allows that type of thing considering the prevalence of guys needing TJ surgery these days. Seems to have gone deep in a number of his starts.

Terrifying considering our inability to develop pitchers properly. Our success rate with high innings guys in high school or college is dreadful. 

[Steve0x]

30 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

8-1 so far in June.  nice

I hope winning keeps up in June. We need 1st place by the All Star Break. 

[Cville-Raven]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Terrifying considering our inability to develop pitchers properly. Our success rate with high innings guys in high school or college is dreadful. 

Luckily he was only a starter in his junior year and a reliever in his first two, so hopefully his arm isn't completely worn out. Definitely need to take it easy on him though. I actually like the first two picks. A lot of innings but plenty of quality starts. 

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Happy we drafted pitchers.

Nine game suspension for Ventura is a joke. That equals one start.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

Happy we drafted pitchers.

Nine game suspension for Ventura is a joke. That equals one start.

Potentially two, depending on timing.

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Potentially two, depending on timing.

It'll only be one, assuming Ventura and his agent play it smart. 

[OriolesMagicPlease]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Potentially two, depending on timing.

Potentially, but he will appeal and probably get it reduced by a game. He will end up missing only one start.

[Steve0x]

Then Reduce Manny to 2 games And he can take that on friday night when the Rays come in Baltimore sit out friday Sit out sat afternoon game come back 2nd game.

[Moderator 3]

Free game of the day

 

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