2017 - on your radars

[Drew P]

1 minute ago, hn68wb4 said:

 

Whelp ILB just shot up our needs list, we needed depth badly with him, now we need a freaking starter.

Is Arthur Brown available? Seriously, that sucks, KC is probably not even being considered to start..

[Cillmatic]

Well it looks like Rueben Foster is on our radar now.

[Alabama Raven]

23 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Well it looks like Rueben Foster is on our radar now.

I agree. We were obviously thin at LB, but we could rely on Mosley & Orr. Without Orr, I think we're in a terrible spot, arguably worse here than we are at CB. I think this opens up our board to selecting Foster/Cunningham in round 1 or hope that Davis/McMillan are around in round 2. 

 

We have so many holes to fill, it's daunting. 

[RaineV1]

Anthony Walker Jr. from Northwestern can probably be gotten in the third round. Also, Josh Jones from NC State could be good as a safety/linebacker hybrid filling in the spot next to Mosley. Beyond the third round we could grab Marquel Lee from Wake Forest.

[jboy19]

46 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Well it looks like Rueben Foster is on our radar now.

I really like Foster, but it'd take a miracle to get him outside the top 10. Zach Cunningham from Vanderbilt might be a possibility and even though I wasn't very big on him, a lot of guys around here were.

I don't feel too worried because I think we've always has success pulling a 2nd MLB off a scrap heap, whether UDFA (Scott, McClain, Orr) or cap casualty (Daryl Smith). In fact, aside from Mosley and Ray, the organization is not that great at drafting LBs. 

[JoeyFlex5]

What the hell...

[Drew P]

There's a ton of UFA's at the ILB position set to hit the market.

They are up against it being in cap hell but I think FA is the answer at that slot

[Italian Raven]

No way I want ILB to be taken in the first 2 rounds (maybe even 3-4).. Give me a Sio Moore or Kevin Minter and a late rounder to compete/rotate with Correa instead.

[Drew P]

4 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

No way I want ILB to be taken in the first 2 rounds (maybe even 3-4).. Give me a Sio Moore or Kevin Minter and a late rounder to compete/rotate with Correa instead.

I forgot about Onwuasor filled in when Orr got hurt he probably has a legit shot to at least compete

[jboy19]

27 minutes ago, Drew P said:

There's a ton of UFA's at the ILB position set to hit the market.

They are up against it being in cap hell but I think FA is the answer at that slot

They aren't in cap hell. They already have 15 million and the cap is probably going to go up. They can pick up another 10-15 million with a couple easy cuts. 

[Drew P]

6 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

They aren't in cap hell. They already have 15 million and the cap is probably going to go up. They can pick up another 10-15 million with a couple easy cuts. 

Well that's two decent players and its damn near rock bottom in the league..

[RavensDieHard21]

Address best way we can but if it's a weakness then oh well. There are more pressing needs

[hn68wb4]

1 hour ago, Italian Raven said:

No way I want ILB to be taken in the first 2 rounds (maybe even 3-4).. Give me a Sio Moore or Kevin Minter and a late rounder to compete/rotate with Correa instead.

It's not ideal, but we all know Ozzie, if they deem one of the ILBs to be BPA at either pick then you can bank on it. Foster could easily be the pick and if Jarrad Davis is on the clock at our second then he could be the pick too.

[Italian Raven]

21 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's not ideal, but we all know Ozzie, if they deem one of the ILBs to be BPA at either pick then you can bank on it. Foster could easily be the pick and if Jarrad Davis is on the clock at our second then he could be the pick too.

I know.. But I'd be livid. Too much talent at those positions which are way tougher to address than ILB2.

Like Drew says too, we may already have the future starter in the house. We really don't need another high pick spent in that position.

[hn68wb4]

20 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

I know.. But I'd be livid. Too much talent at those positions which are way tougher to address than ILB2.

Like Drew says too, we may already have the future starter in the house. We really don't need another high pick spent in that position.

It's possible we have the replacement in house already, Onwuasor worked his way into playing time, we kept Luckett on IR when we obviously didn't have to, Levine was more or less moved to LB as well, we've certainly got options but I'd be surprised if the position goes completely unaddressed via the draft or free agency.

I don't expect us to address LB early unless the value is just too good to pass up as I already said, but the position in my opinion has moved up the needs list and instead of being "maybe" addressed in the mid rounds at the highest it has become a near certainty in my mind.

[jboy19]

Im not actually sure that Orr retiring affects the draft strategy that much. Realistically, he was going to be a UFA next year and since Mosley is likely gonna get his 5th year option activated next offseason, it would have been contract chicken between the two and Mosley probably would have won. 

Im really just grateful that Orr is getting out before something terrible happened to him on the field. 

[RaineV1]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's possible we have the replacement in house already, Onwuasor worked his way into playing time, we kept Luckett on IR when we obviously didn't have to, Levine was more or less moved to LB as well, we've certainly got options but I'd be surprised if the position goes completely unaddressed via the draft or free agency.

There's also Correa.

