2017 - on your radars

[Darhk_Raven]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I doubt either of them are there and I think hooker would draw us away far more than Adams. 

I'm really getting on board with Charles Harris at 16. I've been watching him more and I'm seriously becoming enamored. He actually bends better than I gave him credit for and he needs very minimal coaching and physically he is the prototype.

I also love a Sidney Jones and either Ryan Anderson or Harold Landry combo.

PFF released their top 32 prospect rankings and 16 wouldn't be too far off of where they have him ranked, which is currently 20. 

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I doubt either of them are there and I think hooker would draw us away far more than Adams. 

I would highly doubt this. Adams is clearly the best DB in the class by a good bit.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

This year is insane with the number of high end edge rushers in the draft.

Matt Miller has eight in his top 22.

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

no i know this year is loaded, i just didnt know that next year looks so weak...

It's not so much that it looks weak, it's just that Landry would probably be a first round edge guy in most drafts, and having another year of doing good against quality opponents like he did this year would solidify that. Last year someone like him might have gone over Shaq Lawson.

[RaineV1]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would highly doubt this. Adams is clearly the best DB in the class by a good bit.

I think people are getting a bit too hyped on Hooker. I really like him as a prospect and wouldn't think twice of picking him, but the board might think higher of him than teams do right now. It seems to happen quite a few times. However, plenty of teams might prefer the proven talent over a one year wonder, especially considering how many teams have been burned taking a guy with only one good year.

[rossihunter2]

24 minutes ago, Darhk_Raven said:

PFF released their top 32 prospect rankings and 16 wouldn't be too far off of where they have him ranked, which is currently 20. 

I have him around 20 as well at the moment which obviously only makes sense if we trade down (I imagine pff had more qbs above him on their big board though)

[Darhk_Raven]

16 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I have him around 20 as well at the moment which obviously only makes sense if we trade down (I imagine pff had more qbs above him on their big board though)

No, Watson is the only QB above him and it's only two on the whole list. 

[BmoreBird22]

45 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think people are getting a bit too hyped on Hooker. I really like him as a prospect and wouldn't think twice of picking him, but the board might think higher of him than teams do right now. It seems to happen quite a few times. However, plenty of teams might prefer the proven talent over a one year wonder, especially considering how many teams have been burned taking a guy with only one good year.

With Adams, I see an All Pro strong safety or free safety. You can lock him up with a tight end or put him single high. He's like the best of Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor all in one. 

I think Hooker will be great, but Adams could be similar to Sean Taylor.

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

With Adams, I see an All Pro strong safety or free safety. You can lock him up with a tight end or put him single high. He's like the best of Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor all in one. 

I think Hooker will be great, but Adams could be similar to Sean Taylor.

I'd suggest in playing style hooker is more like earl thomas than Jamal Adams - Sean Taylor is a good comp for Adams though

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would highly doubt this. Adams is clearly the best DB in the class by a good bit.

I feel like you can consider them basically even and it comes to preference in playing style. I think hooker looks like a better single high roamer type of guy while Adams looks more like the All around Eric berry type safety.

My personal preference is hooker, especially with Eric weddle on the field.

[BmoreBird22]

52 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I feel like you can consider them basically even and it comes to preference in playing style. I think hooker looks like a better single high roamer type of guy while Adams looks more like the All around Eric berry type safety.

My personal preference is hooker, especially with Eric weddle on the field.

Just as people said, people are getting way too hyped on Hooker.

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Just as people said, people are getting way too hyped on Hooker.

Idk man. This is definitely the best top 2 safeties since berry and Thomas and while I think calling hooker the next ed reed is obviously way too much, I can see where they're coming from. 

To compare talent levels is one thing, to compare styles of play is another. I think hooker needs a faster backpedal, he needs to cut out the false steps at the snap, and he needs to learn to pre diagnose and be on the move pre snap rather than diagnose the play a second after the snap. But he definitely has the range and he always seems to make the right call on his coverage. I think he looks special.

[rmw10]

10 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think people are getting a bit too hyped on Hooker. I really like him as a prospect and wouldn't think twice of picking him, but the board might think higher of him than teams do right now. It seems to happen quite a few times. However, plenty of teams might prefer the proven talent over a one year wonder, especially considering how many teams have been burned taking a guy with only one good year.

It depends on what type of safety you like. I think Adams is more of a sure bet to be a very good safety. I just look at Hooker as a guy who has a rare skill set that is very difficult to find. He's definitely not as safe of a prospect, and I'll freely admit that. I just like him better because I feel like that true rangy, center fielder type is becoming a rarity. I think it comes down to personal preference. 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Idk man. This is definitely the best top 2 safeties since berry and Thomas and while I think calling hooker the next ed reed is obviously way too much, I can see where they're coming from. 

To compare talent levels is one thing, to compare styles of play is another. I think hooker needs a faster backpedal, he needs to cut out the false steps at the snap, and he needs to learn to pre diagnose and be on the move pre snap rather than diagnose the play a second after the snap. But he definitely has the range and he always seems to make the right call on his coverage. I think he looks special.

I think Sean Taylor and earl Thomas are good comps for Adams and hooker - ed reed-lite if you will - he really does looks special - he's the type of guy you almost have to risk it with because he could be that good

that being said I have them at 3 and 4 on my board at the moment so it's not like I'd be unhappy with either player

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Idk man. This is definitely the best top 2 safeties since berry and Thomas and while I think calling hooker the next ed reed is obviously way too much, I can see where they're coming from. 

