2017 - on your radars

[Jacquouille]

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just think it's time to come to grips with reality regarding Jimmy smith. We played a rookie qb and maybe the worst group of receivers in the league yesterday but against quality opponents our defense is totally handicapped once Jimmy goes down, and the odds are that he will go down at some point every year. We just can't have the fate of out defense lean so heavily on a guy who has played one out of 5 seasons healthy.

My point was more of «you can get starters in the later rounds at CB» look at Tavon or Jalen Mills or Rashard Robinson  or Boddy Calhoubn who are doing as much for their teams as Ramsey and Hargreaves. You can't do that with pass rushers. Of course if we get a CB in the first round I'd be super excited to pair him with Jimmy. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

My point was more of «you can get starters in the later rounds at CB» look at Tavon or Jalen Mills or Rashard Robinson  or Boddy Calhoubn who are doing as much for their teams as Ramsey and Hargreaves. You can't do that with pass rushers. Of course if we get a CB in the first round I'd be super excited to pair him with Jimmy. 

For every tavon young we have a chykie brown/asa Jackson/Christian Thompson. Just saying we have a better chance if we take a legit first round cb in the first. And then there's KC and Sergio kindle and Kruger who were all taken high but then 5th rounder Matt judon has done better than all of them as a rookie(for Kruger im comparing rookie seasons, scratch the later years for this comparison). 

Its all a crapshoot. But history says that you have a better chance finding a starter in rounds 1 and 2 than 4 and 5. Even though we have whiffed early a lot lately and done well in the late rounds, it's just really hard to put off good players at certain positions because you feel you can get a steal later.

[RaineV1]

After what happened against the Eagles, I want Elflein in the first. And maybe another interior lineman in the 4th round.

[BmoreBird22]

10 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

After what happened against the Eagles, I want Elflein in the first. And maybe another interior lineman in the 4th round.

I felt the only really weak link in that game was Ducasse and that can be a fix when Lewis comes back.

[RaineV1]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I felt the only really weak link in that game was Ducasse and that can be a fix when Lewis comes back.

Zuttah was a weak link too. And depending on what happens with Wagner, Lewis could be moving to RT in the future.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, RaineV1 said:

Zuttah was a weak link too. And depending on what happens with Wagner, Lewis could be moving to RT in the future.

I would not classify Zuttah as a weak link, at all, in that game or some of the recent games. His reputation supersedes his play.

[JoeyFlex5]

Is dan feeney really a 2nd rounder in scouts eyes? Sounds incredibly unrealistic based on tape and the run games he's paved the way for.

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Is dan feeney really a 2nd rounder in scouts eyes? Sounds incredibly unrealistic based on tape and the run games he's paved the way for.

I think Feeney may have passed Elfein in scouts eyes.

Matt Miller, who I really respect, has Feeney as his second offensive lineman off the board behind only Ramczyk. Elfein in the third to the Panthers.

Edited December 20, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Feeney may have passed Elfein in scouts eyes.

Matt Miller, who I really respect, has Feeney as his second offensive lineman off the board behind only Ramczyk. Elfein in the third to the Panthers.

i still have nelson first but feeney is a close second. 

question is though., can either of them pplay C?

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i still have nelson first but feeney is a close second. 

question is though., can either of them pplay C?

I'd venture to say Elfein definitely can and Pocic has seemingly been extremely consistent this season,

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd venture to say Elfein definitely can and Pocic has seemingly been extremely consistent this season,

i meant nelson and feeney. thats where i think elflein really closes the gap with those 2, hes a natural center and the other 2 are guards. 

also i thought pocic was really up and down this year? at least early in the year all the reports said he was

[ravensnation5220]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd venture to say Elfein definitely can and Pocic has seemingly been extremely consistent this season,

 

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i meant nelson and feeney. thats where i think elflein really closes the gap with those 2, hes a natural center and the other 2 are guards. 

also i thought pocic was really up and down this year? at least early in the year all the reports said he was

The thing I really like about this class is the fact that there are options for interior lineman throughout the first three rounds. Depth at positions of need for the ravens in this year's draft class benefits is tremendously. CB, OLD and interior OL are stacked from rounds 1-3 and we all know we need long term answers at all positions

Any suggestions on who the best trio could be?

