2017 - on your radars

[RaineV1]

Harold Landry, edge rusher from Boston College, put on a pretty good show against Maryland in the Quick Lane Bowl. He also played fairly well when facing ranked opponents like Clemson and Flordia State. If the Ravens go OL or DB in the first round, Landry could be a great edge rusher to pick up in the second round.

Edited December 28, 2016 by RaineV1

[jboy19]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Oakman wasn't even good.

Truth, I never liked him as a prospect. Mixon does actually have talent. But I do think that Oakman would have at least gotten on a practice squad for a year or two if he hadnt been arrested. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Harold Landry, edge rusher from Boston College, put on a pretty good show against Maryland in the Quick Lane Bowl. He also played fairly well when facing ranked opponents like Clemson and Flordia State. If the Ravens go OL or DB in the first round, Landry could be a great edge rusher to pick up in the second round.

Well, he has to declare first and there's a good chance he eeks into the first round.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Harold Landry, edge rusher from Boston College, put on a pretty good show against Maryland in the Quick Lane Bowl. He also played fairly well when facing ranked opponents like Clemson and Flordia State. If the Ravens go OL or DB in the first round, Landry could be a great edge rusher to pick up in the second round.

He reminds me of Nassib last year, great production that he got with good bend and an ability to pin his ears back, but i don't see enough strength at the point of attack to warrant a 1st or even 2nd round selection.

[JoeyFlex5]

I wish Charles Harris didn't play so stiff and tall and had some bend to his game. His first step is good and hands and inside moves are stellar. He just isn't gonna be a threat to turn the corner against NFL tackles. Its unfortunate.

[Jacquouille]

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wish Charles Harris didn't play so stiff and tall and had some bend to his game. His first step is good and hands and inside moves are stellar. He just isn't gonna be a threat to turn the corner against NFL tackles. Its unfortunate.

What I thought before watching the Vandy game.

Edited December 28, 2016 by Jacquouille

[ravensnation5220]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wish Charles Harris didn't play so stiff and tall and had some bend to his game. His first step is good and hands and inside moves are stellar. He just isn't gonna be a threat to turn the corner against NFL tackles. Its unfortunate.

Ya I have to agree. If prefer Tim Williams or Derek Barnett over him. They both show they can bend around tackles. Barnett actually surprised me this year by how often he won by doing so. Lawson can also do it but I don't think we'll pick him with his injury history and inconsistent play 

Oh forgot to mention takk McKinley. He's another who can bend the edge

[ravensnation5220]

15 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

What I thought before watching the Vandy game.

He doesn't get as low as you'd like though. He did win on the outside a few times but it was more due to his first step and the tackle couldn't get out in time. He still looked a little stiff doing so. 

What I did like from the tape was his explosiveness and his relentless attitude. 

I did notice his lack of awareness as well, especially in the run game. Suggs should be able to get that fixed though

[hn68wb4]

Watching the Pitt v. Northwestern game and I really want Ejuan Price, he's destroying their oline, and that spin move of his is so deadly. Shall I say Freeney-esque?

Edited December 28, 2016 by hn68wb4

[Italian Raven]

35 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Watching the Pitt v. Northwestern game and I really want Ejuan Price, he's destroying their oline, and that spin move of his is so deadly. Shall I say Freeney-esque?

Perfectly on point.. Many consider him 5th-6th rounder.. No way he gets past the 4th.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I have to agree. If prefer Tim Williams or Derek Barnett over him. They both show they can bend around tackles. Barnett actually surprised me this year by how often he won by doing so. Lawson can also do it but I don't think we'll pick him with his injury history and inconsistent play 

Oh forgot to mention takk McKinley. He's another who can bend the edge

I like McKinley a lot but his bend isn't quite what Williams or Barnett brings.

A big indicator for me is how an edge rusher can lean sideways and shorten the corner by going "under" the tackles outside shoulder, that lean allows his legs to take a wide angle thus maintaining speed while his momentum goes towards the pocket. The best example I can think of is demarcus ware, hes got the best bend I've ever seen and when I see That similar skill from college rushers than I think they are NFL ready. Barnett has the better bend but Williams has far better explosiveness and power, but after those 2 I think that bend becomes a question for basically every edge rusher.

