2017 - on your radars

[ravensnation5220]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

hes done very well knifing gaps and can close in on the qb with ridiculous efficiency. ive seen him dip under blockers very well, but doing that on the interior is different than bending the edge, but yeah i think he could be a really good edge rusher but it may require a redshirt season.

So I just looked at Charles Harris some more and.....he can bend. I was shocked when I saw it but he did an excellent job vs Georgia with it. His first step is still unreal. I think he could be worth a top 20 pick. He's got plenty of pass rush moves and seems like an instant impact player. Plus his arms are super long from what it seems. Can't wait for him at the combine

Walter football who I know you like. Says he has top 20 potential and fits best in a 3-4

Edited December 31, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[hn68wb4]

I always underestimate just how fast Dalvin Cook is, he's big and fast, and his acceleration is unreal. A RB in the first is really the last thing I'd want, but I think Cook will be the most successful RB in the class.

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I always underestimate just how fast Dalvin Cook is, he's big and fast, and his acceleration is unreal. A RB in the first is really the last thing I'd want, but I think Cook will be the most successful RB in the class.

ive said cook was better than fournette for well over a year now. that boy is unbelievable and really the prototype modern back.

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

So I just looked at Charles Harris some more and.....he can bend. I was shocked when I saw it but he did an excellent job vs Georgia with it. His first step is still unreal. I think he could be worth a top 20 pick. He's got plenty of pass rush moves and seems like an instant impact player. Plus his arms are super long from what it seems. Can't wait for him at the combine

Walter football who I know you like. Says he has top 20 potential and fits best in a 3-4

im not denying any of that except for the bend part, i just havent seen it, ill take a look at the georgia film when i get a chance. 

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

im not denying any of that except for the bend part, i just havent seen it, ill take a look at the georgia film when i get a chance. 

At 0:52 is what I'm talking about 

 

Hes also done it vs vandy. At 0:20

 

[JoeyFlex5]

those were some good bends but they looked really difficult for him lol, he looked stiff and the first one was more underhook than bend, and the second one he totally lost his balance and footing and was lucky that the qb was oblivious to him otherwise he wouldve taken himself right out of the play. 

but then again joey bosa had that same problem and he had a good rookie season and he brings less burst off the line. 

like i said i liked him a lot at first, more than barnett tbh, but once i noticed the differences in their bend i changed my mind. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt hate him as a first round pick, i just think he would be a bit of a need reach and im much more of a BPA guy.

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

those were some good bends but they looked really difficult for him lol, he looked stiff and the first one was more underhook than bend, and the second one he totally lost his balance and footing and was lucky that the qb was oblivious to him otherwise he wouldve taken himself right out of the play. 

but then again joey bosa had that same problem and he had a good rookie season and he brings less burst off the line. 

like i said i liked him a lot at first, more than barnett tbh, but once i noticed the differences in their bend i changed my mind. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt hate him as a first round pick, i just think he would be a bit of a need reach and im much more of a BPA guy.

True. I see what you mean but at least you know he can win with an outside move. Which just ads to the multiple pass rush moves he already has. He's still top 20 in my eyes with pass rushers being such a commodity, and he's very polished as a pass rusher unlike takk 

 BPA is gonna be tough this year but Harris has to be in the mix if he's there. I'm thinking Humphrey and Jones could be there adoree too. I've really lightened up to Humphrey. He actually turns his head more often than given credit for. 

I think it'll come down to corner or pass rusher unless we view one of those interior lineman highly. However with how biscotti pushed for pass rush last year and how it lacked consistency late in games this year Ozzie will want a guy like Harris who can make an immediate impact for our front 7 while still have a chance to learn behind suggs. 

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

True. I see what you mean but at least you know he can win with an outside move. Which just ads to the multiple pass rush moves he already has. He's still top 20 in my eyes with pass rushers being such a commodity, and he's very polished as a pass rusher unlike takk 

 BPA is gonna be tough this year but Harris has to be in the mix if he's there. I'm thinking Humphrey and Jones could be there adoree too. I've really lightened up to Humphrey. He actually turns his head more often than given credit for. 

I think it'll come down to corner or pass rusher unless we view one of those interior lineman highly. However with how biscotti pushed for pass rush last year and how it lacked consistency late in games this year Ozzie will want a guy like Harris who can make an immediate impact for our front 7 while still have a chance to learn behind suggs. 

like i said if we took harris, id understand it, i wouldnt hate the pick at all, and hell theres a chance he actually could be the BPA in an area of need, if we win sunday were looking at what, 19 or 20? i understand what he could bring but i guess im nitpicking. ive never had a problem with edge rushers who emphasize inside rushes, maybe i like to talk myself out of prospects who are actually available to us lol