Edited December 20, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would not classify Zuttah as a weak link, at all, in that game or some of the recent games. His reputation supersedes his play.

I'll never understand this disdain for Zuttah, especially recently. He's been very solid for us for several weeks now. It's like people forget that he had a serious shoulder injury that he was working his way back from. 

[Jacquouille]

5 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

The thing I really like about this class is the fact that there are options for interior lineman throughout the first three rounds. Depth at positions of need for the ravens in this year's draft class benefits is tremendously. CB, OLD and interior OL are stacked from rounds 1-3 and we all know we need long term answers at all positions

Any suggestions on who the best trio could be?

Well, it's hard to make a prediction when you don't know who's gonna go where. I'd say Barnett-Nelson-Des Lawrence would be a good start. But that also depebds on how much you value each needs. If you think pass rusher is not the biggest need, Sidney-Nelson-Hubbard would be cool.

[Jacquouille]

I just saw Solomon Thomas' message to McCaffrey. I think I'm in love with this guy, if we continue to look for A+ character like we did this year he's our guy, no doubt. 

 

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i meant nelson and feeney. thats where i think elflein really closes the gap with those 2, hes a natural center and the other 2 are guards. 

also i thought pocic was really up and down this year? at least early in the year all the reports said he was

I had read he was, but it seems as of late, he's just been cementing himself as one of the top interior lineman. Haven't heard a negative about him lately.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I had read he was, but it seems as of late, he's just been cementing himself as one of the top interior lineman. Haven't heard a negative about him lately.

I was touting pocic really hard for the past year but I haven't been able to watch prospects this year so I calmed down that hype after hearing he was real shaky earlier in the year. I like his iq and his build and athleticism that suggests he can literally play any spot in a pinch. If we could land him in the 3rd even if he never becomes a full starter and plays as a quality backup to all positions, then it's a hell of a pick. A guy like that could allow us to NOT reshuffle the whole line anytime a guy gets injured.

Edited December 20, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Jacquouille]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was touting pocic really hard for the past year but I haven't been able to watch prospects this year so I calmed down that hype after hearing he was real shaky earlier in the year. I like his iq and his build and athleticism that suggests he can literally play any spot in a pinch. If we could land him in the 3rd even if he never becomes a full starter and plays as a quality backup to all positions, then it's a hell of a pick. A guy like that could allow us to NOT reshuffle the whole line anytime a guy gets injured.

I don't see how he's there in the 3rd, not even sure he's there for our 2nd. Would be cool though...

[BmoreBird22]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was touting pocic really hard for the past year but I haven't been able to watch prospects this year so I calmed down that hype after hearing he was real shaky earlier in the year. I like his iq and his build and athleticism that suggests he can literally play any spot in a pinch. If we could land him in the 3rd even if he never becomes a full starter and plays as a quality backup to all positions, then it's a hell of a pick. A guy like that could allow us to NOT reshuffle the whole line anytime a guy gets injured.

Like Jacq said, I don't think he makes it out of the third. 

I was really worried about his height (and I think that lead to inconsistencies and scouts dropping him), but Matt Miller (who communicates with scouts and FO personnel a good bit) has had him solidly in the second for practically the entire season, so I'd have to imagine something changed for him in a major way.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I don't see how he's there in the 3rd, not even sure he's there for our 2nd. Would be cool though...

 

45 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Like Jacq said, I don't think he makes it out of the third. 

I was really worried about his height (and I think that lead to inconsistencies and scouts dropping him), but Matt Miller (who communicates with scouts and FO personnel a good bit) has had him solidly in the second for practically the entire season, so I'd have to imagine something changed for him in a major way.

