[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Taking Risk At Left Tackle One Way Or Another

[Barney S]

With the restructuring of Joe's contract it would be a crime for the Ravens not to get him a brick wall at LOT. I don't believe Ozzie will let him down. Eisenberger can hype us all he wants.., it doesn't mean we buy it...Whether it's through the draft or FA, I don't expect Eugene Monroe to be our LT.

[Barney S]

21 hours ago, sami said:

Another article by Eisenberg that says absolutely nothing. Just a bunch of speculation and stating of the obvious.

It didn't scare me in the least either. Ozzie wouldn't do it knowing that Joe shines when he has time to pass. Camo PJ's...

[Mad Puppy]

If you want to cut somebody it should be Hurst, the guy "Broke" our franchise QB by falling on his knee. If he didn't get any hazing for it he sure should have.

I prefer Monroe stays, law of averages says he has his best year as a Raven this year. He had injuries the last two and need to prove his worth for the rest of the contract.

I suggest drafting a developments OT in the 4th or later rounds.

And for God's sake stop valuing Comp picks out of your #1,2, and 3 draft picks. When you lose a high draft pick that is a starter and only get a 4th rounder (at best, as a comp 3 is no different than early 4) in compensation, then you are doing it wrong.
Sign your drafted players(1st through 3rd especially) that are contributing to long term deals before the final year of their rookie deal.
Consider now instead of drafting playmakers this draft you are looking to replace your pro-bowl OG player in the early rounds. A position that should be locked down right now.

[Barney S]

You saw what happened to the Panthers in SB 50 with Michael Oher at LOT. Eugene Monroe will only get us so far. OLT is a critical position for a non-mobile QB like Joe who must have solid protection on his blind side. Super Bowl wins came with LOT's Jonathan Ogden and the infamous Bryant McKinnie. Both provided their QB brick wall protection.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Barney S

[fusuymada]

The more I watch old film of the Ravens, the more it becomes devastatingly obvious, in games like when we were playing the Dolphins in the 2009 wild card game and had 4 interceptions, (in a game, not for the year) it was because we had pass rushers and a system (under Rex Ryan) that wasn't afraid to mix it up and generate pressure. We went from controlled chaos to boardroom tightly whiteys. We need to get the players to go back to that type of scheme, conversely, to be successful throwing the ball you have to have an upright QB. When we have lost, that is why. With all things considered, make a deal with Kubiak and get Clady and keep Monroe. Both are good enough but both have had medical issues. Between the two we should get through the year then draft a good prospect that falls with one of our many 4th round picks and get them ready for next year. Other than that, though the Ramseys, Hargreaves, and Treadwells are the sexy picks, it will be the Bosas, Tunsils, and Stanley's that make an immediate impact in today's NFL.

Edited April 3, 2016 by fusuymada
Clarification

[Tank 92]

26 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

The more I watch old film of the Ravens, the more it becomes devastatingly obvious, in games like when we were playing the Dolphins in the 2009 wild card game and had 4 interceptions, (in a game, not for the year) it was because we had pass rushers and a system (under Rex Ryan) that wasn't afraid to mix it up and generate pressure. We went from controlled chaos to boardroom tightly whiteys. We need to get the players to go back to that type of scheme, conversely, to be successful throwing the ball you have to have an upright QB. When we have lost, that is why. With all things considered, make a deal with Kubiak and get Clady and keep Monroe. Both are good enough but both have had medical issues. Between the two we should get through the year then draft a good prospect that falls with one of our many 4th round picks and get them ready for next year. Other than that, though the Ramseys, Hargreaves, and Treadwells are the sexy picks, it will be the Bosas, Tunsils, and Stanley's that make an immediate impact in today's NFL.

Greg Mattison was D coordinator 2008 - 2010. One winning season with Rex as DC,  2006.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tru11]

13 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

The more I watch old film of the Ravens, the more it becomes devastatingly obvious, in games like when we were playing the Dolphins in the 2009 wild card game and had 4 interceptions, (in a game, not for the year) it was because we had pass rushers and a system (under Rex Ryan) that wasn't afraid to mix it up and generate pressure. We went from controlled chaos to boardroom tightly whiteys. We need to get the players to go back to that type of scheme, conversely, to be successful throwing the ball you have to have an upright QB. When we have lost, that is why. With all things considered, make a deal with Kubiak and get Clady and keep Monroe. Both are good enough but both have had medical issues. Between the two we should get through the year then draft a good prospect that falls with one of our many 4th round picks and get them ready for next year. Other than that, though the Ramseys, Hargreaves, and Treadwells are the sexy picks, it will be the Bosas, Tunsils, and Stanley's that make an immediate impact in today's NFL.

id say we had much better talent to those things on defense then we do now ....

