2017 - on your radars

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, rmw10 said:

And your plan of trading away a future 1st for more picks isn't going to lead to us drafting more average players?  Hmmm... I'm sure every single player we pick is a bonafide superstar.

If there are players that can play at a pro bowl level in round2,3 and 4 why not grab them now. But you would prefer double digit losses again and try to fill the holes in the off-season AGAIN. There are players in this draft in rounds2-4 that will play like round1 players. Just have to find them. Cravens,Coleman,Robinsons,Jones,Dixon will outperform many round1 players. If ravens could give up picks next year to get Cravens,coleman,Robinsons,jones,Spence,Mitchell,maybe Ngakoue   and have them this year for a championship run then why wait til next year for impact players the team needs now.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Winchester said:

If there are players that can play at a pro bowl level in round2,3 and 4 why not grab them now. But you would prefer double digit losses again and try to fill the holes in the off-season AGAIN. There are players in this draft in rounds2-4 that will play like round1 players. Just have to find them. Cravens,Coleman,Robinsons,Jones,Dixon will outperform many round1 players. If ravens could give up picks next year to get Cravens,coleman,Robinsons,jones,Spence,Mitchell,maybe Ngakoue   and have them this year for a championship run then why wait til next year for impact players the team needs now.

You have a very diluted sense of how the NFL works if you think this is even remotely reasonable.

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

You have a very diluted sense of how the NFL works if you think this is even remotely reasonable.

Sure whatever Mr let's not find impact players cuz you eventually have to pay'em. And for your 311 there are 30 teams every year that have a scrambled idea how to win. Do you have any clue how many retired players say their front office were morons. Didn't John elway snub baltimore cuz of how the franchise was run?? Then his hand was in some very different ideas that finally  resulted in consecutive championships before he retired.

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Sure whatever Mr let's not find impact players cuz you eventually have to pay'em. And for your 311 there are 30 teams every year that have a scrambled idea how to win. Do you have any clue how many retired players say their front office were morons. Didn't John elway snub baltimore cuz of how the franchise was run?? Then his hand was in some very different ideas that finally  resulted in consecutive championships before he retired.

Again, you act like drafting more players automatically means they'll actually work out.  That's not how it works.  Even some of the best prospects fail.  When the plan doesn't work and we go into next year with no picks to correct the problem, then what?

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Again, you act like drafting more players automatically means they'll actually work out.  That's not how it works.  Even some of the best prospects fail.  When the plan doesn't work and we go into next year with no picks to correct the problem, then what?

The picks next year may not work out as well. If you have confidence in your drafting in would take the multiple players that Will make an impact the upcoming year. Picking #6 this year is in our favor to entice teams to trade for our pick next year for multiple picks now. However make the picks count and that will be a late round1 pick. Maybe even pick 32!! I like rounds 2,3 and 4 in this draft. Players I mentioned could play like round1 players.

[52520Andrew]

Pretty sure we ended up getting Jamal Lewis(who most would call an impact player) after being on the other side of the trade being suggested(didn't swap mid rounders but gave up a second for a first the next year that turned to a top 5 pick).

[Winchester]

3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Pretty sure we ended up getting Jamal Lewis(who most would call an impact player) after being on the other side of the trade being suggested(didn't swap mid rounders but gave up a second for a first the next year that turned to a top 5 pick).

Ravens got incredibly lucky. A pro bowl QB and all pro running back were lost for the season. The falcons were a coming off a superbowl. That trade could of worked out terribly. Anyways since ravens were picking #6 the following yrs round 1 is consudered more valuable. BUT if ravens hit on them picks with their own picks then ravens could go from pick #6 to championship contenders. And the ravens could realistically do so and are couple players away. A trade to acquire those players for the season could realistically thrust the ravens to championship.

[ravensdan]

12 minutes ago, Winchester said:

The picks next year may not work out as well. If you have confidence in your drafting in would take the multiple players that Will make an impact the upcoming year. Picking #6 this year is in our favor to entice teams to trade for our pick next year for multiple picks now. However make the picks count and that will be a late round1 pick. Maybe even pick 32!! I like rounds 2,3 and 4 in this draft. Players I mentioned could play like round1 players.