[JoeyFlex5]

56 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Watching the Pitt v. Northwestern game and I really want Ejuan Price, he's destroying their oline, and that spin move of his is so deadly. Shall I say Freeney-esque?

I freaking love ejuan price. Maybe the most underrated defender of this class. He was in my first and only mock draft from a few months back and I'm now starting to see his name pick up steam.

[allblackraven]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I freaking love ejuan price. Maybe the most underrated defender of this class. He was in my first and only mock draft from a few months back and I'm now starting to see his name pick up steam.

He's very good but that would be second draft in a row we draft 24 yo OLB/rusher. Can we get someone younger, please?

[ravensnation5220]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like McKinley a lot but his bend isn't quite what Williams or Barnett brings.

A big indicator for me is how an edge rusher can lean sideways and shorten the corner by going "under" the tackles outside shoulder, that lean allows his legs to take a wide angle thus maintaining speed while his momentum goes towards the pocket. The best example I can think of is demarcus ware, hes got the best bend I've ever seen and when I see That similar skill from college rushers than I think they are NFL ready. Barnett has the better bend but Williams has far better explosiveness and power, but after those 2 I think that bend becomes a question for basically every edge rusher.

It's honestly amazing how well Barnett bends. There was one play vs Florida where the tackle never even touched him because of how low he got

[Jacquouille]

50 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I freaking love ejuan price. Maybe the most underrated defender of this class. He was in my first and only mock draft from a few months back and I'm now starting to see his name pick up steam.

The most underrated defender has to go to Des Lawrence imo. 

[hn68wb4]

34 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

The most underrated defender has to go to Des Lawrence imo. 

Des Lawrence is my guy! you can't have him!

[GrimCoconut]

Outside my love affair for Myles Garrett and Jonathan Allen who are both unlikely to be around when we pick, I love Barnett and even Tim Williams.  I know people say Williams won't be there and may even say no way Barnett is but I think one of them will be a Raven and I'm calling it now. 4 edge rushers would be very surprising before we pick tbh. I really think we go OLB round 1 then CB round 2 because I like the CB depth better than the OLB depth and I think we can trade up for a CB in the 2nd round easier than an OLB. I love Jones and while I could see him be a round 1 pick I can also see him slip out too or any other CB that's highly rated for that matter. 

Edited December 28, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[ravensnation5220]

We need a vote thread

[GrimCoconut]

4 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

It's honestly amazing how well Barnett bends. There was one play vs Florida where the tackle never even touched him because of how low he got

 

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like McKinley a lot but his bend isn't quite what Williams or Barnett brings.

A big indicator for me is how an edge rusher can lean sideways and shorten the corner by going "under" the tackles outside shoulder, that lean allows his legs to take a wide angle thus maintaining speed while his momentum goes towards the pocket. The best example I can think of is demarcus ware, hes got the best bend I've ever seen and when I see That similar skill from college rushers than I think they are NFL ready. Barnett has the better bend but Williams has far better explosiveness and power, but after those 2 I think that bend becomes a question for basically every edge rusher.

Yep. Barnett really bends the Hell out of the edge and makes the LT work for it.  I really like how he bends and rounds the edge when he comes to the QB, but I will say that after watching him very extensively I think he has discipline issues where he's too eager to make a play that it costs his team because he extends too far and is taken out of the play and opens up a lane for the QB or RB to move since it goes too far up field.  Another issue I noticed is him as a stand-up rusher.  I think he is a better 4-3 DE at this stage than 3-4 OLB, but  he can become both.  He is inconsistent in staying in his lane on a run play and doesn't always stay in his spot, leading back to the discipline issues I mentioned.  I'm not sure how well he will do as a pro because he really kills it at bending the edge, and I love that about him; however, his first step, while very good,  is slightly questionable for me.  I see him jumping offsides a LOT and it's just not called but that won't happen as a pro.  He needs to clean that up.  This concerns me because if you are jumping off sides like that, then it tends to mean the edge is guessing the snap count and that doesn't work often as a pro.  It makes me wonder why he's timing the count because he may not have confidence in his abilities. 

As I said, I really like Barnett.  I just wanted to mention these negatives I saw from him.  