[ravensnation5220]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

like i said if we took harris, id understand it, i wouldnt hate the pick at all, and hell theres a chance he actually could be the BPA in an area of need, if we win sunday were looking at what, 19 or 20? i understand what he could bring but i guess im nitpicking. ive never had a problem with edge rushers who emphasize inside rushes, maybe i like to talk myself out of prospects who are actually available to us lol

Ya I feel you lol. I did the same thing with Stanley and perrimam lol. The problem with bpa is your always hoping someone better will fall rather than talking yourself into liking a player at a spot. The higher the chance that player is available there. The less you like it. Lol it sucks

[hn68wb4]

Too bad for Jake Butt, they're saying his Orange Bowl injury was a ligament injury, not sure yet between ACL and MCL, not sure if it's a tear, but if it is then that's an injury that could make him tumble a couple rounds. If you didn't understand why some higher rated players decided to sit out their bowl game, there you go, this is why.

[allblackraven]

28 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Too bad for Jake Butt, they're saying his Orange Bowl injury was a ligament injury, not sure yet between ACL and MCL, not sure if it's a tear, but if it is then that's an injury that could make him tumble a couple rounds. If you didn't understand why some higher rated players decided to sit out their bowl game, there you go, this is why.

This one looked pretty bad initially but he walked out to locker room on his own, moving fairly well.

[RaineV1]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i wish he was used properly at stanford because i wanna know what he does as an edge rusher. hes not a NFL DT and we would be evaluating him as an edge rusher and it irritates me so bad that we cant properly make that evaluation. 

plus, its a big conversion he has to make, making the NFL leap while also learning a new position, that could mean a redshirt season which is not something we are prepared for.

Yeah. I think in the NFL he has to be either an OLB in a 3-4 or a DE in a 4-3. Though he has some potential as an interior passrusher on obvious passing downs (like 3rd and 5+). I think he could do well in his rookie year if a team kept it simple for him, just rush the QB and set the edge.

[Jacquouille]

Have people forgotten about Demarcus Walker? He could be a beast in a McPhee role.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Have people forgotten about Demarcus Walker? He could be a beast in a McPhee role.

I think the Williams and Barnett hype train overshadowed Walker. The only potential problem I see with Walker is that he might not fit a 3-4 team all that well. He's a bit on the small end to play 3-4 DE, but he might not be able to play in space well enough to be a good 3-4 OLB. He's a far more natural fit for a 4-3 team. However, he could certainly be worth the gamble is Barnett and Williams are gone. Who knows, he could turn out to be the type of guy that can play both 3-4 DE and OLB, like Mario Edwards.

[443hurricane]

11 hours ago, allblackraven said:

This one looked pretty bad initially but he walked out to locker room on his own, moving fairly well.

For every one crying about Jake Butt then you have Dalvin Cook and Deshaun Watson and Jonathan Allen. He could get hurt in camp like Perriman and D. Fowler. That is why I would be pissed if we drafted McCaffrey scared money. I doubt he has a successful career like Elliott or even Bell you can't be scared of the work!

[Ravenseconbeast]

2 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

For every one crying about Jake Butt then you have Dalvin Cook and Deshaun Watson and Jonathan Allen. He could get hurt in camp like Perriman and D. Fowler. That is why I would be pissed if we drafted McCaffrey scared money. I doubt he has a successful career like Elliott or even Bell you can't be scared of the work!

 

Out of the 3 mentioned, I'd look into Dalvin Cook.   Deshaun/Jonathan...meh...

[GrimCoconut]

21 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

So I just looked at Charles Harris some more and.....he can bend. I was shocked when I saw it but he did an excellent job vs Georgia with it. His first step is still unreal. I think he could be worth a top 20 pick. He's got plenty of pass rush moves and seems like an instant impact player. Plus his arms are super long from what it seems. Can't wait for him at the combine

Walter football who I know you like. Says he has top 20 potential and fits best in a 3-4

I haven't watched much of them this year but this guy is at the top of my list to next watch. I really like what I've heard about him but I want to see these hips and his bend myself. 

[GrimCoconut]

19 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I feel you lol. I did the same thing with Stanley and perrimam lol. The problem with bpa is your always hoping someone better will fall rather than talking yourself into liking a player at a spot. The higher the chance that player is available there. The less you like it. Lol it sucks

 

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

like i said if we took harris, id understand it, i wouldnt hate the pick at all, and hell theres a chance he actually could be the BPA in an area of need, if we win sunday were looking at what, 19 or 20? i understand what he could bring but i guess im nitpicking. ive never had a problem with edge rushers who emphasize inside rushes, maybe i like to talk myself out of prospects who are actually available to us lol

How often I've heard that "player X is too good and will never fall to us" and then change to "I'd rather get player y than player x".  It's funny how we rationalize how certain propspects are either in or out of reach depending on how much we like them as a means of decreasing our expectations of acquiring them. The truth is it's very rare someone can accurately guess and maintain that guess on someone's draft stock. Bosa and VH3 are two guys who went up and down on people's boards frequently here along with Alexander. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