I think there's a good medium here. More picks Is a good thing. Ravens ended up picking a record number 4th rounders. A lot of guys you personally like. A future first is a lot to give away if not for a very good deal. What other team is going to give away enough of their 16 draft to be fair value for Ravens said team would need to mortgage their 16 draft. That's not an easy negotiations. 

[52520Andrew]

57 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Ravens got incredibly lucky. A pro bowl QB and all pro running back were lost for the season. The falcons were a coming off a superbowl. That trade could of worked out terribly. Anyways since ravens were picking #6 the following yrs round 1 is consudered more valuable. BUT if ravens hit on them picks with their own picks then ravens could go from pick #6 to championship contenders. And the ravens could realistically do so and are couple players away. A trade to acquire those players for the season could realistically thrust the ravens to championship.

And who is to say a team full of 4th round rookies doesn't have a terrible season while they all learn and you give up a top 5 pick?

[Winchester]

59 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

And who is to say a team full of 4th round rookies doesn't have a terrible season while they all learn and you give up a top 5 pick?

Players are playing like vets faster than ever. Who is to say ravens don't play in afc championship?? Those players will be hitting stride at playoff time.

[52520Andrew]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

Players are playing like vets faster than ever. Who is to say ravens don't play in afc championship?? Those players will be hitting stride at playoff time.

Of all the fourth rounders last year, how many rookies would you say played well? 

[Moderator 3]

9 hours ago, Winchester said:

Players are playing like vets faster than ever. Who is to say ravens don't play in afc championship?? Those players will be hitting stride at playoff time.

Or the rookie wall.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

Or the rookie wall.

The following years round1 pick could do so himself. Or be a bust himself all the same. Have to hit on your picks anyways regardless when you use them so what's your point?? Even if there is a learning curve those players are ready to play year2. And you have a very skilled  young fast team that will be championship caliber. Then along the way give a former drama that is now focused  a calculated tryout.  Of course there are many considerations before following through with that particular plan. Have to hit on picks anyways.

[rmw10]

16 minutes ago, Winchester said:

The following years round1 pick could do so himself. Or be a bust himself all the same. Have to hit on your picks anyways regardless when you use them so what's your point?? Even if there is a learning curve those players are ready to play year2. And you have a very skilled  young fast team that will be championship caliber. Then along the way give a former drama that is now focused  a calculated tryout.  Of course there are many considerations before following through with that particular plan. Have to hit on picks anyways.

I'm sure everything will work out just as you've drawn it up, you know, because that's how the NFL works.  The NFL must be so archaic to not have thought of such a genius idea.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I'm sure everything will work out just as you've drawn it up, you know, because that's how the NFL works.  The NFL must be so archaic to not have thought of such a genius idea.

For your 311 many ideas that worked out were initially harshly criticized. Jimmy Johnson trading the cowboys only all pro player. Trading a round pick 1 pick for Brett Favre, trading away the opportunity to draft rgknee. Not drafting Reggie bush. Trading the following years round1 for picks in a current draft is not new. It's that the ravens picking at #6 spot the following years round1  is far  more coveted and all the following years picks. Teams are not counting on ravens being a contender the next year and picking late round1 and round2. Which could happen if ravens hit on many of those picks. I'm sure teams have considered it but it would take a lot of nerve.lol If it works out your a genius the alternative you could get fired. You saw the players I would pick with those extra picks in the trade. It will give you an idea if a trade like that could work. Your very welcome to call me out rub it in if those players are average to busts. Makes football fun huh??

[DomMcRaven]

I gotta say, @Winchester, you surely how to make threads interesting to read. That's for sure. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

This was an interesting read

[Inqui]

18 hours ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

This was an interesting read

It'll be even more interesting to read after the draft next year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On April 17, 2016 at 5:11 PM, allblackraven said:

Yep, some phenomenal RB talent next year.

And despite my earlier remarks, I'm adding to the list:

Jonathan Allen, DL
Reuben Foster, LB
Eddie Jackson, S

Yes, all from Alabama.

Really liked Allen and Jackson. Haven't seen Foster. If Allen in any capacity makes it to the second round next year we're officially blessed. 

 

The pass rusher from Tenessee is intruiging. Big and fast but haven't seen enough of his tape to detirmine if he has good pass rushing moves. 