I've seen him mocked in the 2nd and 3rd. I personally would take him 2nd round no problem. But if a guy like feeney or elflein Is there in the 2nd then I think that pocic could slide. Late 3rd though is unlikely for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

The thing I really like about this class is the fact that there are options for interior lineman throughout the first three rounds. Depth at positions of need for the ravens in this year's draft class benefits is tremendously. CB, OLD and interior OL are stacked from rounds 1-3 and we all know we need long term answers at all positions

Any suggestions on who the best trio could be?

Sidney Jones in the first And then one of elflein pocic or feeney if they're there in the 2nd would be a hell of a pair of picks. Then I like Cooper kupp a lot who could go late 3rd.

[BmoreBird22]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Sidney Jones in the first And then one of elflein pocic or feeney if they're there in the 2nd would be a hell of a pair of picks. Then I like Cooper kupp a lot who could go late 3rd.

I've been toggling around with this in my mind a lot because I think getting a pass rusher then CB is bigger than adding an interior lineman, depending on what happens with Wagner.

If the Ravens pick in that 15-24 range, I really like the idea of Lawson and Tankersley.

[hn68wb4]

12 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

 

The thing I really like about this class is the fact that there are options for interior lineman throughout the first three rounds. Depth at positions of need for the ravens in this year's draft class benefits is tremendously. CB, OLD and interior OL are stacked from rounds 1-3 and we all know we need long term answers at all positions

Any suggestions on who the best trio could be?

Obviously it's impossible to say but personally I'd want Sidney Jones - Dan Feeney and maybe packaging our two thirds to move back into the 2nd for whatever edge rusher has fallen down the board, to be honest I haven't watch a ton of guys outside the first few so I can't really say who'd be best in the 3rd an edge guy, but if we could move back into the second and grab a steal in Lawson then I'd take that in a heartbeat.

[JoeyFlex5]

22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I've been toggling around with this in my mind a lot because I think getting a pass rusher then CB is bigger than adding an interior lineman, depending on what happens with Wagner.

If the Ravens pick in that 15-24 range, I really like the idea of Lawson and Tankersley.

If we're between 15-18 I think we got a good shot of landing Barnett or williams who I think are better and safer options in the first. Lawson has been one of the most injured players in the nation in his college career.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we're between 15-18 I think we got a good shot of landing Barnett or williams who I think are better and safer options in the first. Lawson has been one of the most injured players in the nation in his college career.

Yeah, if we miss the playoffs and pick in that range, then it's Tim Williams all the way with Barnett as plan B.

Edited December 20, 2016 by RaineV1

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we're between 15-18 I think we got a good shot of landing Barnett or williams who I think are better and safer options in the first. Lawson has been one of the most injured players in the nation in his college career.

Miller had both going top 10 in his most recent mock, so I go off of those a bit.

[Jacquouille]

They're not being talked about a lot lately, but I'm putting McDowell and Justin Evans back on my radar. Even though none of thel is a pressing need, they both have an incredibly high ceiling. Evans particularly needs better tackling but for a guy slotted in the 2nd he has All Pro potential.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Miller had both going top 10 in his most recent mock, so I go off of those a bit.

I think Williams will rise and Barnett will fall. Barnett has some things on tape that I'm sure pro scouts don't like and I think his combine will knock him out of the top 10. I think he definitely goes in the teens though.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Williams will rise and Barnett will fall. Barnett has some things on tape that I'm sure pro scouts don't like and I think his combine will knock him out of the top 10. I think he definitely goes in the teens though.

I haven't seen much of Barnett. Can't remember if he was out againt VT, but that's where I'd have seen him.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I haven't seen much of Barnett. Can't remember if he was out againt VT, but that's where I'd have seen him.

Draftbreakdown has some reliable film of him. You can find what makes him attractive and what turns you away all in the same game. Hes on there timing a few snaps well, he took over a 2nd half with multiple sacks, hes made plays on the ball in the air, but he's also jumped offsides trying to jump the count, hes whiffed on a fair share of tackles, held the edge but then totally blew the assignment when it came time to shed and tackle. He's got a lot of good and a fair bit of bad. If he fell and we took him I wouldn't be mad at all, he probably could make a difference.