For every one crying about Jake Butt then you have Dalvin Cook and Deshaun Watson and Jonathan Allen. He could get hurt in camp like Perriman and D. Fowler. That is why I would be pissed if we drafted McCaffrey scared money. I doubt he has a successful career like Elliott or even Bell you can't be scared of the work!

its literally an exhibition game. its like the pro bowl but a majority of the kids playing these games are either returning to the same team for another season or are never playing another snap of football again. for first round draft picks there is absolutely no shame in looking ahead to your career because you dont want to destroy your future for a meaningless exhibition game.

bowl games literally mean nothing for well established programs, they help build hype for struggling programs if they can put together a solid season and a bowl game win which helps with future recruiting, but for stanford that game means nothing. its a preseason game thats just being played during the playoffs and is backed by tons of media hype, nothing more. it doesnt indicate that hes scared of football that he sits out, its a business decision and frankly a smart one. these guys want to play with their team one last time, football is a sport of pride and tradition, they are making a sacrifice here for theirselves and their future employers(the team who drafts them). 

[allblackraven]

Well, I was wrong about Butt - he tore his ACL:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18385112/michigan-wolverines-te-jake-butt-suffered-torn-acl-orange-bowl

Likely to pick up $2M insurance policy if taken after the 2nd round.

[hn68wb4]

As much as I really dislike the WR class, now that it's starting to get fleshed out with some underclassmen I'm starting to come around. I'm disappointed that James Washington is staying in school but look out for Carlos Henderson from La Tech, I've love what I've seen from him, super shifty possession guy, could be good pick to man the slot.

[usmccharles]

@JoeyFlex5 Who are you hoping we grab in the first? I always like your breakdowns. I see a lot of people talking about Jones, C Harris, T Williams.  Since our season is over now i plan on doing some more reading.  We better go CB or a pass rusher in the first, definitely big needs. 

We need to get some videos going in here

[Somerset Ravens]

On 12/31/2016 at 8:14 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

its literally an exhibition game. its like the pro bowl but a majority of the kids playing these games are either returning to the same team for another season or are never playing another snap of football again. for first round draft picks there is absolutely no shame in looking ahead to your career because you dont want to destroy your future for a meaningless exhibition game.

bowl games literally mean nothing for well established programs, they help build hype for struggling programs if they can put together a solid season and a bowl game win which helps with future recruiting, but for stanford that game means nothing. its a preseason game thats just being played during the playoffs and is backed by tons of media hype, nothing more. it doesnt indicate that hes scared of football that he sits out, its a business decision and frankly a smart one. these guys want to play with their team one last time, football is a sport of pride and tradition, they are making a sacrifice here for theirselves and their future employers(the team who drafts them). 

College bowl games are nothing like an exhibition game. It is an honor for a college team to be chosen to play in a bowl game. Football is a team game and a player walking out on his team is a selfish act.

[Davesta]

JuJu smith would be a great 2nd round option. 

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, Davesta said:

JuJu smith would be a great 2nd round option. 

I'd rather wait for Burnett

[52520Andrew]

I want baby Zeus

[allblackraven]

37 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I want baby Zeus

I forgot that game is today, too

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

College bowl games are nothing like an exhibition game. It is an honor for a college team to be chosen to play in a bowl game. Football is a team game and a player walking out on his team is a selfish act.

I played sports my entire life, but if you tell me i have potential millions of dollars waiting for me as long as i dont get injured on my way to my next job, so be it.  Some of these guys give years to their team taking a pounding and abuse on their body, some of these teams wouldnt even be in these bowl games with out the players, so them taking off one game...teams should understand they have to do whats best for them and their family.  A player has a short pro career, a school is going to be there forever...

[Somerset Ravens]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I played sports my entire life, but if you tell me i have potential millions of dollars waiting for me as long as i dont get injured on my way to my next job, so be it.  Some of these guys give years to their team taking a pounding and abuse on their body, some of these teams wouldnt even be in these bowl games with out the players, so them taking off one game...teams should understand they have to do whats best for them and their family.  A player has a short pro career, a school is going to be there forever...

I understand completely what you are saying about the money aspect. If you believe money is that important to you don't play in the bowl game. Money isn't that important to everyone but that is a value judgment for each individual to make. Not playing in the bowl game is a case of putting yourself before others which is the definition if selfish.

 

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I understand completely what you are saying about the money aspect. If you believe money is that important to you don't play in the bowl game. Money isn't that important to everyone but that is a value judgment for each individual to make. Not playing in the bowl game is a case of putting yourself before others which is the definition if selfish.

Yea, that is the definition of selfish I still have no issue with it.  Considering most of these kids have grown up poor, I cant blame them for making that decision and sometimes its good to be selfish.  Im sure Jaylon Smith wishes he was a tad more selfish...because its not just about the money for everyone....he cant even play right now.  But yea, I see what you mean