 

To be honest, if OJ Howard is there.. I don't see how we don't take him. Even if Maxx does pan out, Crockett isn the potential mismatch nightmare Howard is. He's a tough as nails run blocker with soft hands, but Howard has the potential to be a faster Vernon Davis. Trade Crockett to some other team. A duo of Maxx and Howard would push us over the top. 

 

But honestly. If we have another crappy season, I want Fournette or Garret. 

[Jacquouille]

I'm very high on the Tenessee guys, namely Reeves-Maybin, Sutton and Hurd (haven't watched Barnett).

 

Reeves-Maybin and Sutton would be perfect first rounders that would fit right in for us.

Hurd, given that we won't have as many RBs as last year, a 6.4 bruiser that has patience and vision (reminds me a lot of Arian Foster) could make a lot of difference. If he's there in the 3rd I'm jumping on it. Same goes for Elijah Hood and Wayne Gallman, perhaps my new favourite RB in this class (since I believe we need a taller back if we want a difference with what we already have).

This will be a deep class in terms of LBs and RBs, so the ideal scenario would be:

1) CB (I prefer Sutton for his size, something our DBs lack)

2) LB

3) RB

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm not high on barnett. He is so bad at tackling. 

[Jacquouille]

Crap, I forgot we'll certainly need a C.

[Jacquouille]

Crap, I forgot we'll certainly need a C.

[JoeyFlex5]

On 7/20/2016 at 0:25 PM, Jacquouille said:

Crap, I forgot we'll certainly need a C.

Pocic man. He's the best center prospect I've ever seen since I began following the draft, and so versatile I think he could probably play RT if needed.

[BmoreBird22]

On 7/20/2016 at 3:11 AM, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Really liked Allen and Jackson. Haven't seen Foster. If Allen in any capacity makes it to the second round next year we're officially blessed. 

From what I'm seeing early, Allen is a top 15 player

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pocic man. He's the best center prospect I've ever seen since I began following the draft, and so versatile I think he could probably play RT if needed.

Didn't realize he's 6'7". Surprised he's as good as he is inside.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Didn't realize he's 6'7". Surprised he's as good as he is inside.

Yeah me too, I thought 6'5" tops because he plays low with ease. He's got enough arm length to jam guys into the 2nd level without even taking a step forward lol. 

 

Rare prospect. The kind of guy that slides because he's an interior lineman and some team gets a bargain on a all pro for 10 years.

[Jacquouille]

On 21/07/2016 at 6:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pocic man. He's the best center prospect I've ever seen since I began following the draft, and so versatile I think he could probably play RT if needed.

Not that it's anywhere near the gospel, but DraftTek has him as their 75th or so prospect. It's funny, there's a lot of prospect that I'm interested in that don't have first round grades. Like Cameron Sutton, who is my personnal favourite at CB, or KD Cannon and Corey Davis at WR, who I think have insane footwork and speed (plus insane hands for Davis). And last but not least, apparently nobody knows about Travis Rudolph but I love him since I stumbled upon an FSU/Jameis game and he was a freshman. 

[ravefan52]

12 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Not that it's anywhere near the gospel, but DraftTek has him as their 75th or so prospect. It's funny, there's a lot of prospect that I'm interested in that don't have first round grades. Like Cameron Sutton, who is my personnal favourite at CB, or KD Cannon and Corey Davis at WR, who I think have insane footwork and speed (plus insane hands for Davis). And last but not least, apparently nobody knows about Travis Rudolph but I love him since I stumbled upon an FSU/Jameis game and he was a freshman. 

I like Sutton and Davis quite a bit, from the little I've seen.

[JoeyFlex5]

On 7/25/2016 at 3:50 PM, Jacquouille said:

Not that it's anywhere near the gospel, but DraftTek has him as their 75th or so prospect. It's funny, there's a lot of prospect that I'm interested in that don't have first round grades. Like Cameron Sutton, who is my personnal favourite at CB, or KD Cannon and Corey Davis at WR, who I think have insane footwork and speed (plus insane hands for Davis). And last but not least, apparently nobody knows about Travis Rudolph but I love him since I stumbled upon an FSU/Jameis game and he was a freshman. 

isnt draftek the one that makes the boards for the draft simulators? yeah theyre pretty atrocious if thats the case lol