[bigcatfrank1]

  22 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Though I think it was a mistake to let KO go for a mear 2 million a year difference, let that be what it may. 

Ravens offered 8.5 mil a year. Raiders gave him 12mil a year.

That's around 3.5 million a year more or 42% more

Fact is the Raiders gave him

stupid money

Story has it that the Ravens were ready to go 10 mil. why the actual number came out at 8.5 im not sure. However, 12mil is still 3rd highest for a LT in the NFL and the highest paid RT. Ok so we are paying Monroe 6.5 million this year. Last year he did not play (we paid him 5 mil) He has 1 more year at 6.5. I f the Ravens let him go after June 1 they could combine the 2 years at 6 mil cap loss (3 mil a year) So to replace him they need to find the best ALL PRO LT in the NFL to play for 9 mill ( add the 3 mil in cap letting monroe go) or less or they should have kept KO for 12 million. So the way the Ravens have done it is they have bargained that they can find a LT between 7-9 million over the next 2-5 years as good as KO. That is 2 million dollars savings at the position immediately for 2 years. Long term it could be more savings, But maybe not...depends on if they get a Draft pick that works or they have to go out and pick up a vet...which could cost them more in the long run.

[harfordravenfan]

33 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

id say we had much better talent to those things on defense then we do now ....

That'd be an understatement to say the least

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXteamsXXravXX2006_roster.htm&t=all_starters

[billiejean]

You saw what happened to the Panthers in SB 50 with Michael Oher at LOT. Eugene Monroe will only get us so far. OLT is a critical position for a non-mobile QB like Joe who must have solid protection on his blind side. Super Bowl wins came with LOT's Jonathan Ogden and the infamous Bryant McKinnie. Both provided their QB brick wall protection.

Yea but the Broncos LT was Ryan Harris, who has been a journeyman for most of his career. He is average at best. Thankfully he will be the Steelers new LT (unless they draft someone that beats him out).

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Although Monroe has dealt with injuries, I would expect that he still has plenty of tread left on the tires. I expect him to play the entire year this season and that the Ravens will draft another OT for depth at some point in the draft (most likely 4th round at the latest but certainly not #6 overall). I think it goes without saying Monroe is done with being sidelined and wants to be back out there having fun winning.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

If you want to cut somebody it should be Hurst, the guy "Broke" our franchise QB by falling on his knee. If he didn't get any hazing for it he sure should have.

I prefer Monroe stays, law of averages says he has his best year as a Raven this year. He had injuries the last two and need to prove his worth for the rest of the contract.

I suggest drafting a developments OT in the 4th or later rounds.

And for God's sake stop valuing Comp picks out of your #1,2, and 3 draft picks. When you lose a high draft pick that is a starter and only get a 4th rounder (at best, as a comp 3 is no different than early 4) in compensation, then you are doing it wrong.
Sign your drafted players(1st through 3rd especially) that are contributing to long term deals before the final year of their rookie deal.
Consider now instead of drafting playmakers this draft you are looking to replace your pro-bowl OG player in the early rounds. A position that should be locked down right now.

Throwing people under the bus (Hurst) as you say is not how the Ravens handle their business. Also why I enjoy this organization, they handle their business with class and respect. Making knee jerk reactions like this is what keeps teams down in the basement for prolonged periods of time.

The notion you proposed about keeping all of the drafted players picked in rounds 1 through 3 who start is not well aimed. A player can become a starter for any number of reasons. Calculating real true value is not such a straightforward endeavor.

A few really good players get paid big contracts and suddenly anyone who feels they have played well, even if only for brief moments, tend to believe they offer the same value. If this was not true, then no player would ever be over paid or under paid.

A player that is pretty much lights out from day 1 can expect a sizeable second contract and that their current team will be interested (not guaranteed to keep them). A player can outprice themselves from their current team based on situation.

A player that develops into a solid player with flashes here and there can expect a second contract offer and that their current team may or may not be interested in retaining their services.