We could even end up with another UDFA or some cheap free agent half the board never heard of before that ends up playing well. Even during the Mosley years after Lewis retired the Ravens have rarely used a high pick for the second ILB spot. The only reason we had Brown and Mosley in back to back years is because the Ravens knew Brown wasn't going to be the star ILB the team wanted and needed. For that matter after a year it was kinda obvious he wasn't even going to be a starter.

[hn68wb4]

5 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

There's also Correa.

I still don't see any good reason to keep Correa at ILB, it'd be a waste of his naturally quick first step and his pass rush moves - while his moves are raw, they're there and with some polish can be effective. To me he looks like a natural edge and the move to ILB was just a ploy to get him some playing time that failed, we saw that although he's athletic, being inside is just not where he should be moving forward.

[Adreme]

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

Well that's two decent players and its damn near rock bottom in the league..

A lot of the cap space the good teams have is going to shrink massively as they sign there players whereas even if the Ravens resign everyone they want after cuts there cap space will likely be about the same.

Cap hell is what the Cowboys are dealing with where they don't actually have any capacity space even after cutting Romo so they will likely have to restructure some deals with either Lee Whitten or Free or cut one.

[JoeyFlex5]

Prepare yourselves people... 

if Reuben foster is there at 16 we will take him. He is a MLB so there's a good shot he will be there too. They just rarely go high.

[Deflated Football]

I don't know much about Foster as I don't watch Bama football, but I've read he's the second coming of Kuechly. How true is that statement?

[RaineV1]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Prepare yourselves people... 

if Reuben foster is there at 16 we will take him. He is a MLB so there's a good shot he will be there too. They just rarely go high.

It's true that they rarely get picked high, but pretty much every mock I've seen has him going in the top 10. And I can't see him getting past the Saints. The guy is being hyped up as the best linebacker in Alabama's history and as the second coming of Kueckly.

[ravensnick]

This offensive tackle class really, really sucks. It is imperative that we sign Ricky Wagner, even if we have to pay him a bit more than he's really worth. The only tackles I'd give a first round grade are Cam Robinson from Alabama and Ryan Ramcyzk from Wisconsin and they are far from perfect. I wouldn't touch either one of them with a top 20 pick. Robinson got arrested last offseason for possessing a stolen gun. Ramcyzk is undergoing postseason hip surgery and projects more as a RT anyway. We simply can't afford Wagner to walk. The other tackles in the draft are a huge drop off from the two mentioned, so I'm not seeing any midround steals.

Edited January 20 by ravensnick

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

It's true that they rarely get picked high, but pretty much every mock I've seen has him going in the top 10. And I can't see him getting past the Saints. The guy is being hyped up as the best linebacker in Alabama's history and as the second coming of Kueckly.

definitely true but all it takes is for teams to decide that theres flashier positions to address, which is what most teams picking high in the first tend to do. 

im not saying it happens, im saying theres a chance, i too think he goes top 10, just saying that theres a possibility he falls to 16 and if he does hes gonna be a raven and i think garrett and jonathan allen are probably the only other prospects wed take over him. i could absolutely see him being 3rd on ozzies board.

[Drew P]

7 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

This offensive tackle class really, really sucks. It is imperative that we sign Ricky Wagner, even if we have to pay him a bit more than he's really worth. The only tackles I'd give a first round grade are Cam Robinson from Alabama and Ryan Ramcyzk from Wisconsin and they are far from perfect. I wouldn't touch either one of them with a top 20 pick. Robinson got arrested last season for possessing a stolen gun. Ramcyzk is undergoing postseason hip surgery and projects more as a RT anyway. We simply can't afford Wagner to walk. 

Well they got great value in Wagner and its possible they can hit again in the draft considering RT's aren't a first round target

Edited January 20 by Drew P
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[ravensnick]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

definitely true but all it takes is for teams to decide that theres flashier positions to address, which is what most teams picking high in the first tend to do. 

im not saying it happens, im saying theres a chance, i too think he goes top 10, just saying that theres a possibility he falls to 16 and if he does hes gonna be a raven and i think garrett and jonathan allen are probably the only other prospects wed take over him. i could absolutely see him being 3rd on ozzies board.

I wouldn't mind taking a player as good as Foster at 16 no matter the position, but we have a huge lack of offensive talent that needs to be addressed through free agency and the draft if we want Joe to succeed.

[ravensnick]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

Well they great value in Wagner and its possible they can hit again in the draft considering RT's aren't a first round target

Wagner took time to develop and he was a home run pick for a fifth rounder. I don't want to be to trot out a guy like Roderick Johnson out as our starter next season. That would be asking to end Joe's career.

[allblackraven]

40 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Prepare yourselves people... 

if Reuben foster is there at 16 we will take him. He is a MLB so there's a good shot he will be there too. They just rarely go high.

They do rarely go high and one of those rarities is Foster. He's a top 10 guy in any class.

[Drew P]

40 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I don't know much about Foster as I don't watch Bama football, but I've read he's the second coming of Kuechly. How true is that statement?

He's legit.

http://fanbuzz.com/story/leonard-fournette-describes-hit-from-bamas-reuben-foster-as-biggest-hit-ive-ever-taken/

[mc_red23]

I'd prefer for us to draft a CB but IF Foster is there at 16 then you won't see me complaining, what a player he could become! I have a feeling he'll be long gone before we pick though.