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[Cillmatic]

Desmond King looks great at CB but given the fact that we have Wright, Jimmy and Young I don't really see us going after him. We might very well take a C in the first round, I can't think of any other needs besides safety, I'd look into the Michigan guy Peppers but I think he'll be taken higher than we pick.

[BmoreBird22]

27 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Desmond King looks great at CB but given the fact that we have Wright, Jimmy and Young I don't really see us going after him. We might very well take a C in the first round, I can't think of any other needs besides safety, I'd look into the Michigan guy Peppers but I think he'll be taken higher than we pick.

Jabril Peppers is a very legit top 15 pick. I'd imagine Justin Evans, safety from Texas A&M actually looks like a possibility if he doesn't pick up too much steam.

[BmoreBird22]

I've said it before and will continue to say it, but Isaiah Ford from VT would be an awesome receiver for Flacco. The exact type of guy he likes.

[GrimCoconut]

31 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Desmond King looks great at CB but given the fact that we have Wright, Jimmy and Young I don't really see us going after him. We might very well take a C in the first round, I can't think of any other needs besides safety, I'd look into the Michigan guy Peppers but I think he'll be taken higher than we pick.

I wouldn't rule him out for us. We took Ed Reed when we had McAlister, Starks, Woodson iirc. We could easily get him if we like him enough. I think we'll go pass rusher personally but it could be safety. I like King as a Safety. I think it also depends on our turnovers 

[Jacquouille]

King's too small for my liking. Besides Jimmy we seem to only have small corners and if we're going CB I want a tall and physical one. 

If we're going S in the first (which I'd love), my guy would be Jamal Adams. Peppers will probably be long gone when we pick, so Adams is my pick. He's phenomenal and with proper teaching from Weddle and Webb he'll become special. If we pick really late, Eddie Jackson's a no brainer. 

[52520Andrew]

9 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I wouldn't rule him out for us. We took Ed Reed when we had McAlister, Starks, Woodson iirc. We could easily get him if we like him enough. I think we'll go pass rusher personally but it could be safety. I like King as a Safety. I think it also depends on our turnovers 

Yeah you can never rule anyone out with us due to position unless they are QB. 

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

King's too small for my liking. Besides Jimmy we seem to only have small corners and if we're going CB I want a tall and physical one. 

If we're going S in the first (which I'd love), my guy would be Jamal Adams. Peppers will probably be long gone when we pick, so Adams is my pick. He's phenomenal and with proper teaching from Weddle and Webb he'll become special. If we pick really late, Eddie Jackson's a no brainer. 

Matt Miller currently has Jamal Adams as a top 5 player on his big board and had him going eighth in a way too early mock.

Not sure he lasts until the Ravens are up. 

[GrimCoconut]

11 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

King's too small for my liking. Besides Jimmy we seem to only have small corners and if we're going CB I want a tall and physical one. 

If we're going S in the first (which I'd love), my guy would be Jamal Adams. Peppers will probably be long gone when we pick, so Adams is my pick. He's phenomenal and with proper teaching from Weddle and Webb he'll become special. If we pick really late, Eddie Jackson's a no brainer. 

I honestly think it may be better if Webb just does Webb and leaves the mentoring to Frazier and Weddle. Webb's having a hard enough time just covering guys out there on the field and making tackles and not losing his position to watch Crowell run past him and his buddy Wright while they rest on the field tasting grass and dirt. 

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Matt Miller currently has Jamal Adams as a top 5 player on his big board and had him going eighth in a way too early mock.

Not sure he lasts until the Ravens are up. 

Oh well. I saw him go top 20 in other mocks so I had hopes... But there are other options in this S class later, so we'll see. After the first two games, Pocic should be our guy anyway. 

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I honestly think it may be better if Webb just does Webb and leaves the mentoring to Frazier and Weddle. Webb's having a hard enough time just covering guys out there on the field and making tackles and not losing his position to watch Crowell run past him and his buddy Wright while they rest on the field tasting grass and dirt. 

Aha true!

[Ravenskid52752]

59 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Oh well. I saw him go top 20 in other mocks so I had hopes... But there are other options in this S class later, so we'll see. After the first two games, Pocic should be our guy anyway. 

Aha true!

Or Tyler Orlosky from West Virginia if we can't get Ethan. This guy Tyler check him out he gets movement in the run game, athletic as hell and he gets to the second level so easy. Matt miller wrote about him in his latest scout report. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Oh well. I saw him go top 20 in other mocks so I had hopes... But there are other options in this S class later, so we'll see. After the first two games, Pocic should be our guy anyway. 