The key is how much better is a 4th year player compared to other options that are relatively the same in skill and ability. K.O. was in the later category. How much higher is his ceiling from his play now? Not that much higher. When you can realistically draft a replacement and develop them to roughly the same level of play at a fraction of the cost, there is no wiser choice to be made. When you can also receive extra draft picks for players you groomed and were not able to retain it is a big deal. It means an extra chance to hit on a contributing player you can develop the same as the one that left. This actually rewards good coaching, which the Ravens have many.

The cap space will do well to retain young talent like Tucker and Williams. IF the Raiders are alright with over paying the position that's there pill to swallow, because at some point it will prevent them from retaining someone on their squad. They just have not yet had to deal with retaining any of their young talent. Cannot keep them all, just look at Seattle.

Lastly, OG (K.O.'s vacated position) is locked down. I would still expect to see competition, however Hurst showed he can handle LG just fine and graded very well in the run game and solid enough in pass protected.

[bigcatfrank1]

Although Monroe has dealt with injuries, I would expect that he still has plenty of tread left on the tires. I expect him to play the entire year this season and that the Ravens will draft another OT for depth at some point in the draft (most likely 4th round at the latest but certainly not #6 overall). I think it goes without saying Monroe is done with being sidelined and wants to be back out there having fun winning.

so he didnt want to be out there winning for the last 2 years?

[bigcatfrank1]

Although Monroe has dealt with injuries, I would expect that he still has plenty of tread left on the tires. I expect him to play the entire year this season and that the Ravens will draft another OT for depth at some point in the draft (most likely 4th round at the latest but certainly not #6 overall). I think it goes without saying Monroe is done with being sidelined and wants to be back out there having fun winning.

for depth? Are we talking about the 2016 Baltimore Ravens here? Cause I don't know what you saw last year, but I saw our QB go down, our team have a 5-11 season and the team move their #1 OG to LT because there wasn't anyone who could play the position. Now I trust Oz and if he chooses to take another player at #6 than Tusil or Stanley I am sure he will have his reasons. However my feeling is that this team needs to build a LT for the future, if that means there is a better one at the #2 pick or lower then hats off. But to call it depth is quite a stretch, the Ravens need 2 Tackles and 1 guard right now that did not start with the team last year.

[Barney S]

6 hours ago, billiejean said:

Yea but the Broncos LT was Ryan Harris, who has been a journeyman for most of his career. He is average at best. Thankfully he will be the Steelers new LT (unless they draft someone that beats him out).

The true Broncos OLT was former Pro Bowler Ryan Clady on IR for the year. Harris is a fill in journeyman like you said. If Clady had been there Manning would have had much better stats even though his arm had gone. The Broncos did it with defense as we did in 2000. I think the Ravens can do it with balance on both sides of the ball. And hope the injury bug flies away.

[Crusader]

Monroe has the 7 year itch and is losing interest in football. One way or another staying in football will be decided with or without him. Who out there can's live off 17.5 million guaranteed?

[J.O.14]

  21 hours ago, fusuymada said:

The more I watch old film of the Ravens, the more it becomes devastatingly obvious, in games like when we were playing the Dolphins in the 2009 wild card game and had 4 interceptions, (in a game, not for the year) it was because we had pass rushers and a system (under Rex Ryan) that wasn't afraid to mix it up and generate pressure. We went from controlled chaos to boardroom tightly whiteys. We need to get the players to go back to that type of scheme, conversely, to be successful throwing the ball you have to have an upright QB. When we have lost, that is why. With all things considered, make a deal with Kubiak and get Clady and keep Monroe. Both are good enough but both have had medical issues. Between the two we should get through the year then draft a good prospect that falls with one of our many 4th round picks and get them ready for next year. Other than that, though the Ramseys, Hargreaves, and Treadwells are the sexy picks, it will be the Bosas, Tunsils, and Stanley's that make an immediate impact in today's NFL.

Greg Mattison was D coordinator 2008 - 2010. One winning season with Rex as DC,  2006.

Rex was DC in 2008, he went to the Jets in 09.

[J.O.14]

The more I watch old film of the Ravens, the more it becomes devastatingly obvious, in games like when we were playing the Dolphins in the 2009 wild card game and had 4 interceptions, (in a game, not for the year) it was because we had pass rushers and a system (under Rex Ryan) that wasn't afraid to mix it up and generate pressure. We went from controlled chaos to boardroom tightly whiteys. We need to get the players to go back to that type of scheme, conversely, to be successful throwing the ball you have to have an upright QB. When we have lost, that is why. With all things considered, make a deal with Kubiak and get Clady and keep Monroe. Both are good enough but both have had medical issues. Between the two we should get through the year then draft a good prospect that falls with one of our many 4th round picks and get them ready for next year. Other than that, though the Ramseys, Hargreaves, and Treadwells are the sexy picks, it will be the Bosas, Tunsils, and Stanley's that make an immediate impact in today's NFL.