[Jacquouille]

People be craving on Davis, but boy I want Josh Reynolds

[JoeyFlex5]

watching some tape on takk mckinley vs stanford and another player really leaped off the tape for me. stanfords LT #75 A.T. Hall looks like a future stud RT in the NFL. he stonewalled mckinleys pass rush and sealed him off with ease in the run game, takk never even sniffed the ballcarrier against this guy, and late in the game they moved him to the strong side and he suddenly began knifing into the backfield constantly, but then when they tried to move him back to the left he was again stonewalled. 

is this guy declaring or is he even able? he looked excellent.

 

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

watching some tape on takk mckinley vs stanford and another player really leaped off the tape for me. stanfords LT #75 A.T. Hall looks like a future stud RT in the NFL. he stonewalled mckinleys pass rush and sealed him off with ease in the run game, takk never even sniffed the ballcarrier against this guy, and late in the game they moved him to the strong side and he suddenly began knifing into the backfield constantly, but then when they tried to move him back to the left he was again stonewalled. 

is this guy declaring or is he even able? he looked excellent.

 

It seems like all of Stanford's linemen are well coached but a bit undersized. However, there's a few I'd take (like David Bright who has experience at G and RT). Sometimes it's better to bet on the guy that just needs some more muscle rather than hoping the sloppy mauler learns good technique.

[TNRaven24]

On 12/27/2016 at 0:18 PM, hn68wb4 said:

Not sure about that, Burfict was "too good" to go undrafted, and he did, with far less than what Mixon has done. The video makes all the difference, if no video came out then I'd agree, some team would take a shot on him, but no team wants to be associated whatsoever with that video, that would be a PR nightmare.

The video was 2 years ago and he was already punished for it.   I'm not saying Baltimore is the team to draft him because we all know that's not going to happen, but some team will.

[Cillmatic]

Solomon Thomas is a beast 

[ravensnation5220]

Derek Barnett is unreal. Anyone know that he had 29 sacks vs the SEC while Myles Garrett only has 12. His production and film are all I need to see. I hope he doesn't do too well at the combine so the ravens can nab him. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Derek Barnett is unreal. Anyone know that he had 29 sacks vs the SEC while Myles Garrett only has 12. His production and film are all I need to see. I hope he doesn't do too well at the combine so the ravens can nab him. 

he likely wont do very well, hes not an exceptional athlete by any means. i didnt like him for the longest time because last season he was horrible with missed tackles and awareness, but he has improved in those regards, and once i noticed how well he bends the corner i began to like him quite a bit. 

i think he goes top 15 though.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Solomon Thomas is a beast 

i wish he was used properly at stanford because i wanna know what he does as an edge rusher. hes not a NFL DT and we would be evaluating him as an edge rusher and it irritates me so bad that we cant properly make that evaluation. 

plus, its a big conversion he has to make, making the NFL leap while also learning a new position, that could mean a redshirt season which is not something we are prepared for.

[ravensnation5220]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he likely wont do very well, hes not an exceptional athlete by any means. i didnt like him for the longest time because last season he was horrible with missed tackles and awareness, but he has improved in those regards, and once i noticed how well he bends the corner i began to like him quite a bit. 

i think he goes top 15 though.

Ya I think your right. Probably won't make it outside the topp 15. I do think however he could if talk gets over drafted which I think will happen. Maybe we could trade up a couple spots to nab barnett. I wouldn't argue against it. His tape says top10 pick

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i wish he was used properly at stanford because i wanna know what he does as an edge rusher. hes not a NFL DT and we would be evaluating him as an edge rusher and it irritates me so bad that we cant properly make that evaluation. 

plus, its a big conversion he has to make, making the NFL leap while also learning a new position, that could mean a redshirt season which is not something we are prepared for.

I don't think he's gonna be anything more than a great run defender and situational interior pass rusher. Hes too stiff to win outside. He's winning in college because of his strength. That won't work as well in the pros. 

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I don't think he's gonna be anything more than a great run defender and situational interior pass rusher. Hes too stiff to win outside. He's winning in college because of his strength. That won't work as well in the pros. 

hes done very well knifing gaps and can close in on the qb with ridiculous efficiency. ive seen him dip under blockers very well, but doing that on the interior is different than bending the edge, but yeah i think he could be a really good edge rusher but it may require a redshirt season.