I'm just wary because you're talking about a first year starter who played with two top 20 talents at corner with an extremely strong front seven. I'd liked to have seen more time with him.

[RaineV1]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm just wary because you're talking about a first year starter who played with two top 20 talents at corner with an extremely strong front seven. I'd liked to have seen more time with him.

This is why he could end up sliding farther than people think he will. I can't say I'd be shocked to see him go ahead of us, but I don't see it as a forgone conclusion. Especially in this draft class that is really strong, combined with safeties generally not going that high (even in Ramsey's case he went as a corner instead).

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm just wary because you're talking about a first year starter who played with two top 20 talents at corner with an extremely strong front seven. I'd liked to have seen more time with him.

I understand that and it's a concern of mine as well. 

However... If he's there at 16 I can't think of a player id prefer over him unless somehow Barnett tumbles as well.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I understand that and it's a concern of mine as well. 

However... If he's there at 16 I can't think of a player id prefer over him unless somehow Barnett tumbles as well.

I don't think either realistically lasts until 16. A gamble on someone with that type of ceiling isn't unusual in higher picks.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I understand that and it's a concern of mine as well. 

However... If he's there at 16 I can't think of a player id prefer over him unless somehow Barnett tumbles as well.

Oh imagine if that's the choice we get to make - that'd be a draft day dream

[ALI624]

Everyone needs to hope and pray that 3-4 QBs go before we pick.

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

49 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Everyone needs to hope and pray that 3-4 QBs go before we pick.

Yes this is huge, need at least 3!

[ALI624]

16 minutes ago, Club Sec. 217 Seat 2 said:

Yes this is huge, need at least 3!

Here's hoping that they ball out at the combine.

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, ALI624 said:

Everyone needs to hope and pray that 3-4 QBs go before we pick.

I think at least 2 go - but our best bet of a third is the fact the browns pick twice before us and therefore have 2 chances to grab a qb in round 1 which hopefully means they'll grab one, I can't see the 49ers not drafting one, the bears probably should take one as well

[ALI624]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think at least 2 go - but our best bet of a third is the fact the browns pick twice before us and therefore have 2 chances to grab a qb in round 1 which hopefully means they'll grab one, I can't see the 49ers not drafting one, the bears probably should take one as well

Jets too possibly doesn't look like Petty or Hackenberg are their franchise QBs.

[RavensDieHard21]

I 100% believe that 3QBs go. Leaving 12 other prospects that will be selected. My top 12 guys, regardless of team needs that I think will go: 

1.Garrett 

2. Allen 

3. Fournette 

4. Adams 

5. Barnett 

6. Hooker 

7. M. Williams 

8. Foster 

9. Robinson 

10. Cook 

11. Q. Wilson

12. T. Williams / S. jones 

Very very likely we are getting a game changer at 16.

[Darhk_Raven]

25 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I 100% believe that 3QBs go. Leaving 12 other prospects that will be selected. My top 12 guys, regardless of team needs that I think will go: 

1.Garrett 

2. Allen 

3. Fournette 

4. Adams 

5. Barnett 

6. Hooker 

7. M. Williams 

8. Foster 

9. Robinson 

10. Cook 

11. Q. Wilson

12. T. Williams / S. jones 

Very very likely we are getting a game changer at 16.

It would be great if we could come away with Wilson. 

[RaineV1]

One small school guy to keep an eye on is Tanoh Kpassagnon, a 3-4 DE from Villanova. He's a freakish athlete. He's officially listed at 6'7" 290, however he plays with the speed of players fifty pounds lighter. You'd think a guy like this would be mostly about power, but his speed was his best asset. He'd knock o-linemen's hands away and then run right by them. At times Villanova would have him split out wide to take on tackles and they would be overwhelmed by his combination of power, burst off the line, and his ability to fly by them. With a bit of coaching and experience he could be a monster at the NFL level.

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, RaineV1 said:

One small school guy to keep an eye on is Tanoh Kpassagnon, a 3-4 DE from Villanova. He's a freakish athlete. He's officially listed at 6'7" 290, however he plays with the speed of players fifty pounds lighter. You'd think a guy like this would be mostly about power, but his speed was his best asset. He'd knock o-linemen's hands away and then run right by them. At times Villanova would have him split out wide to take on tackles and they would be overwhelmed by his combination of power, burst off the line, and his ability to fly by them. With a bit of coaching and experience he could be a monster at the NFL level.

Yeah, definitely a guy to look out for, he's participating at the Senior Bowl so we'll get a look at how he does against higher level competition. Personally I question whether he has the strength to stand up at 3-4 DE, granted the last time I watched him was a while ago so I may be confusing him for someone else, but if I'm remembering correctly that was my takeaway, not the strongest guy but he's athletic and has the prototype size, with some polish he could be a good player.

[RaineV1]

1 minute ago, hn68wb4 said:

Yeah, definitely a guy to look out for, he's participating at the Senior Bowl so we'll get a look at how he does against higher level competition. Personally I question whether he has the strength to stand up at 3-4 DE, granted the last time I watched him was a while ago so I may be confusing him for someone else, but if I'm remembering correctly that was my takeaway, not the strongest guy but he's athletic and has the prototype size, with some polish he could be a good player.

Yeah, at the NFL level he might be better off being used as an edge rusher/4-3 DE. He could serve the same type of role Suggs does for the Ravens, a guy that mainly just rushes, sets the edge, and breaks up screens. I think if he can be given one on one matchups with tackles he'll win more often than not.

[hn68wb4]

 

Whelp ILB just shot up our needs list, we needed depth badly with him, now we need a freaking starter.