Look at the players on that defense though. Our defense carried us to the AFC championship team. We also had the best FS in the game in the middle of his prime. We just don't have players like that right now....

[rmcjacket23]

On 4/2/2016 at 0:03 PM, PackinRavensHeat said:

You cannot win a Super Bowl without a franchise LT. Biscotti is throwing the league drafters off by saying Monroe is still the man, but we all know the Ravens will %100 draft a LT in the first round.

This is a joke right? Who was the franchise LT for the most recent SB winner (the Broncos).

Hint... don't say Ryan Clady. He wasn't on the field.

Another hint... this team won the SB with Bryant McKinnie at LT. As far from elite as you can get.

[rmcjacket23]

On 4/2/2016 at 1:20 PM, Fastynart said:

This is just insane. Taking a risk at LT? How stupid are they? Like it or not, Joe is their franchise and "taking a risk at LT" is about as dumb a thing as any team could do. Monroe stinks, plain and simple. Whomever signed this bozo should be fired. Oh, the great Oz, I forgot. They had better get someone competent there or Joe is going to get killed again. Then what?

Well they've been taking risks at LT since the first day Joe joined this team, so this offseason isn't that different.

Not like we ever went out there with McKinnie or Oher and were like "yeah, we are good there".

 

[rmcjacket23]

21 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Story has it that the Ravens were ready to go 10 mil. why the actual number came out at 8.5 im not sure. However, 12mil is still 3rd highest for a LT in the NFL and the highest paid RT. Ok so we are paying Monroe 6.5 million this year. Last year he did not play (we paid him 5 mil) He has 1 more year at 6.5. I f the Ravens let him go after June 1 they could combine the 2 years at 6 mil cap loss (3 mil a year) So to replace him they need to find the best ALL PRO LT in the NFL to play for 9 mill ( add the 3 mil in cap letting monroe go) or less or they should have kept KO for 12 million. So the way the Ravens have done it is they have bargained that they can find a LT between 7-9 million over the next 2-5 years as good as KO. That is 2 million dollars savings at the position immediately for 2 years. Long term it could be more savings, But maybe not...depends on if they get a Draft pick that works or they have to go out and pick up a vet...which could cost them more in the long run.

1. As of now, KO is getting paid $12M+ to play LG for the Raiders, as that's where he's expected to play.

2. We actually don't really know if KO is a very good LT or not. He just hasn't played there often enough to validate a $12M price tag. He's also not without injury concerns himself. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

for depth? Are we talking about the 2016 Baltimore Ravens here? Cause I don't know what you saw last year, but I saw our QB go down, our team have a 5-11 season and the team move their #1 OG to LT because there wasn't anyone who could play the position. Now I trust Oz and if he chooses to take another player at #6 than Tusil or Stanley I am sure he will have his reasons. However my feeling is that this team needs to build a LT for the future, if that means there is a better one at the #2 pick or lower then hats off. But to call it depth is quite a stretch, the Ravens need 2 Tackles and 1 guard right now that did not start with the team last year.

1. Guard wouldn't appear to be a concern, considering we didn't have any issues with Jensen in their last season, and we also have Urschel.

2. We were 3-7 last season with a completely healthy Joe. Its not like our team fell off a cliff solely because our QB was out.

I know injuries are convenient way to write off the season, because we sent everybody who had a bruise to IR once the season was over. But we went 1-6 with a largely healthy football team... far healthier than previous years when we were significantly better in the W/L column.

[Cawtious]

21 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Lastly, OG (K.O.'s vacated position) is locked down. I would still expect to see competition, however Hurst showed he can handle LG just fine and graded very well in the run game and solid enough in pass protected.

I hope you mean Urschel.....

[rmcjacket23]

47 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

I hope you mean Urschel.....

Jensen most likely. He played LG when KO moved over last season.

Urschel played Center. I think you'll see Jensen/Urschel and maybe a draft pick battle for the starting LG job.

Edited April 4, 2016 by rmcjacket23