Aha true!

I think I've seen a few analysts (not even just Miller) say Pocic is more of a second-third rounder due to being extremely inconsistent on a week to week basis. They recognize the first round potential if he could be at his best every week, but it doesn't seem he is.

Justin Evans is a safety to get to know for pick 20 and later.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Or Tyler Orlosky from West Virginia if we can't get Ethan. This guy Tyler check him out he gets movement in the run game, athletic as hell and he gets to the second level so easy. Matt miller wrote about him in his latest scout report. 

Alright, didn't know him thanks a bunch.

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think I've seen a few analysts (not even just Miller) say Pocic is more of a second-third rounder due to being extremely inconsistent on a week to week basis. They recognize the first round potential if he could be at his best every week, but it doesn't seem he is.

Justin Evans is a safety to get to know for pick 20 and later.

Yeah I did see some bad tape but it was against Bama so I didn't give it too much credit. It's really hard to evaluate a C, and not sure he's a great fit, but could be such a boost for our offense... 

Never watched Evans, will do for sure.

Btw Matt Miller had us taking Williams at 18. Wut 0_o

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

Alright, didn't know him thanks a bunch.

Yeah I did see some bad tape but it was against Bama so I didn't give it too much credit. It's really hard to evaluate a C, and not sure he's a great fit, but could be such a boost for our offense... 

Never watched Evans, will do for sure.

Btw Matt Miller had us taking Williams at 18. Wut 0_o

I don't usually even watch prospects from teams I don't watch regularly (so any non VT prospect) until after the season concludes, but that's just the buzz around Pocic.

You mean Mike Williams? Yeah, apparently scouts are still scared about his neck. Can't see that lasting long...

[Jacquouille]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't usually even watch prospects from teams I don't watch regularly (so any non VT prospect) until after the season concludes, but that's just the buzz around Pocic.

You mean Mike Williams? Yeah, apparently scouts are still scared about his neck. Can't see that lasting long...

No, Tim Williams. If we get Tim Williams in this draft, either we had a pretty bad season, either we traded the house, because you certainly don't see Williams last this long. Btw Mike Williams was taken at 20. Told you this draft class is off the charts 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

No, Tim Williams. If we get Tim Williams in this draft, either we had a pretty bad season, either we traded the house, because you certainly don't see Williams last this long. Btw Mike Williams was taken at 20. Told you this draft class is off the charts 

I think Mike Williams will end back in the top 10, but I've seen Tim Williams in that 15 or later range because of guys like Lawson, Garrett, and Allen as the top three. 

He actually recently had Tim Williams at 9 to Indy, meaning four edge rushers went in the top 10.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Mike Williams will end back in the top 10, but I've seen Tim Williams in that 15 or later range because of guys like Lawson, Garrett, and Allen as the top three. 

He actually recently had Tim Williams at 9 to Indy, meaning four edge rushers went in the top 10.

TBH I haven't watched a full tape of Williams, just some gifs for the moment. Wasn't really interested in a WR in the first round (will be, but later).

 

Not surprised by the "4 edge in the top10". It's a trend, and I have yet to watch all of them, but they clearly look talented. And Williams is a flat out freak, the type of dude you fear to go against all week. As a pass rusher prospect, he's on par with Von imo. That's how highly I think of him.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

TBH I haven't watched a full tape of Williams, just some gifs for the moment. Wasn't really interested in a WR in the first round (will be, but later).

 

Not surprised by the "4 edge in the top10". It's a trend, and I have yet to watch all of them, but they clearly look talented. And Williams is a flat out freak, the type of dude you fear to go against all week. As a pass rusher prospect, he's on par with Von imo. That's how highly I think of him.

I think Miller had it going Garrett, Allen, Lawson, then Williams. 

But he had like four or five other edge players going in the first, so this draft is deep in the first.

[rmw10]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

No, Tim Williams. If we get Tim Williams in this draft, either we had a pretty bad season, either we traded the house, because you certainly don't see Williams last this long. Btw Mike Williams was taken at 20. Told you this draft class is off the charts 

I wouldn't think that's too farfetched right now.  As good as Tim is, there are some concerns with how it translates to the NFL level.  He definitely doesn't have prototypical size for a 3-4 OLB.  He's one of my favorites though and I don't forsee that being a problem, but I can see how others might,

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Miller had it going Garrett, Allen, Lawson, then Williams. 

But he had like four or five other edge players going in the first, so this draft is deep in the first.

Yup, Smoot is also impressive, he's a horrible tackler but a tremendously gifted player.

 

48 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I wouldn't think that's too farfetched right now.  As good as Tim is, there are some concerns with how it translates to the NFL level.  He definitely doesn't have prototypical size for a 3-4 OLB.  He's one of my favorites though and I don't forsee that being a problem, but I can see how others might,

6'4 isn't undersized imo. He does lack weight despite looking so jacked though.

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yup, Smoot is also impressive, he's a horrible tackler but a tremendously gifted player.

 

6'4 isn't undersized imo. He does lack weight despite looking so jacked though.

Yeah it's the weight, not the height.  Pretty thin frame, although he's not Leonard Floyd thin.  That's why I think he'll work out, but I do understand where people who have that concern are coming from.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Yup, Smoot is also impressive, he's a horrible tackler but a tremendously gifted player.

 

6'4 isn't undersized imo. He does lack weight despite looking so jacked though.

Smoot and the DE from FSU are two I've recently been hearing first round buzz on if they can have good final years.

[Jacquouille]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Smoot and the DE from FSU are two I've recently been hearing first round buzz on if they can have good final years.

Walker is great also but I consider him as a top tier 3tech, not a really good edge rusher. Not sure the need is big but he's a very safe pick imo.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Walker is great also but I consider him as a top tier 3tech, not a really good edge rusher. Not sure the need is big but he's a very safe pick imo.

Like I said, I don't really watch players until after the season, but I'm not totally opposed to going to a 4-3 front, except that if Jernigan is breaking out, the Ravens already have a 3T

[rmw10]

45 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Like I said, I don't really watch players until after the season, but I'm not totally opposed to going to a 4-3 front, except that if Jernigan is breaking out, the Ravens already have a 3T

We're definitely playing a lot more 4-3 this year anyways.  Not often you see 3 big guys with their hand in the dirt so far this year.  Even when there are, it looks to be more of 4-3 under.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, rmw10 said:

We're definitely playing a lot more 4-3 this year anyways.  Not often you see 3 big guys with their hand in the dirt so far this year.  Even when there are, it looks to be more of 4-3 under.

I think that Leslie Frazier and Joe Cullen definitely have a hand in this one.

[Jacquouille]

Good observations, I also felt the same, which is something that I like. I still feel like we don't have that elite edge rusher anymore so I wouldn't mind taking one in the first. 

But in all honesty this class is overloaded with talent so I'd like to trade down and get as much picks as we can between the 30th and the 80th. Get a promising DB, an elite C and RB (praying for Wayne Gallman), some refresh at WR, and if possible one of the great Edge rushers. 

That would be a killer draft. 

Edited September 20, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Really looking to forward to seeing if Carl Lawson from Auburn can stay healthy this year

[Darhk_Raven]

On 9/20/2016 at 9:26 AM, Jacquouille said:

Good observations, I also felt the same, which is something that I like. I still feel like we don't have that elite edge rusher anymore so I wouldn't mind taking one in the first. 

But in all honesty this class is overloaded with talent so I'd like to trade down and get as much picks as we can between the 30th and the 80th. Get a promising DB, an elite C and RB (praying for Wayne Gallman), some refresh at WR, and if possible one of the great Edge rushers. 

That would be a killer draft. 

Why Gallman?

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, Darhk_Raven said:

Why Gallman?

Because he's my personnal favourite in this draft. We also may get a very good prospect for an extremely low Price, like Kareem Hunt or Shock Linwood, but Gallman is so impressive it's boring. I think he's not far behind the 4 Fantastic (Fournette, Chubb, Cook, McCaffrey) yet might be available in round3. 

As a player, he has unreal feet quickness for a guy of his size, and he looks like he's rushing without thinking, except he always rush in the best spot, which he sees without even "stop and go"ing. He always pick up YAC and is the epithomy of workhorse. He's a feature back that always makes something happen. 

[JoeyFlex5]

On 9/18/2016 at 0:42 PM, Jacquouille said:

King's too small for my liking. Besides Jimmy we seem to only have small corners and if we're going CB I want a tall and physical one. 

If we're going S in the first (which I'd love), my guy would be Jamal Adams. Peppers will probably be long gone when we pick, so Adams is my pick. He's phenomenal and with proper teaching from Weddle and Webb he'll become special. If we pick really late, Eddie Jackson's a no brainer. 

Isn't king 5'10"? Most of the high end dbs are between 5'10" and 6'. Big guys who move well enough to play cb in the NFL are rare because you can't press cover every single down at this level. Not to mention kings skillset makes for a very good looking FS, as a corner he only looks like the type to slide up into the slot on nickel downs and allow 2 other safeties to play deep.